# Why Dont You Talk???? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 14, 2008, 12:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468 "2008-09-14T00:23:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 12:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/1 "2008-09-14T00:23:04Z")
has any one here had experience with od on IO? i cant see to get hits or convos with any amout of sprays… it might be that it could be incompatible with my own chemistry, but idk HELP! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 12:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/2 "2008-09-14T00:29:37Z")
I will be happy to assist you, but first a couple of questions. In what environment are you using the IO? School, club, coffee house, brothel? What is the low/high dose that you are using? What are you doing to start the conversation and how are you keeping it going? ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/3 "2008-09-14T00:40:17Z")
well i use it at work as i am a cashier at a hyvee food store and we are encouraged to talk to the customers.., it is 1x strength and i also use it in my high school. i know that school is the best social setting to use it in…max sprays i used is 4 sprays by itself. brothel? no. not so much in my town. lol. i ask open ended questions and know how to pick up on signals to keep asking and talking but all those signals are not there. and i dont want to seem try-hard when i keep nagging trying to keep it going. have also done the testing method starting with one spray…two sprays… three… you know.. ---
**Author:** ![in\_uk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/in_uk/32/2130_2.png) [@in\_uk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/in_uk)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 12:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/4 "2008-09-14T00:51:52Z")
yapping for hours in a brothel kind of defeats the object really ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 12:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/5 "2008-09-14T00:52:52Z")
You can’t OD on [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) in the sense of creating a frightening or badass vibe. But I suspect there are other unaccounted factors at play here. What happens if you go without pheromones? In my humble experience, androstenol has never gotten anybody to talk to me if they didn’t already want to. However if they wanna talk, it flows like water. I’m normally silent with cashiers unless I know them outside of their job, sol I wouldn’t take it personally. Finally, I find it takes several minutes in tight quarters for most pheromones to sink in to a target. Hardly the situation in an impersonal retail operation or crowded school hallway. Get your target in a car or private restaurant booth for 15 minutes, pour on the charm and they should open up if they wanna talk. ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 12:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/6 "2008-09-14T00:52:59Z")
lol. you have brothels in the UK? ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 12:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/7 "2008-09-14T00:56:10Z")
but when i stay at my register for a few hours, doesnt my cloud affect them? and at school, i sit there for 45 minutes everyday and still get nothing.. and when my and my two best friends sit in my car when i drive them home after 4 hours of school. they just talk as always.. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 8:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/8 "2008-09-14T20:56:05Z")
Sometimes you come across a mone that just dosnt mesh with you. Are you having any luck with other mixes ? How about IH have you tried that ? You can get people who blank out from IO but not the whole store. This post by thread by MH may shed some light. Keep in mind that IO is mostly anol. > [@Sexual hits with nols: does heavy Anol from IO or IH dull TUTH's Anone?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sexual-hits-with-nols/138): > > I was just wondering with the heavy Anol products like IO and IH…has anyone found that the high amounts of ANol or Bnol reduce the sexual hits that they get when combined with your usual amount of Anone? Like for example using TUTH and IO…5mcg Anone and 10mcg ANol per spray. Not a 1:1 ratio…just wondering if these ratios still get sexual hits or not? Anyone chime in please? I’m just contemplating if I should even be worrying about getting too much Anol. That it might kill the sexual effects/hit… Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Curiouschic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Curiouschic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Curiouschic)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/9 "2008-09-14T21:26:14Z")
hey tfer, where are you applying instant openness? This may effect (but like the others have said it may be the two of you dont mesh). I find for me instant openness gives me a giddy feel, and sometimes I do just blabber about nothing in particular. BUT this is not the way others around me are affected. A good thing for you rto do is see if you have any regulars and watch their responses when you where it and when you dont. It may be subtle. Some people, even if they want to, wont talk to you because you are a cashier. Watch for body language as some people might open up to you that way. Also check drafts, if there is air blowing the diffusion of your pheros away from your targets, then that wont help. And also depending on where you apply, this may effect. ---
**Author:** ![ProtoJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@ProtoJay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ProtoJay)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/10 "2008-09-15T00:25:13Z")
How many sprays of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) x1 are you using or have used at the max? You dont seem to mention that… ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/11 "2008-09-15T03:35:22Z")
@tisha well it doesnt help when you can only work 4 days a week with max 5 hours daily. and getting paid $7.25 a hour blows. plus paying for gas for my exploder which gets 15 mpg blows even more. so no i havent got it yet. its on the list but ammo is on top. followed by a314 or IG and IH is last. is that a good thing? also what is the diff between alpha and beta androstenol? have not seen any posted info on that. @chic… i put almost every product i have on my wrists. i try not to layer though. so if i put on two products at once then i put them on a diff wrist or a diff part of my arm. @protojay… i have maxed out at 4, only because i think it is a waste to go beyond when i havent seen any noticable effects of it so far. the strenght is 1x. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 5:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/12 "2008-09-15T05:31:09Z")
> [@](#): > > also what is the diff between alpha and beta androstenol? have not seen any posted info on that. Thousands of posts on that one! Heck even [http://pherolibrary.com/](http://pherolibrary.com/) has that one. ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 2:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/13 "2008-09-16T02:56:34Z")
that link only said not much was know about beta. it said it might enhance alpha but not much else! ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/14 "2008-09-16T03:24:02Z")
Ok, to simplify the comparison between Alpha and Beta Androsdtenol: AlphaNol gets people talking and BetaNol encourages deeper more meaningful conversation. AlphaNol is generally better around strangers, but not always. [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) is mainly AlphaNol. Instant Honesty is mainly BetaNol. ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 3:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/15 "2008-09-16T03:33:07Z")
yeah after diggin around i found what i was looking for. i think i should try beta because alpha makes me feel like i should talk more, but i dont have people initiate more. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 4:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/16 "2008-09-16T04:54:12Z")
> [@tfer15](#): > > i think i should try beta because alpha makes me feel like i should talk more, but i dont have people initiate more. Neither Alpha or betaNol is going to make others initiate the conversations. You still have to open them, or at least give them an indication that you WANT to talk to them. It’s what happens after you do where the difference comes in. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/17 "2008-09-16T05:26:21Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Neither Alpha or betaNol is going to make others initiate the conversations. You still have to open them, or at least give them an indication that you WANT to talk to them. It’s what happens after you do where the difference comes in. Exactly! With Betanol the conversation will be deep raport, but again they will not initiate usually. With Alphanol, if you can say hi they will talk, talk, talk. Alphanol is your best bet if you want them to talk to you after just saying hi. I wear 7-8 sprays easily at a time. I’ll always add maybe a spray of Betanol just to keep things from going over the deep end and becoming giberish. 7-8 sprays of IO 1-2 Sprays of IH or 3-5 of CTTM that’s my nols combo ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 1:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/18 "2008-09-17T01:09:11Z")
> [@](#): > > BY SteveO > 7-8 sprays of Instant Openness > 1-2 Sprays of Instant Honesty > or 3-5 of CTTM all those sprays for IO? what is cttm2 made out of? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 2:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/19 "2008-09-17T02:19:47Z")
CTTM is a combo of Betanol and alphanol ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dont-you-talk/19468/20 "2008-09-17T03:46:55Z")
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