# Why dose reaction so varied from Anone to Cops **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 25, 2006, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782 "2006-10-25T15:33:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![countesszero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/countesszero/32/1392_2.png) [@countesszero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/countesszero)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/21 "2006-10-26T18:37:51Z")
Lets hope there’s going to be a full moon. I’m one of the women who run with the wolves. You’ll love the Cops Bomb mix Ail. May the Mones be Whiff you ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2006, 7:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/22 "2006-10-26T19:11:13Z")
Well as long as you are still “playing” several days later, you’ll be fine, as the next full moon is the 5th November, Countess..^\_~ ..which for us here in the UK, is Bonfire Night - better known as Guy Fawkes’ Night. I don’t think you celebrate Guy Fawkes in the US though..I am sure someone told me you don’t. I for one, will have fireworks a-plenty going off on that night. 🙂 Okies, I just made up your mixture in an old Cleo bottle, then transferred it to an old clean PCC bottle for ease of use. I like to be able to just throw a bottle with my mix into my handbag, and that mixture was an ideal candidate. Thanks again, Countess! 🙂 Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2006, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/23 "2006-10-26T20:09:55Z")
> [@](#): > > I don’t think you celebrate Guy Fawkes in the US though..I am sure someone told me you don’t. Quite right. 😃 Would be sort of like you celebrating the 4th of July.😮 ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 12:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/24 "2006-10-27T00:56:24Z")
There are some people here in the U.S. that would like to do a “Guy Fawkes” in Washington D.C. … Elections are coming up. Whee! (it means the END of all these awful political commercials and mailings!) ---
**Author:** ![Dancing\_Joker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dancing_joker/32/1924_2.png) [@Dancing\_Joker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dancing_Joker)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 2:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/25 "2006-10-27T02:21:39Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > I don’t really know what you mean Mak, but as I have said frequently, I do not understand men using cops to attract heterosexual women at ALL. > > Better to wait for Cat’s response I suppose, as he does get reactions when HE uses them, but almost all the posts I have seen from ANY men getting reactions when they wear cops, state that it has been from bisexual women. > > Cops products and concentrates were created for women to wear when attracting men, because we naturally produce copulins - men do not, in any way. > > That is why as I explained to someone at Love Scent recently, we get a HUGELY different reaction when we wear it to attract men, than a man does when he wears it to attract a woman.. > > I wear cops and would say it takes a MAXIMUM of 15 minutes before “The Man” is totally on heat. Literally every time. Without fail. It is the one pheromone I can wear daily around him and the reaction does not waver, or get less intense. > > Women wearing cops raises (scientifically proven) the male’s testosterone level by between 120% and 140% within 20 minutes. > > …men wearing cops..? No idea. Like I said, Cat would be your best bet here, and as for -none, I never wear it, so I have no input there whatsoever. > > I don’t have ovulation or any “time of the month” to speak of, as I am on Depo, so it makes no odds to me what time of the week, month or year it is, as I am never any different in terms of “levels.” > > Ail 🙂 Cops DO work for men … Not by themselves, but definitely in symphonic mixes. And not just with bi-sexual or ovulating women. Trust me … Jasmin can vouch for me 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 8:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/26 "2006-10-27T08:02:10Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > I agree, actually. I think that most users are too attached to the notion that androstenone is strictly _ **the** _ sexual type of pheromone, and that everything else is simply ‘friendly’ or even ‘wussy’. You’ll here this far more often on the Love Scent forums, where everyone is bathing in NPA and Primal Instinct and complaining of not seeing results. I’ve argued for this over there, but it usually falls on deaf ears. > > The negative effects of Androstenone can make it a catch 22, as I’ve noticed that the good hits usually at doses that bring out a lot of the negative effects. Androstenone is hardly appropriate for most situations, as its too aggressive of a pheromone. My use of it has decreased considerably over the past couple of months, though I still use it when the time is right. > > The negative effects of Androstenone can halt the actual progression of attraction. It creates DIHL type responses and what not, but I don’t think we should base the effectiveness of a pheromone on the number of awkward glances we get…thats all superficial to me, and a lot of time up to the interpretation of the user. I’m all about real results, and real progress. If a pheromone has the tendancy to close people off, as Androstenone often does, its hard to make any real progress. Yea I agree with Sigma entirely - thank gosh I am not the only one who thinks like that. And remember Sigma is a guy who can ‘get away’ with wearing a lot of Androstenone so if he thinks like that, then it isn’t just the problem of ‘lone wolves/clint eastwoods’ like me. We should focus here on outcomes and not just ‘hits’. Androstenone may deliver the powerful ‘sexual hits’ on occassion (and great sex too!🙂 ) but it is meaningless if things dont last and connections with people are broken (which happens a lot when I wear Androstenone for example). Well I guess it may help with one night stands with ovulating women (if her non-ovulating friends dont $\*% it up for the Androstenone wearer) and spicing things up with a girlfriend on occassion, but other than that the stuff is more trouble than it is worth. Sure its fun to see ovulating women getting aroused but what benefits does it really provide? It seems to have special status as the ‘sexual pheromone’ because: - it has been the only contender for this title since [synthetic pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) were developed - only in the last year have we got new pheromones that actually make women aroused; - when you hit the sweet spot and it works it seems to be the closest thing to what people idealise as to what pheromones are supposed to do - drive women wild with passion and lust for the wearer. Big but though - results are so hard to replicate. Since it has been around for a decade or more and a lot of people are still finding it terribly difficult to work with on a regular basis, why continue to bother with it when Androtics are offering so many new Androstenone-free products. My opinion is if we want real ‘progress’, we should learn how to work with all the tools that we have been blessed to get in the last year from Androtics without the bother of wearing Androstenone, which seems to alienate a large chunk of the population. I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t want to spend my hard-earned cash on getting a mixture of positive and negative hits (which invariably happens with Androstenone). When I spend money on pheromones, I want positive all the way! Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 1:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/27 "2006-10-27T13:32:53Z")
Visionary, I was just wondering, if you been using many phero’s other than Anone, did you find any of those to be as dose-sensitive or even dose-critical that you can think of, similar to how Anone behaves ? ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/28 "2006-10-27T17:06:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Yea I agree with Sigma entirely - thank gosh I am not the only one who thinks like that. And remember Sigma is a guy who can ‘get away’ with wearing a lot of Androstenone so if he thinks like that, then it isn’t just the problem of ‘lone wolves/clint eastwoods’ like me. > > We should focus here on outcomes and not just ‘hits’. Androstenone may deliver the powerful ‘sexual hits’ on occassion (and great sex too!🙂 ) but it is meaningless if things dont last and connections with people are broken (which happens a lot when I wear Androstenone for example). Well I guess it may help with one night stands with ovulating women (if her non-ovulating friends dont $\*% it up for the Androstenone wearer) and spicing things up with a girlfriend on occassion, but other than that the stuff is more trouble than it is worth. Sure its fun to see ovulating women getting aroused but what benefits does it really provide? > > It seems to have special status as the ‘sexual pheromone’ because: > > - it has been the only contender for this title since synthetic pheromones were developed - only in the last year have we got new pheromones that actually make women aroused; > - when you hit the sweet spot and it works it seems to be the closest thing to what people idealise as to what pheromones are supposed to do - drive women wild with passion and lust for the wearer. Big but though - results are so hard to replicate. > > Since it has been around for a decade or more and a lot of people are still finding it terribly difficult to work with on a regular basis, why continue to bother with it when Androtics are offering so many new Androstenone-free products. My opinion is if we want real ‘progress’, we should learn how to work with all the tools that we have been blessed to get in the last year from Androtics without the bother of wearing Androstenone, which seems to alienate a large chunk of the population. > > I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t want to spend my hard-earned cash on getting a mixture of positive and negative hits (which invariably happens with Androstenone). When I spend money on pheromones, I want positive all the way! > > Visionary I think I was a bit misguided when I used to say that ‘i can get away with more none’. That implies that more none is better, which really it usually isn’t…sometimes it is, but most of the time its not. It did take me more none to produce the types of effects I was going for with it, and yeah I burned through NPA bottles rather quickly. Of course it also took more none to produce the negative effects, however, the line between a good amount of none and a bad amount seem to blur into each other. I’ve OD’d a couple of times trying replicate a mix that I might have had success with previously. The problem I have with none for everyday use, is that the negative effects are highly counter-active to the biggest benefit that pheromones provide: opening people up. Pheromones work well by opening people sexually, socially, professionally, or emotionally/romantically. They create windows of opportunity that might not have otherwise presented themselves. If a pheromone puts someone off and closes them off, its hard(er) to make any progress. And it really is easier said than done to try to ‘play off’ a bad none OD by making an effort to be more open and inviting. Its really pretty frustrating when it happens. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2006, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/29 "2006-10-28T01:31:50Z")
> [@Mak](#): > > Visionary, I was just wondering, if you been using many phero’s other than Androstenone, did you find any of those to be as dose-sensitive or even dose-critical that you can think of, similar to how Androstenone behaves ? Mak, I have not had a chance to try out too many putatives so far but from my forum reading and PMs: - ‘P76’ is said to be dose-critical too and similar to Androstenone (do a search for SwingerMD’s posts on this one); - ‘Androstenedione’ **may** be dose-critical too as it is said to be similar to ANone and perhaps is one of the ‘secret’ actives in certain [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/). It is meant to be sexual but slow burning and without the harshness of Androstenone. Unfortunately it is not legal in the US. I don’t want to say anymore as I do not know if it is okay to talk about it. - ‘Testosterone’ itself is ment to be a powerful masculine pheromone when worn on the skin. Unfortunately i do not know if this is legal and where to get some and use it safely, so that it does not screw up your internal hormone levels. I guess all pheromones are dose sensitive to some extent though in that if you OD you risk some kind of negative result although these are mostly harmless in comparison to the aggression and problems that ANone ODs create. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2006, 8:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/30 "2006-10-28T08:08:56Z")
Also there is another putative pheromone, ‘P80’, which should arrive at my address soon and which I will thoroughly evaluate and report back on. According to Tacitus’ tests, P80 is another dose-critical ‘alpha mone’. Apparently in low doses it sets a ‘floor’ to a mix (gives the vibe of someone high ranking, perhaps a colonel). However in high doses Tacitus wrote that it scared girls away - made them think of big cops or something like that. Anyway I have ordered the 2.5 mcg/spray bottle so I will start low with that one as per the great man Tacitus’ suggestion. I will also try to combine it with Androsterone as well. I will compare this all to Androstenone and A314. I do remember also Michael Harris mentioned to go low (be careful with them) on the Putatives 75-77 as they may be similar to Androstenone. Well I have mentioned 'P76 'in the above post, while ‘P77’ has only been tried on its own by SwingerMD and he reported no results from it at all (well maybe someone else has tried it but has not reported anything). With regards to P75, Homura has tried that one and has said in a recent post that it causes even more aggression from men than Androstenone and makes the male wearer feel terrible as well. It may be effective though for magnetism from women (SwingerMD has mentioned this effect in his dance classes). Hehe yeah I like collecting information especially on putative pheromones 🙂! Mak, I noticed that you are also from Australia. Where in Oz are you? Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2006, 8:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/31 "2006-10-28T08:26:08Z")
Visionary, I’m in Sydney, the land of tolls. Any idea why Canberra women are that sensational ? As for putatives, that is actually far ahead of me. I usually take a long time to work out how any one released product work, then uncomplicated mixes. I like to ‘relate’ a product to me and my environment, if that makes sense. I’ll be quite old by the time I even went thru the normal released lot. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2006, 5:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/32 "2006-11-02T05:37:45Z")
> [@Mak](#): > > This is something I do not have an answer to, and hope to see opinions from women and men both. > > Why it is very important to use Androstenone in the right time and with precision dose to get positive reaction from women, while seemingly with cops the relation between dose and reactions from men are regularly linear. > > Is it only a biological factor, as in, women change around the month, or that their sense of smell is more precise and particular, while men are more unchanged around a month, and smell ‘in general terms’. > > Or is there a cultural factor to it; one example may be, a partucular woman’s upbringing, culture, lets her make a choice of the suitable man within a certain window within the scale of 'rough - gentle" man, for lack of better wording. > > Maybe other examples, reasons can shed some light. > > Experiences or opinions ? Better late than never… my take on the answer to your question. From what I understand, it’s all about those eggs. When they’re available, she’ll respond to androstenone, and when they’re not, she’ll clear out. With men, sperm are being produced constantly, so he’s always “on”. Copulins are therefore always uniformly attractive, because he’s always ready to inseminate a woman. As for men wearing copulins around heterosexual women… only wear traces. And don’t expect good results from heterosexual women unless they’re very young, very competitive, single, or their biological clock is ticking. Heterosexual women who are involved, and those who are not in their “I want him just because you want him” years, generally shy away from a man who smells of copulins. I haven’t done any research into wearing copulins around a heterosexual woman who is ovulating. ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2006, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/33 "2006-11-02T12:34:01Z")
Just to clarify; I’m speaking of men wearing Anone, women wearing cops. I tend to accept that ovulation plays a part, but that doesn’t seem to be all there is. Actually, what I wanted to find out was, if the female’s 7th sense of (subconcious) smell is as selective as her normal sense of smell. My guess ?, it is not .. It is as primitive as a man’s. I know it is not all that flattering (I’ll buy the lunch next time), but I think I saw it happen to a steady degree. For/against opinions ?. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2006, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782/34 "2006-11-02T17:39:43Z")
> [@Mak](#): > > Just to clarify; I’m speaking of men wearing Androstenone, women wearing cops. > > I tend to accept that ovulation plays a part, but that doesn’t seem to be all there is. > > Actually, what I wanted to find out was, if the female’s 7th sense of (subconcious) smell is as selective as her normal sense of smell. > > My guess ?, it is not .. It is as primitive as a man’s. > > I know it is not all that flattering (I’ll buy the lunch next time), but I think I saw it happen to a steady degree. > > For/against opinions ?. I concur. Ovulation is only one of many variables to consider. One if the most influential, but only one. The subconscious isn’t like the conscious. It’s job, in large part, is to record. But I don’t think the subconscious is what you’re wondering about. The subconscious records and notices, even things that the conscious cannot or does not. The genes and lizard brain also play a large part, basically how the information is dealt with. And the lizard brain is still running that primal “reproduce” program, just without the conscious ASD filters. So I suppose I agree, it is is as primitive as a man’s. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-dose-reaction-so-varied-from-anone-to-cops/782.md?page=1)