# Who have the best GAME? **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [July 11, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-have-the-best-game/51182 "2011-07-11T20:05:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![altoplayer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/altoplayer/32/1313_2.png) [@altoplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/altoplayer)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-have-the-best-game/51182/1 "2011-07-11T20:05:30Z")
So We all know about mystery, or gambler and different style of game, I want know your oppinion who you like or recommend to study on? ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-have-the-best-game/51182/2 "2011-07-11T22:44:24Z")
Seriously, it would be hard to put a final judge on that. I believe that every PUA has his own style and the one that you can be most congruent too, is the one you feel like he’s going to be the best for you. Rarely when I see two EXACT game of two PUA. There are the similarities of course but one will focus more on phone game for example while the other is going to focus on body language. Carlos Xuma, Jon (sinns of attraction), Tyler from RSD, Mystery, Style, Lovedrop, Papa, Alex Coulson and Savoy are the ones I think are the best just because of their popularity though. ---
**Author:** ![slingblade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@slingblade](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/slingblade)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 1:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-have-the-best-game/51182/3 "2011-07-12T01:34:08Z")
Probably some actor, celebrity, or rock star LOL. Those guys don’t have to do anything. Everyone else is just trying to play “catch up.” ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-have-the-best-game/51182/4 "2011-07-12T06:44:01Z")
> [@altoplayer](#): > > So We all know about mystery, or gambler and different style of game, I want know your oppinion who you like or recommend to study on? Ultimately, the thing I did is I studied almost everyone’s school of thought and technique. Eventually I noticed where they were all basically saying the same thing after a while but in different ways. For example Mystery came up with the M3 Model, Savoy and Love Systems are actually an offshoot of Mysteries teachings. A lot of the same stuff, some different…same can be said of Neil “Style” Strauss and the “Rules of the Game”. Some guys from Australia run a company called Modern Man and they teach a strategy they call “The Flow” which when you look at it is really just a revised version of the M3 model, Advanced Dating Strategies teaches a similar method. Ultimately everyone listed above is teaching that the seduction process goes from opening, to attraction, to comfort, to seduction. They may reword what each stage is and try to say it’s a revolutionary idea but it really is just their own modification of the Mystery Method. For example Advanced Dating Strategies describes the 4 goals of game to be…in order You want her to pay attention to you (FOCUS) You want her to feel attraction for you (EMOTIONS) You want her to feel comfortable around you (RAPPORT) You want her to feel sexually turned-on by you (AROUSAL) And they talk about learning “the waypoint” to avoid overgaming…which means once you know “it’s on” stop teasing and playing cocky funny or you could blow yourself out. Not really a new concept as it’s basically microcalibration which Mystery Introduced years ago. Now the “revolutionary” system developed by “The Modern Man” is The Flow, in it they teach that your goals are to 1. Start an Interaction. (sounds like opening to me) 2. Spark Attraction. (uhhhh, attraction phase?) 3. Develop a Connection. (could be considered the same as comfort) 4. Take Things to the Next Level. (escalate to seduction/sex) Now, this is not to say that there is no value in trying more than one or even all of these. While they’re all essentially based on the same basic principles, it’s like being able to look at the same painting from different eyes and different angles. I like Rules of the Game because in the Mystery Method it’s a lot of theory and vague instructions on how to apply it. Rules of the Game gives you a 30 day plan of daily challenges/exercises to apply it. Modern Man has a good 30 day program that is a companion piece to their product “21 great ways to get a girlfriend” which is an audio program discussing strategies and techniques for applying “day game” which I found to be very good as most pickup concepts are taught from the angle of being applied in a club/bar scene…which is great…unless you’re not a big club hopper. This is filled with ways to strike up conversations with waitresses, women you meet in bookstores, a cute girl on your coed softball team etc. So they give you specific examples of applications beyond the nightclub scene. The problem with technique based game is that it doesn’t change you. The shit DOES work. I’ve seen guys that look like George Costanza from Seinfeld pulling 9’s using this stuff. Thing is, if you’re a 30 year old WOW addict with no job and living in your parents basement, you can attract and even seduce the girl…but in the end you’re still you and the chances of maintaining that attraction long enough to build a long term relationship are slim. Then you have your Inner Game guru’s.I’m a big fan of David Deangelo and Carlos Xuma. Actually I think they fall in some ways into more of a lifestyle game. They encourage changes in both thought and behavior that leads to becoming a more attractive man…in fact I think most women, if they watched or heard their stuff, would actually encourage more men to listen to these two guys. RSD is a lot of Inner Game, with some very vague techniques thrown in. I’m not a big fan. The problem with inner game is this. They’ll charge you a buttload of money for a real great pep talk where they tell you the same things your female friends have been saying all along. Be yourself and Be confident The problem is that confidence in your ability to do something, without actually knowing the techniques for doing it never works. It’s poor advice to give somebody that might be going for their first ever job interview. It’s poor advice to give a guy that’s never been in a fight but is going to have a match with a MMA fighter. I believe you need both. You have to have a skill set…AND you have to be confident IN that skill set. I’m not concerned about being fake, or disingenuous. All of my openers, lines, routines etc. are true. I’ve simply learned how to present them in conversation in a way that’s more interesting, and when it’s appropriate to bring up certain points. Is it forced behavior…at first, but so was speaking words once wasn’t it, learning to use a fork instead of your hand etc. ALL human behavior is learned behavior. When the technique’s are done often enough they become internalized and then you do them without even thinking about it or even knowing that you’re doing them…you are in essence being yourself. OH and Vin Dicarlo also has some good stuff. S-cubed and Dominant Sexual power contain a lot of good concepts as does the Attraction Code. He also created the Dicarlo Escalation Ladder that with a little work you can run concurrent with the M3 model. I also found ways to integrate aspects of his “No Flakes” and “Objection Game” into the various stages of the M3 model…objection game is good info and the techniques should be used before you get to the seduction stage. If you do them before, you reduce the chances of LMR. If you do them AT the seduction stage, especially when facing LMR they lose their value because now the girl thinks you’re saying these things just to convince her to have sex. No Flakes is about establishing enough value so that if all you get is a number close, the girl actually answers/returns your calls and texts. These techniques also can/should be used during the M3 Model. Gambler has some good stuff. His “stealth” material is gold. “Stealth Value” if you can pull it off is designed to create intrigue and attraction in the target before you even open set so you have much lower chance of getting blown out. ---
**Author:** ![giants52000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/958977/32.png) [@giants52000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/giants52000)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-have-the-best-game/51182/5 "2011-07-12T15:08:07Z")
FYI - This guy summed all of his learning of various PUAs into notes: [PUA NOTES: The Unfair Advantage](http://www.scribd.com/doc/11627399/PUA-NOTES-The-Unfair-Advantage) ---
**Author:** ![Jabez](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jabez/32/2193_2.png) [@Jabez](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jabez)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 4:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-have-the-best-game/51182/6 "2011-07-12T16:15:50Z")
Well that depends on what define as game and what aspect of game are we talking about? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 11:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-have-the-best-game/51182/7 "2011-07-13T23:03:30Z")
As always RAD has solid stuff there. Moved to lounge though 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![altoplayer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/altoplayer/32/1313_2.png) [@altoplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/altoplayer)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-have-the-best-game/51182/8 "2011-07-29T22:52:32Z")
sry about that, Ive been MIA for a while, been busy but yea I think there a lot of info to add to my game which i have none lol there a lot of people from Cali on this forum I wounder if we can form a PUA group for the Cali people… For a beginner like me, all this reading and watching videos and taking wont do me any good. I need real field exp if you know what im saying lol