# Which mens' journals? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 6, 2011, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-mens-journals/50632 "2011-06-06T19:25:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-mens-journals/50632/21 "2011-06-09T21:58:53Z")
I’ve always had the same troubles as you with dating, and there are a couple of books that I really wish I had known about and read a long time ago. **[All the Rules: Time-tested Secrets for Capturing the Heart of Mr. Right: Fein, Ellen, Schneider, Sherrie: 9780446618793: Amazon.com: Books](http://www.amazon.com/All-Rules-Time-tested-Secrets-Capturing/dp/0446618799/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307656458&sr=8-1)** > **[Why Men Love Bitches: From Doormat to Dreamgirl―A Woman's Guide to Holding Her...](https://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Love-Bitches-Relationship/dp/1580627560)** > > Why Men Love Bitches: From Doormat to Dreamgirl―A Woman's Guide to Holding Her Own in a Relationship \[Argov, Sherry\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. Why Men Love Bitches: From Doormat to Dreamgirl―A Woman's Guide to Holding Her... ---
**Author:** ![ScienceStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@ScienceStudent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScienceStudent)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-mens-journals/50632/22 "2011-06-10T02:48:47Z")
> [@Sillykitty](#): > > I’ve always had the same troubles as you with dating, and there are a couple of books that I really wish I had known about and read a long time ago. > > **[All the Rules: Time-tested Secrets for Capturing the Heart of Mr. Right](http://www.amazon.com/All-Rules-Time-tested-Secrets-Capturing/dp/0446618799/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307656458&sr=8-1)** > > [Why Men Love Bitches: From Doormat to Dreamgirl―A Woman's Guide to Holding Her Own in a Relationship: Argov, Sherry: 9781580627566: Amazon.com: Books](http://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Love-Bitches-Relationship/dp/1580627560/ref=pd_sim_b_3) I’ve heard about these, but I don’t think it’s in me to play games. I am learning to restrain my over-enthusiasm, but I LIKE being open and honest, and just admitting I like someone occasionally in a straightforward manner. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-mens-journals/50632/23 "2011-06-10T03:40:09Z")
They’re not games, it’s more about human nature and how it works. I’m honest about things too, but it’s sometimes (often) better not too “show your hand” too early, if you know what I mean. Another good book, along the same lines, is: [Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus: The Classic Guide to Understanding the Opposite Sex](http://www.amazon.com/Men-Mars-Women-Venus-Understanding/dp/0060574216/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307674614&sr=8-1) Books like these have really helped me. I always had the worst time with the guy thing, they just want sex right away, they’re not gentlemanly and respectful and they don’t want to wait as they should. I had just read “The Rules” when I met this super-hot guy who was 11 years younger than me. I decided to try them, just to see if it really worked, and how I would feel about doing this (I also didn’t like the idea of “games”). So, the first night we met (at a bar), we then went to another bar til closing, we got along great. When the evening was over, of course he wanted to sleep with me. I told him that I would love to, but that I didn’t just jump into bed with guys, and that I would love to get to know him better first. “And besides that”, I told him, “if I just jumped into bed with you right away, how would you know I don’t just jump into bed with any guy right away?” Because if you do go to bed with guys too soon, they will think ou do that with anyone, and will not respect you (I know this from experience!). He begged and pleaded (and I almost gave in, lol) but I stood my ground, and said that he could call me. I did not just give him my number (as one should not according to the book), but made him ask for it, which he did. Had he not asked me for my number, it would have shown me that he was not really interested in me, but only looking for a one night stand. I never called him, he had to call me, and I also kept the calls short. I did the 3 days before a date rule too, that is, a guy has to ask you no later than Wednesday for a Saturday date. If he asks Thursday or later, you have to say you already have plans or somesuch. This makes you appear as “higher value” because you obviously have other friends and things to do (even if you don’t). The three day wait also gives him time to build up more anticipation and excitement for the date. And never accept last-minute dates, as much as you want to. He fell madly in love with me, and I with him, and although I moved to a different state 5 years ago (job offer), he is still madly in love with me and I suspect he always will be. In implementing these “rules”, I found a greater understanding of the dynamics of relationships, and I also felt better about myself, I felt more respected, and that made me respect myself even more. Before I read these books and began to understand, I was really starting to wonder what was wrong with me, why I couldn’t seem to attract a decent guy to really love and to really love me, why didn’t they want to get to know me, why did they just want to have sex and that’s all. I knew I was attractive and intelligent, so why did this continue to happen? Even though guys “say” they like a woman to be forward and make the first move and all that, they really don’t, subconsciously. When a woman is too forward, they lose interest more quickly, and they tend to respect her less. Again, I know this from experience. This was also before I started using [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). Give the books a try, what do you have to lose? They changed my life and gave me a greater understanding, and it’s not games, it’s just a better understanding of the dynamics between men and women. ---
**Author:** ![ScienceStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@ScienceStudent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScienceStudent)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-mens-journals/50632/24 "2011-06-10T03:59:14Z")
Oh, well I do the things you mentioned here. Mostly I just _am_ busy. I am private so I don’t give out my phone number until I know someone at least a little. I don’t sleep with anyone on the first date, and I tell them that, even using your logic. I figured if they didn’t call me, they didn’t want more. Although I do call or message and thank them, usually indicating whether I’d be into repeating the fun (of doing something date-wise together). ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 9:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-mens-journals/50632/25 "2011-06-10T09:00:42Z")
> [@ScienceStudent](#): > > _swoons_ A, a, a number! … hey, wait a minute, what’s the rest of the equation? 😛 > > I once wrote down this T-shirt slogan for a fellow (male) math nerd, after there had been much flirting, touching, and smooching, mind you… > ∫e^x = f (u^n) > and he proceeded to attempt to solve it! 😮 > (It is complete mathematical blarney, by the way, and as such, unsolvable nonsense.) Sex = fun ?? Sounds like the most logical mathematical equation to me. 😛 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-mens-journals/50632.md?page=1)