# Why do pheromone hits with Ammo and P79 flake afterwards? **URL:** \ **Category:** Really Awesome Social Awareness Training\ **Created:** [April 10, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446 "2008-04-10T22:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/1 "2008-04-10T22:54:57Z")
for me, tis is the part of wearing this stuff i cant understand. “how can the girl appear so attracted to me, and then flake on me every time i try 2 meet up again?”…especially with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and now with p79, seemingly brilliant hits,…ON THE NIGHT…and thats it! this 1 girl really did seem to succumb to a IS/p79 mix,…this was 1 month ago and haven’t seen her since. its actually for me becoming a bit disillusioning. its a repeated phenomena with me…that its like i need to “seal the deal” then and there, or i won’t get another chance. the ones ive tried with memorablity r IFM, 203, 103 and maybe a314. this is an important issue 4 those guys looking 4 more than pick - ups and 1 night stands. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 11:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/2 "2008-04-10T23:56:58Z")
Hmmm..I can relate to this. Hell, it’s happened to me without [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). If I had to say one thing about it, I’d say this. Pheromones are great for getting your foot in the door. Once its in there, it’s up to you to make the most of it. Give the girl something more concrete or significant to remember you by than just being attracted to you. Attraction comes and goes. If you can make a lasting impact then you’ll be remembered, even if you had a negative impact. So make that your goal. Leave marks on their heart and they will have difficulty forgetting you. Just..well..be nice and leave nice marks on their hearts, yea? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/3 "2008-04-11T00:37:57Z")
Ain’t really a [pheromone](https://a314.com/) problem but one of socialization overwhelming biology. Before I used pheros I used to “flake” on women all the time. The little brain is in control during the heat of the moment. However when I have a little time to think about it (or sober up), I realize she’s not worth a little honey on the stinger and flee. Women are no different in this respect. ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/4 "2008-04-11T00:39:24Z")
It might not entirely be the pheromones. Whilst pheromones have that “Why did I have sex with that person?” the next morning capability, you need to look at yourself as the issue. I’ve never experienced such problems personally. If I gauge enough interest in a woman for her to want to see me again she’s eager to see me again. Women like their head games. Sometimes they aren’t always truthful either. Maybe she found somebody better? Maybe she has a bf? Married? Perhaps she’s a cock tease? Certain women like to raise their self esteem by toying and teasing a guy that’s attracted to them. Pheromones can help you while you’re with a chick in person, but when you’re on the phone they aren’t under the influence. Perhaps you’re screwing up your phone game. ---
**Author:** ![E\_J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@E\_J](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/E_J)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/5 "2008-04-11T00:42:12Z")
Bro it is all about game, nothing to do about the phero’s. She is attracted to you mostly because of yourself and partly because of the pheros, remember that. 2nd Make her feel good and associate that feeling with you, but make her feel safe, if i had to make a guess I’d probably say you are meeting them at bars / clubs. If I am right this is soooo normal because some women don’t like to “hook up” at these kinds of places, in fact I would guess 95% of women will tell you they don’t go to bars to meet men. So this is where you play it smart. You have pheros you have an advantage! First make them feel safe (from you), you do this by saying stuff like “mmm looks like you would make a great friend” DO NOT ACT like a friend just say it. If she says something you don’t like oir pretend not to like you say stuff like: “you and I would never get along!”. Second, if you get to kiss her do not let it go further (unless you are sure you can sleep with her that night) cause if you do she will feel that in the follow up the only thing you are looking for is sex. Third get her phone + email when calling doesn’t work use email. And don’t ask her out on a date jsut say: me and my friends are … you should join us" or “I am going to go shopping for a new shirt want to help me pick one up?” etc. Allow 1at least 36-72 hours for calling after you got her phone. Hope I helped, good luck and have fun ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 2:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/6 "2008-04-11T14:20:48Z")
so i could for instance, totally drive a girl wild through a potent p83 or none mix,…so she could be lookin’ at me with them dreamy eyes and all puppy dog like…and then i never hear from 'em again? i think that [pheromone research](https://pheromonelabs.com/) should focus on the most empathic/ connector mixes possible…while remaining manly and sexual too. the goal should be a girl meets a guy wearing a killer “love, not lust” mix, the guy has little game, … ive had this with IFM based mixes only - IS/IFM base with either IO or IH..similiarly, potent IH does so much more to make Ammo memorable. im waiting for the potent mix. im really thinking EST here. u want the girl to not just be horny, u want them to get all dreamy and crushy. remember and be overwhelmed by him in the future…i believe this is where IH, EST, IFM, p93 can come into there own…i mean, how many giuys do girls meet that they can feel they truly bond or have a connection with? ---
**Author:** ![galydrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/galydrum/32/5181_2.png) [@galydrum](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/galydrum)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 2:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/7 "2008-04-11T14:45:14Z")
I have an order of EST on its way. I was interested in it for the same reason, since EST seems to be the “emotional bonding” pheromone. Mix that with a bit of P83 or -none, and you could have something special. Check out Tater’s journal. He swears by high-concentrate EST mixes. E J is right though. You gotta be on your game. Read the Mystery Method book for the basics. BTW, this is coming from a “friendship or serious relationships only” guy who has no interest in casual sexual encounters. It simply does not jive with my devoutly Christian lifestyle. But there is something to the Mystery Method and DeAngelo’s C&F that can really inform and help with the first two without necessarily having to lead to the third. So it’s all what you make of it. ---
**Author:** ![Godhand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/godhand/32/2378_2.png) [@Godhand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Godhand)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 4:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/8 "2008-04-11T16:20:13Z")
I agree with the majority of people who’ve already commented. Its a game issue rather than a pheromone issue. Also, if you slow yourself down more than her, it nullifies any flaking she might do. ---
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 4:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/9 "2008-04-11T16:33:26Z")
My two cents. We raise a man’s self esteem because we want to be liked. We flake on you because we’re involved/in love with someone else. OR because we he’s a only there for ahem. If it’s only for ahem, you’re not on the priority list. There is more to a woman’s desires than her libido. Once, I had to break free from this massive chemistry bond with someone else. Met someone new. He WAS cute so I was honest about it. Then he acted like he wanted me badly. That spells desperation. It did not make me less in love with the other or more in love with him. Massive Chemistry Bond = Trouble = Oh no my body is taking over = I need to step back to see if there is more to this. If only chemistry and I fall for him, I may get hurt. \ If you have a sorry reputation she will hurt you first to prevent herself getting played. That come forms of avoiding you or messing with your mind or filling her schedule with other men. If she genuinely likes you and feels safe with you, she won’t play those kinds of games with you. If it’s missing one…your on the gaming list. We don’t even know we do this to tell you the truth. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/10 "2008-04-11T16:53:24Z")
Look at it this way, Something like Turn Up The Heat or AMMO with cause arousal in a women. You will notice hits from some and others will repress the urge for whatever reason. Prehaps they are involved with someone already or somthing. Maybe they just dont feel they connected with you which is a big one for women. Remember men really dont need to connect to have sex or enter a relationship. Women on the other hand do 95% of the time. Are you using anything to get over that last hurdle and give of a calming trusting connected feeling? Instant Gentleman, Instant Honesty, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) even Instant Openness or Instant Shine will help. EST effects men differently then women, we dont feel close and cuddly from it. We feel protective and motherly. Men get cuddly and attentive. Probably because its the pregnacy pheromone. I think alot of guys run into the this problem because what turns them on and causes attraction isnt what turns us on or makes us attract. Yes I know the socials are not as exciting sounding as the sexual pheromones but they complete the circle and those are what pushes you over from the “Hey he is a sexy interesting kind of guy” To "Goddddd he makes me so hot, Back off bitch he is mine " 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 5:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/11 "2008-04-11T17:27:31Z")
> [@She seems hooked on the night, then flakes: pheromone attraction that doesn't last](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/she-seems-hooked-on-the-night-then-flakes-pheromone-attraction-that-doesnt-last/10969/9): > > If you have a sorry reputation she will hurt you first to prevent herself getting played. I’ve seen that before. Sucks, but it’s true. I’ve even seen girls go and cheat just to make sure she wasn’t the one being ditched. As usual, the ladies, Tisha and sugarspice, provide more insight than we can provide ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/12 "2008-04-11T22:54:37Z")
[https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/3](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509) Tacitus: I deliberately leave out the alpha-androstenol bcause it is the most purely romantic of all the pheromones… definitely add in Alpha Androstenol for any sexmix… if you put any sort of Alpha Androstenol in a “first contact” mix, you can get an abreaction… **they go into self doubting, self critical mode after, and may actually want MORE distance next time… any social thing that comes on too strong, goes too far too fast, and doesn’t make emotional sense IS going to activate the frontal cortex of the brain which will want to know WHY am I feeling all this warm fuzzy stuff ???** ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/13 "2008-04-11T23:51:24Z")
. . . Yeah. Every other day, this girl that sits in front of me in psychology will say things like “Oh, \*\*\*\*\*\*\*, you’re my favorite”, “Oh, \*\*\*\*\*\*\*, I love you”, it’s like I’m taking her on an emotional rollercoaster. But the days that she doesn’t say anything, she’s just silent most of the time and distant unless I do a little kino to prod things along 😃. BTW, she is a semi-alpha lady. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 5:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/14 "2008-04-12T05:15:50Z")
[Attraction versus Value - Woodhaven - Pick Up and Seduction Database](http://www.bristollair.com/inner-game/understanding/attraction-versus-value.html) Flaking Sucks. Have you ever been in a club, ran a tight fucking set, had girls laughing, touching you and had their complete attention on you all night long?? Ever had those same girls flake? If you answered yes, then read on my friend, that is what this post is all about! 🙂 What you did was create massive amounts of surface attraction. But there are two important properties to surface attraction which work against you. Firstly, it is temporary and state based. It goes away when you do. Secondly, it is resisted because to the girls, it is a familiar unempowering emotional response. If you create a ton of surface attraction in the club, take a number and then go home… I guarantee you have a flake on your hands. Flaking is the result of excess attraction combined with a lack of value. Simple and predictable. The only way to win a completely attraction-based game is to lay back completely, give her YOUR number and let her chase you, since any chasing on your part will dissipate her attraction to you. Likewise if you have lost a lot of value for some reason, if she discovered that you misrepresented your value, you cannot chase her to regain it. The attitude must be “Hey, I am who I am, take it or leave it.” ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/15 "2008-04-12T16:25:14Z")
> [@She seems hooked on the night, then flakes: pheromone attraction that doesn't last](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/she-seems-hooked-on-the-night-then-flakes-pheromone-attraction-that-doesnt-last/10969/1): > > … this is an important issue 4 those guys looking 4 more than pick - ups and 1 night stands. > [@She seems hooked on the night, then flakes: pheromone attraction that doesn't last](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/she-seems-hooked-on-the-night-then-flakes-pheromone-attraction-that-doesnt-last/10969/6): > > … > the goal should be a girl meets a guy wearing a killer “love, not lust” mix, the guy has little game, … > > …i mean, how many giuys do girls meet that they can feel they truly bond or have a connection with? From another perspective, if you are looking for a deeper bond, you might forget about “game.” Relax, and try to enjoy the people you’re with without an objective to the interaction. Many of them will have other relationships or reasons of their own for not following up in the future. However, the situation will be ripe for the time when a special person with whom you connect well is in the right space. Then things can develop beautifully without effort or coersion from either side. ---
**Author:** ![galydrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/galydrum/32/5181_2.png) [@galydrum](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/galydrum)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/16 "2008-04-12T16:45:32Z")
> [@She seems hooked on the night, then flakes: pheromone attraction that doesn't last](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/she-seems-hooked-on-the-night-then-flakes-pheromone-attraction-that-doesnt-last/10969/15): > > From another perspective, if you are looking for a deeper bond, you might forget about “game.” Relax, and try to enjoy the people you’re with without an objective to the interaction. Many of them will have other relationships or reasons of their own for not following up in the future. > > However, the situation will be ripe for the time when a special person with whom you connect well is in the right space. Then things can develop beautifully without effort or coersion from either side. Well, depends on how you define “game,” I guess. I already said I’m not interested in picking up random girls, so for me . . . “game” is simply about the dynamics of interpersonal relating and how attraction works at a basic level. “Game” is about attitude and approach. That’s pure C&F DD, and the Mystery Method breaks it down a little more. Both provide good overviews of those dynamics which make logical sense. So that’s the information I use. Frankly, I couldn’t care less about canned routines and bogus memorized stories. They won’t get you anywhere in the long run if you can’t figure out how to carry on a normal conversation. Of course, with so many aspiring PUAs on this forum, we’re in for it now. 😃 Wind, just to clarify. Essentially, I think I am agreeing with you. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 5:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/17 "2008-04-12T17:31:50Z")
> [@She seems hooked on the night, then flakes: pheromone attraction that doesn't last](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/she-seems-hooked-on-the-night-then-flakes-pheromone-attraction-that-doesnt-last/10969/1): > > for me, tis is the part of wearing this stuff i cant understand. “how can the girl appear so attracted to me, and then flake on me every time i try 2 meet up again?”…especially with Ammo and now with p79, seemingly brilliant hits,…ON THE NIGHT…and thats it! this 1 girl really did seem to succumb to a IS/p79 mix,…this was 1 month ago and haven’t seen her since. Wow, this is exactly my experience. I can’t explain why though. My only idea is that the girl thinks I’m superior to her and that keeping me attached will be way too hard so she tries for a male inferior to me. ---
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 1:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/18 "2008-04-13T01:48:32Z")
> [@She seems hooked on the night, then flakes: pheromone attraction that doesn't last](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/she-seems-hooked-on-the-night-then-flakes-pheromone-attraction-that-doesnt-last/10969/14): > > [Attraction versus Value - Woodhaven - Pick Up and Seduction Database](http://www.bristollair.com/inner-game/understanding/attraction-versus-value.html) > > Flaking Sucks. Have you ever been in a club, ran a tight fucking set, had girls laughing, touching you and had their complete attention on you all night long?? Ever had those same girls flake? If you answered yes, then read on my friend, that is what this post is all about! 🙂 > What you did was create massive amounts of surface attraction. But there are two important properties to surface attraction which work against you. Firstly, it is temporary and state based. It goes away when you do. Secondly, it is resisted because to the girls, it is a familiar unempowering emotional response. If you create a ton of surface attraction in the club, take a number and then go home… I guarantee you have a flake on your hands. Flaking is the result of excess attraction combined with a lack of value. Simple and predictable. The only way to win a completely attraction-based game is to lay back completely, give her YOUR number and let her chase you, since any chasing on your part will dissipate her attraction to you. Likewise if you have lost a lot of value for some reason, if she discovered that you misrepresented your value, you cannot chase her to regain it. The attitude must be “Hey, I am who I am, take it or leave it.” WARNING - Girls like me never call. If a guy gives me his number, I will think about it, check out his “value” and if there is enough attraction think about it some more. If he looked like couldn’t decide between me or my girlfriend and was wishy washy I will flake and not even call. Because I think, what a WIMP. I like being chased. Make me work and I will move on to greener grass. Show me you can’t decide and I’m like NEXT. When guys can’t decide between two girls, 1. the one with the bigger ego will be insulted 2. she doesn’t want to lose a girlfriend over a player. Cut it quick. There are women who really want a man, usually at the age of 35+ and want to have kids who will chase. They chase you because you have something they want (babies) and they know the probability of winning is high. Other than that, it never benefits a woman to chase. See the book Red Queen, talks about how animals mate, and how for some species it is not beneficial for the female to chase for 5 minutes worth of pleasure when the male is only going to dump his load and then be off doing someone else. Furthermore, she has to carry the burden for 9 months with no support. No a good way to ensure the survival of her babies. Again, the woman will chase if she feels you are the type to be nurturing and can provide for her and maybe her kids (future or current). Other than that surface attraction don’t mean squat. Flaking is the act of saying no without hurting your feelings. Men do it all the time. Again, flaking only means someone else is in the works. However, if you do display higher value and she is attracted to you, she will try to squeeze you in. To prevent yourself from getting hurt, assume she is involved with someone else. That was the case with my girlfriend flaking on a dude this week. She said she would call and she didn’t and he said sorry your loss. Now she is torn as to whether to call him or not. But most likely she will not. She is happy (enough) with her man. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 2:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/19 "2008-04-13T02:19:34Z")
Hmm, Sugar, methinks the before mentioned really depends on the culture, age and geographic area. Here in Honolulu–mostly mixed Asian community–women chase all the time. However they tend to be more subtle and sneakier about it than men. That is, they’re in full control of the hunt but tend to make the guy think he’s doing the chasing when in fact he merely walked into her well laid trap. With that said, plenty of women–attractive, smart women–will openly chase, not bothering to be sneaky about it. Perhaps it’s a generation thing, but plenty of 20-somethings have pursued me and didn’t hesitate one iota in making first contact after our initial meeting. The shyer will email or IM, but the bolder call my cell. I recall one hot Vietnamese girl called several times but hung up before speaking. Finally she got up the nerve to speak. Sheesh I felt sorry for her as I recall going through the same shit years back. Once she knew I wasn’t going to reject her she was bold as a lioness. And these women were not “baby hungry,” desperate, dumb or unattractive. On the contrary they were everything most guys would want. Perhaps weaker men might be threatened by their boldness and confidence. I do know one thing, breaking up with women like these can be life threatening. Her wrath is just as intense as her pursuit. But, yeah, Sugar you’re right about guys flaking. I suspect we do it more than women. I love to tease and flirt but it’s usually only for that moment. Most of us will say anything and follow through long enough for a little honey on stinger in the parking lot, but think twice about anything more. I try to be less of an ass than I used to be, but it pretty much comes with the territory of “maleness.” Incidentally, the increased boldness of women is something fairly new to me. I guess I’ll have to blame 5 years of using NPA and The Edge. Prior to that things weren’t nearly so urgent. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 2:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446/20 "2008-04-13T02:38:48Z")
Sugar, although Gegogi has a point in saying that women work based on culture and age, you’ve still opened up a bit more about how some women tick to us men. You’re prolly going to save some hearbreaks by what you posted. I think you should create a thread where you just spill the secret inner workings of the femme mind, that would be helpful. I mean, with most of us guys, it’s just: [http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9381/sandclockrt9.png](http://imageshack.us) **+** [http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3029/27022637gm3.jpg](http://imageshack.us) **=** [http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3888/gifheart373yp7.jpg](http://imageshack.us) \*\* +\*\*[http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6278/orientaltotempoletreelohm1.jpg](http://imageshack.us/) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-do-pheromone-hits-with-ammo-and-p79-flake-afterwards/23446.md?page=2)