# Who here has had formal 'Game' training? **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [November 5, 2010, 4:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975 "2010-11-05T04:17:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 4:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/1 "2010-11-05T04:17:21Z")
PUA’s, Dating Coaches, Love Doctors - whatever you want to call it these days there’s a lot of people on this board who talk about Game. Even the guides are categorized by attraction/comfort etc. So let’s take a poll and see who’s informally done what when it comes to the fine art of seducing the future ex. It’ll serve as a good gauge for what demographics benefit from phero’s as well. I’ll start things off. I’m newish to the phero world but after reading and now trying my first batch I can see why so many people love it. My first order = best money ever spent on any product. Though I have my doubts still I think it mostly works and I’m digging deeper. And for my ‘training’ I’ve been in and out of Game for a while now. I took a bootcamp several years ago (before it was popular) and was an instructor for a short while of one of the big players in the field (not going to say who obviously). I’ve been in/out of it for a while but the mad scientist in me can’t help but surmise how deadly the correct combinations of Game and Phero’s can be. Obviously I’m here to perform said experiments. Also I’m into world peace, rescuing children from burning houses, and long walks on the beach. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/2 "2010-11-05T04:21:37Z")
2 seminars, 1 actual bootcamp, given the current prices online officially about 2 thousand dollars worth of books, audio and video lessons on my HD. Never charged for coaching but have done so informally for a few family, friends and friends of friends with success using an integration of the M3 model with a few other techniques and strats that I consider compatible with them. ---
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 4:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/3 "2010-11-05T04:23:51Z")
Ha ha nice. That would explain all the racy stories I’ve seen so far. I a bit younger and prob a bit brasher in my general approach but I’ll definitely have to try out your threesome mixes 😮 ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 4:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/4 "2010-11-05T04:42:04Z")
I have had formal training, and read a lot of books. But that was a long time ago. Got into the community for a short while before I got married. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 5:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/5 "2010-11-05T05:17:12Z")
7 replies and only 3 posters including the OP? ---
**Author:** ![forynav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@forynav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/forynav)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 5:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/6 "2010-11-05T05:57:58Z")
I’ve read a bit and sarged a bit. I have done mostly day game in the malls and on the streets. Night times, I get too busy dancing to care for sarging but have met some girls like that too. The only cold approach lay I have had was in Lithuania, but I didn’t really game much. She was just fascinated by India 😃 I haven’t been in the field in the US, right now busy with other things. I’ll find a lair soon and start my game back up mones-enhanced! 😮 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/7 "2010-11-05T17:23:43Z")
Off topic so I moved it down to the lounge, but responded to the poll as a Kung Fu Jedi 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![alessio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@alessio](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alessio)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/8 "2010-11-05T19:59:37Z")
i dont even know what you are talking about and i would like to know a bit more… could you give me some links ecc? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/9 "2010-11-05T20:28:42Z")
I pretty much have read most books, at least the ones not regurgitated over and over, which unfortunately is most now a days. I’ve hung out with David DeAngelo, Alex Allman, Blitz (TMM), Romeo, Valentino, Garrison Cohen, Asian Playboy, Jason Adams (TMM), Style, and a slew of others. Gone out with most of them in the field and had just connected with them. Never paid anyone for that, but just met them and got along. They taught me stuff 😛. The most important lesson I have ever taken out of all this is to be myself and appreciate what I have to offer. Leave every interaction with more value than I arrived. Smile and be happy. I’ve taught guys, but the best thing about teaching someone is actually learning from them. Yes you read that right, learn from those you are teaching. To learn you must first become the teacher, to teach you must first become the student. Life is fun, so enjoy it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![forynav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@forynav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/forynav)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 1:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/10 "2010-11-06T01:43:09Z")
Cool stuff, Steve. My interests lie more in the natural side - Vin, Zan, Juggler. How was Garrison? Personally, I don’t find all that “present” as Decker. But hey, I’m watching him in a video. 😃 Have you dabbled with AMP? ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 8:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/11 "2010-11-06T20:17:59Z")
I never had game training for my game has been all natural. I’m guessing that the game applies to westernized culture and not things in Asia, although there could be some useful components ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/12 "2010-11-06T23:26:27Z")
> [@forynav](#): > > Cool stuff, Steve. My interests lie more in the natural side - Vin, Zan, Juggler. > > How was Garrison? Personally, I don’t find all that “present” as Decker. But hey, I’m watching him in a video. 😃 > > Have you dabbled with AMP? Yeah I read stuff from Vin, Zan and Juggler and the latter two are amazing. Haven’t gotten too much into Vin just yet. I look for the knowledge, but I’ve only really “gotten into” Pickup 101, TMM, social dynamics by Tyler D. I’d say I’m a TMM guy when it comes right down to it. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/13 "2010-11-07T00:31:06Z")
I studied a little of the venusian stuff at one of their seminars… no I don’t bother picking up women for sex but I constantly enjoy “opening sets”… i.e. starting conversations for the fun of it… I like having zero sex pressure b/c this keeps it simple… asking for advice or opinions is a great general way to go…🙄 ---
**Author:** ![forynav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@forynav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/forynav)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2010, 1:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/14 "2010-11-07T01:41:50Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Yeah I read stuff from Vin, Zan and Juggler and the latter two are amazing. Haven’t gotten too much into Vin just yet. I look for the knowledge, but I’ve only really “gotten into” Pickup 101, TMM, social dynamics by Tyler D. > > I’d say I’m a TMM guy when it comes right down to it. Juggler is just a regular guy who has excellent conversation skills, I like his style. Very simple. Zan - while I enjoy his seminars and all that, I dunno how practical it is. I mean, he is tall and handsome and can pull that off ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2010, 6:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/who-here-has-had-formal-game-training/189975/15 "2010-11-07T06:11:07Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Yeah I read stuff from Vin, Zan and Juggler and the latter two are amazing. Haven’t gotten too much into Vin just yet. I look for the knowledge, but I’ve only really “gotten into” Pickup 101, TMM, social dynamics by Tyler D. > > I’d say I’m a TMM guy when it comes right down to it. Some of Vin’s stuff can actually be incorporated into the M3 model quite well, especially his S-cubed system. “Having a Grand Vision” can very easily be considered an attraction switch in the M3 context and approached as such. Demonstrating that your vision is more important to you than the woman should be viewed as a DHV. Describing your vision with the woman in the scenario can be considered “Future Pacing” which is a common Comfort Phase tactic. Likewise the Dicarlo Escalation Ladder can be broken down and run concurrently with the various phases of the M3 model as appropriate. Then Objection Game tactics can be spread out through the various phases to address issues that could lead to LMR BEFORE LMR occurs. Example: A common fear is that a guy will become an obsessed stalker type. This would best be addressed in A2 (Female to Male Attraction) in a manner like this (say in a light joking manner) “Hey you’re not one of those girls that gets obsessed with a guy right after meeting him are you, cause you look pretty tough and if you went stalker on me I’d be a little scared” This hits three angles By implying that SHE might be the type to get obsessed she’ll logically assume you’re not. You also subtly imply that YOU are the type of guy to become obsessed over. IE a DHV. Calling her tough is a total Neg, women equate tough with masculine and now she’s wondering if you think she’s a little butch. Other aspects can be addressed at different stages depending on what they are but should be pretty much covered before LMR comes up. Addressing her concerns AFTER she feels LMR only makes your attempts seem insincere and desperate. Yeah…I’ve spent a lot of time breaking down almost every school of game I came across and figured out where they agree, disagree and are compatible with each other.