# Why aren't TUTH and IFM bringing the spark back to my 22-year marriage? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 6, 2007, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161 "2007-12-06T05:07:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kusro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f05b48/32.png) [@Kusro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kusro)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/1 "2007-12-06T05:07:44Z")
Greetings to all you phero experts and enthusiasts! I have been reading and enjoying all your great posts, advises and experiences for several weeks. After reading the stickies for the newbies I thought [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) and Turn Up The Heat is what I needed for my mission, I may have been wrong. ☹ Ok now for a slight intro, I am male, 46 going to 47 soon, in feb 😃 blood group 0+, middle eastern. I have been married for 22 years blissfully, with its normal ups and downs. What I really want is to bring that oomph back into sex. Things have sort of cooled down as the years have gone, with the ever decreasing frequency of love making. I was so happy with the arrival of my Androtics package, thanks Jasmin for super fast dhl delivery. I had started with one spray of Instant Female Magic to see what kind of response I would get from my better half, it went unnoticed. The first day i applied that one spray on my neck I had a splitting headache for a few hours. Second day I applied 3 sprays in different areas, and I noticed she was feeling sort of sympathetic/romantic a bit, praising me for things I did for her, even thanking me for being who I have been. In the next two days I started adding Turn Up The Heat the time I was getting into bed. From 1 to 2 sprays I didnt sense any changes from her. After reading more on the forum, I now feel probably instant honesty and Ammunition should have been better choices to start with probably. So Ladies and gentleman, I need your advise. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/2 "2007-12-06T10:03:24Z")
Hmm so your saying the Turn Up The Heat dosnt seem to do much for her. This surprises me. I would guess due to your age you may need a bit more then 2 sprays so try that first. How many times have your tried it? Seems to take a bit longer with a persons SO because they know your natural pheromone signature. They sense a change in it and start to wonder “ok whats going on” why do I suddenly feel this way. Then all of a sudden they dont care and just go with the feeling. Took me about a week to see some kind of results with the regular products around my husband. Took me a whole month to get copulins to work because I was not using enough for my age. Instant honesty will get her talking which could lead to more sex but it will not bring on a sexual reaction on its own. Ammo is always good. The Androstenone is buffered by 3 other pheromones so its usually a little less sexual then Turn Up The Heat but maybe she needs the presence of the other pheromones. Is it normal for her to initiate sex ? If not she could be riled up but waiting for you to make your move. pheromones wont overcome all personality traits. If you think this is the case then I would try using the Instant Honesty and then telling her gently that you would like if she would intiate more. > [@](#): > > Second day I applied 3 sprays in different areas, and I noticed she was feeling sort of sympathetic/romantic a bit, praising me for things I did for her, even thanking me for being who I have been. In the next two days I started adding Turn Up The Heat the time I was getting into bed. From 1 to 2 sprays I didnt sense any changes from her. Thats is what [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) does if she is not a bitch normally. Its subtle and makes them kind of lovey. Now when you say adding TUTH did you apply the Instant Female Magic and the TUTH at the same time or did you wear the IFM all day then at night before bed add Turn Up The Heat? If you did wear it all day try applying them at the same time and see what happens. Also can you tell us a little about your wifes personality. Maybe we can pick up on something that will indicate which product may be more helpful. Has she initiated sex alot in the earlier years of your marriage? Is she receptive to sex when you initiate? Does she seem to be in a sort of funk, As women age they can go through periods when they just dont feel attractive or sexy. Men do as well. Its not your fault its just a normal part of aging I guess. Does she know you use pheromones because Instant sexiness may do wonders for her if she is feeling in a rut. If she dosnt maybe you can buy some Instant sexiness and one of those pretty glass atomzors with the bulb sprayer on them and fill that up with the Instant Sexiness then maybe add something that will match the scent well like Happy from clinque and tell her you had a scent made for her and give it to her for christmas. I tell ya this is why I am so glad that Androtics makes the small to-go bottles because different people need different products to get there blood flowing and the price of trying everything in a big product size could be staggering. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Kusro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f05b48/32.png) [@Kusro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kusro)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 4:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/3 "2007-12-08T04:23:03Z")
Hey Tisha thanks for the reply and your insights! > [@](#): > > How many times have your tried it? I have used it three days in a row, starting with one, two and three sprays in the neck, foreams and on the chest. > [@](#): > > Is it normal for her to initiate sex ? It has become less and less in the last 5 years. > [@](#): > > Now when you say adding Turn Up The Heat did you apply the Instant Female Magic and the Turn Up The Heat at the same time or did you wear the Instant Female Magic all day then at night before bed add Turn Up The Heat? I applied both of them together in different areas. Initially I had only tried [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) alone. > [@](#): > > Also can you tell us a little about your wifes personality. Maybe we can pick up on something that will indicate which product may be more helpful. > Has she initiated sex alot in the earlier years of your marriage? Is she receptive to sex when you initiate? She is petit, 5’ 3’’ about 110 lbs, O+ blood group. She is very attractive, health concious, exercises twice a week in the gym, although she is 43 and has had 5 children, many people mistake her to be in early 30s. She is slightly obsessed with personal hygiene and a very clean environment. She would easily sense a change of smell in me or in the room if it happened. I feel she used to initiate sex much more then she does now. The frequency of sex has decreased a lot. I still find her as attractive as I did when we got to know each other. Do you think it could be something of a hormonal change that may be causing loss of libido in her part? I was thinking of the Raw Dirty, would that do the trick? Last afternoon I had a chance of trying to put one spray of Turn Up The Heat in my palm before applying the massage oil which i used to massage her back. She later asked what massage oil did I use which she commented smelled tropical like. It probably required more than one spray to get any effect. ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 4:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/4 "2007-12-08T04:32:50Z")
Kusro were you turned down or not make an attempt? From my own experiences wearing such a strong signal needs you to back it up. If you’re not talking to her about it the chances are very likely she was aroused and is wondering why you didn’t initiate too. I know that if I wear androstenone I can become frustrated very easily when I’m not getting what I want. ---
**Author:** ![Kusro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f05b48/32.png) [@Kusro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kusro)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 9:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/5 "2007-12-08T09:39:06Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > Kusro were you turned down or not make an attempt? > > From my own experiences wearing such a strong signal needs you to back it up. If you’re not talking to her about it the chances are very likely she was aroused and is wondering why you didn’t initiate too. I know that if I wear androstenone I can become frustrated very easily when I’m not getting what I want. Inkling I tried to get close and be playful but she didnt seem to get in the mood for sex. ---
**Author:** ![Kusro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f05b48/32.png) [@Kusro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kusro)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 9:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/6 "2007-12-08T09:41:30Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > Kusro were you turned down or not make an attempt? > > From my own experiences wearing such a strong signal needs you to back it up. If you’re not talking to her about it the chances are very likely she was aroused and is wondering why you didn’t initiate too. I know that if I wear androstenone I can become frustrated very easily when I’m not getting what I want. Inkling I tried to get close and be playful but she didnt seem to get in the mood for sex. If i were to order To Go sizes of several other products to run trials which would be good ones for me to try in this mission? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/7 "2007-12-08T11:26:36Z")
Hmmm I think it could be hormonal, She could be pre menopausal which will effect some womens libido. Have you tried talking about it, there are alot of herbs and such at the health food store that can help with that. She is health consious and you both seem to have a great relationship so I would use that approuch as well as pheromones. > [@](#): > > I know that if I wear androstenone I can become frustrated very easily when I’m not getting what I want. LOL I agree but normally if I am wearing it I will take what I want. 😃 > [@](#): > > I was thinking of the Raw Dirty, would that do the trick? Raw Dirty ?? I think you are confusing Raw Power and Dirty. Dirty has cops in it. I think unless she knows your wearing pheromones its not a good choice for you. If she picks up on the cops in the mix and they are not her cops of course you could end up in the dog house. Raw Power is a whole lot of Androstenone 😃 10mcg per drop in oil. Not to be used around kids or when going out. Could be useful for your situation but it dosnt come in a to-go so I tend to not recommend it before people can get Turn Up The Heat to work for them. Frankly try upping you dose of TUTH a little first before buying that. Another option is to get some socials. They come in to-go sizes so they are good for testing and sometimes I think they are underated in there ability to get a sexual situation going. Try Instant shine, and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/). Instant shine is a youthful uplifting mix. Hey 5 kids she may need some upliftment. 😃 Dont get me wrong I applaud you both. I have 2 😉 IH can give off a more intimate vibe, women like that. Now if you pinky swear that you will come back and give a in depth report you can try one of the advanced P83. I am finding it makes me flirty and seductive so worn by you it may have the same effect on her. Kitten is finding simular effects. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 12:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/8 "2007-12-08T12:54:59Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > LOL I agree but normally if I am wearing it I will take what I want. 😃 LOL I can take what I want any day. If I’m all dosed up I’m influencing him to react and if I’m wearing androstenone that always backfires because he doesn’t react as quickly as I do. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 1:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/9 "2007-12-08T13:44:58Z")
> [@Kusro](#): > > Do you think it could be something of a hormonal change that may be causing loss of libido in her part? Yes. Testosterone in a woman is necessary for libido, and estrogen is necessary to keep her testosterone receptors functional. Either or both can be supplemented in perimenopause to restore sexual function. For more information on menopause and perimenopause you can go to [powersurge.com](http://powersurge.com). In the meantime, herbal supplements of damiana can increase arousal (not so much libido). Estrogenic herbs like Dong Quai and Black Cohosh can help generally if low estrogen is a factor. Androstenone-containing [pheromones](https://a314.com/) worn by you might trigger more arousal in her though they may also make her irritable, as mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2007, 1:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/10 "2007-12-08T13:51:34Z")
Carrie you have a plethra of great info \<\<\<\<\<\<\<\<\< did I spell that right LOL 😃 Reps to you, now I must check out that site as I am sure menapause is not far off for me ☹ Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Kusro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f05b48/32.png) [@Kusro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kusro)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 4:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/11 "2007-12-09T04:29:54Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Raw Dirty ?? > > I think you are confusing Raw Power and Dirty. > > Dirty has cops in it. I think unless she knows your wearing pheromones its not a good choice for you. If she picks up on the cops in the mix and they are not her cops of course you could end up in the dog house. True got confused there tish, I dont want to end up in the dog house. :o > [@](#): > > Instant shine is a youthful uplifting mix. Hey 5 kids she may need some upliftment. 😃 Dont get me wrong I applaud you both. I have 2 😉 Thanks. > [@](#): > > Now if you pinky swear that you will come back and give a in depth report you can try one of the advanced P83. I am finding it makes me flirty and seductive so worn by you it may have the same effect on her. Kitten is finding simular effects. > Tisha 😃 I would love to try the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) tish, I will surely report back my findings! > [@carrie](#): > > Yes. Testosterone in a woman is necessary for libido, and estrogen is necessary to keep her testosterone receptors functional. Either or both can be supplemented in perimenopause to restore sexual function. > > For more information on menopause and perimenopause you can go to [powersurge.com](http://powersurge.com). > > In the meantime, herbal supplements of damiana can increase arousal (not so much libido). Estrogenic herbs like Dong Quai and Black Cohosh can help generally if low estrogen is a factor. > > Androstenone-containing pheromones worn by you might trigger more arousal in her though they may also make her irritable, as mentioned. Thanks carrie, will look at the link. I will also try to bring up the subject with her as well. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 5:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/12 "2007-12-09T17:07:32Z")
Okay. Here’s my three cents for what they’re worth. Save the [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) for when she’s super cranky. Save the Turn Up the Heat for when you know for sure you’re about to get some. Day to day, wear Ammo and according to your taste, supplement with Instant Honesty and Instant Shine. Might want to try some A314 as a special treat as well. Next, concentrate on re-seducing your wife. This is a major project and sex does not start in the bedroom. You want to flirt with her and tease her in the living room, kitchen, car, everywhere. _Without_ immediate expectations of sex. Let her be the frustrated horny one for a while. Then put your brain to work on coming up with places and contexts where it could happen. If you continue to wear your pheromones, show intense interest as well as patience, she’ll warm up again. All the best, Kitten ---
**Author:** ![Felicity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@Felicity](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Felicity)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/13 "2007-12-09T18:43:47Z")
Further to what Tish and Kitten have said, I’d like to point something out. Instant female magic is for making women comfortable, turn up the heat is for when something might be underway. What you are missing is the bit in the middle. I’m not experienced enough to guide you here on specific products, but whatever you use should be appropriate for that middle ground. You might also want to think a bit about what attracted her to you in the first place. There is probably a chemical to emphasize it. ---
**Author:** ![Kusro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f05b48/32.png) [@Kusro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kusro)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2007, 9:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-arent-tuth-and-ifm-bringing-the-spark-back-to-my-22-year-marriage/7161/14 "2007-12-11T09:38:33Z")
Thank you felicity. I have just placed an order for the following to go sizes: Instant Shine [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) Ammunition and a full size of P83 (probably still at Steve0 and tisha’s mercy, whether I will be given an advanced product or not) Please, please! > [@](#): > > Okay. Here’s my three cents for what they’re worth. Save the Instant Female Magic for when she’s super cranky. Save the Turn Up the Heat for when you know for sure you’re about to get some. > > Day to day, wear Ammo and according to your taste, supplement with Instant Honesty and Instant Shine. Might want to try some A314 as a special treat as well. > > Next, concentrate on re-seducing your wife. This is a major project and sex does not start in the bedroom. You want to flirt with her and tease her in the living room, kitchen, car, everywhere. _Without_ immediate expectations of sex. Let her be the frustrated horny one for a while. Then put your brain to work on coming up with places and contexts where it could happen. If you continue to wear your pheromones, show intense interest as well as patience, she’ll warm up again. > > All the best, > Kitten Thanks Kitten, i think the IS and Instant Honesty will get us talking more and make it easier for me to start the romancing, flirting game afresh.