# Why is it that the days I have best success with women I have NO MONES on? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 21, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613 "2012-12-21T15:55:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/1 "2012-12-21T15:55:35Z")
I’m noticing a trend… I’m having better success approaching, talking to and dealing with women when my own natural testosterone levels are higher and I get a lot of sleep and rest and when I go out without mones. Why is this? Soon as I wear mones around strangers I get more IOI’s SOMETIMES but chances are nothing much happens.. It like it dampens my sex and masculine drive. In social situations I find mones more helpful but when your trying to be a challenge you don’t necessarily want to talk more or get more talk.. Some women, the most beautiful that I chase like me better when I say LESS. They’d rather have the WAY I say things not what I say or the quality of the talk put them at ease. The way I say things is always best when I have high NATURAL test levels (Wake up horny etc) and go out with NO PLAN to meet women and just mingle.. In the end this one new lady who I have not made any moves on I just introduced myself to her and now she is chasing me.. I think she is a cougar around 30 european descent. Perhaps working out hard and building the body , dressing fashionably and my own natural mones is a good signal in itself? After all no mones won’t tell you what to say anyways. Now I notice since working out and my body reshaping back to its youth like bodybuilding states women are chasing me again provided I don’t get needy.. But these are 10’s I ignored for a long time. Maybe I feel more confident because I’m over 35 only 5’8" and most of the women who respond to my natural mones are 25-30 and 5’3" or so. but when I go out with socials and mones that attract younger girls they out of age range and so tall these days I feel awkward. WhenI go out with too much none I OD so I don’t attract. So socials get me young tall girls inappropriate for me, and none gets me blocked out and OD’ed. So with natural high test levels I wonder if nothing is best? Maybe its a phycological thing? It doesn’t matter what is the cause so much the result. Now its a proven fact that mones do work for people. But so does cologne and I can tell you cologne doesn’t agree with me.. because of my sinuses etc I get all stoned off cologne so it doesn’t matter if it works if it doesn’t work on ME.. Ihave tried dozens. I like ammo IS IO IH .. I guess I’ll just have to keep my eye’s out for the petites 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![alexjustdoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alexjustdoit/32/5176_2.png) [@alexjustdoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alexjustdoit)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/2 "2012-12-21T16:38:27Z")
If you’re ODing on the none, just use less. Try out some [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) if you really can’t handle any none at all, that’s what I’ve been trying lately. ---
**Author:** ![JohnM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@JohnM](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnM)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 8:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/3 "2012-12-22T08:53:33Z")
If I understand right you use a bunch of [pheromones](https://a314.com/) at the same time. How about doing proper sweet spot testing? ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/4 "2012-12-22T17:13:24Z")
> [@JohnM](#): > > If I understand right you use a bunch of pheromones at the same time. How about doing proper sweet spot testing? I’m not a huge fan of sweet spot testing because due to my increased bodybuilding, changing sleep patterns, changing diet, and cycling of testosterone boosters, HGH boosters etc,medications changes, etc my sweet spot for any mones is always changing.. It may change from week to week or even from day to day if that’s believable. I just learn to be general.. when I’m around younger girls I wear more socials, around older women more none mixes. I have to be careful I remember where I’m going and who I’m going to see so i know what days to wear what.. 😮 ---
**Author:** ![veramis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/848f3c/32.png) [@veramis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/veramis)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 11:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/5 "2012-12-24T11:50:59Z")
Maybe the negative reactions you notice are from people who are offended by fragrances? Some places and businesses in Canada are scent-free zones, but then again I don’t know much about what Canadians think about fragrances. Women are nicer to me on days where I exercise in the morning, but I don’t like to exercise every single day, so pheromones are now my shortcut 🙂. I’ve seen some major hits from natural mones in the past, so it might not be unusual you observe better results from natural mones than from mone products. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/6 "2012-12-24T15:58:52Z")
Or you are better served wearing your mones a day or two before your date. Could build up be an issue, and not wearing anything allows for that in which still holds to your skin to act out? I wouldn’t be surprised. Just saying. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/7 "2013-01-13T16:52:12Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I’m noticing a trend… I’m having better success approaching, talking to and dealing with women when my own natural testosterone levels are higher and I get a lot of sleep and rest and when I go out without mones. > > Why is this? Soon as I wear mones around strangers I get more IOI’s SOMETIMES but chances are nothing much happens.. It like it dampens my sex and masculine drive. > > In social situations I find mones more helpful but when your trying to be a challenge you don’t necessarily want to talk more or get more talk.. Some women, the most beautiful that I chase like me better when I say LESS. They’d rather have the WAY I say things not what I say or the quality of the talk put them at ease. The way I say things is always best when I have high NATURAL test levels (Wake up horny etc) and go out with NO PLAN to meet women and just mingle.. In the end this one new lady who I have not made any moves on I just introduced myself to her and now she is chasing me.. I think she is a cougar around 30 european descent. > > Perhaps working out hard and building the body , dressing fashionably and my own natural mones is a good signal in itself? After all no mones won’t tell you what to say anyways. > > Now I notice since working out and my body reshaping back to its youth like bodybuilding states women are chasing me again provided I don’t get needy.. But these are 10’s I ignored for a long time. Maybe I feel more confident because I’m over 35 only 5’8" and most of the women who respond to my natural mones are 25-30 and 5’3" or so. but when I go out with socials and mones that attract younger girls they out of age range and so tall these days I feel awkward. WhenI go out with too much none I OD so I don’t attract. So socials get me young tall girls inappropriate for me, and none gets me blocked out and OD’ed. So with natural high test levels I wonder if nothing is best? > > Maybe its a phycological thing? It doesn’t matter what is the cause so much the result. > > Now its a proven fact that mones do work for people. But so does cologne and I can tell you cologne doesn’t agree with me.. because of my sinuses etc I get all stoned off cologne so it doesn’t matter if it works if it doesn’t work on ME.. Ihave tried dozens. > > I like ammo IS IO IH .. I guess I’ll just have to keep my eye’s out for the petites 🙂 I do better picking up when I limit masturbation to once per week, 1.) In actually being all that interested in picking up in the first place, and 2.) When I am out and about picking up, it helps in other ways to, the higher testosterone and sex drive does ALOT of good in picking up ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/8 "2013-01-13T19:53:36Z")
When Picking Up everything comes into play. Your body better and most Test gives off a FAR different signal. If you a social guy or alpha guy, being in better shape or bigger you REINFORCE that signature with your body, actions and self confidence. Adding the wrong amount of one mone will mess you up. I compete(d) in MMA. I understand how cycling effects your body. You have more test, are more aggressive, and more sexually attractive. It repels some women, attracts others. Either way, MORE MONE IS A BAD IDEA. MORE [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) IS TOO HORNDOGGY. Some IO, some IH, some 297 gives you a lighter vibe. The most alpha guy wearing A314 comes off as intimidating. The most dick guy wearing IJ repels 90% of the people. At the same time, it attracts a select few. Knowing when and where you could find them helps, or buffering correctly does as well. This is theory, the most I have cycled is steroids for sickness/broken bone type of situation given to me by a doctor. But, knowing the experience and how guys act, I feel with a sexual mone or alpha mone you amplify the aggression and raw desire you have. Some women love this. Other hate it. Other are intimidated. If you open them and force past the lack of signals, odds are they will LOVE you. Social my friend, take you edge off just a bit. IO does not need to make you chat more. If you are stoic when lifting and running a cycle it mellows you out. If you are chatty IH will take it down a notch and ease you into things. If you are too stand-off ish IS will make you approachable. You now have a bigger issue to tackle in the fact your natural TEST production is going crazy and many mones come on too strong. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/9 "2013-01-14T04:06:06Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > I do better picking up when I limit masturbation to once per week, 1.) In actually being all that interested in picking up in the first place, and 2.) When I am out and about picking up, it helps in other ways to, the higher testosterone and sex drive does ALOT of good in picking up I only masturabte 1x week.. i find there was a study done that shows that weekly masturbation increases males test levels especially if its done once every seven days.. And if you go without sex or masturbation for more than a week your test levels will plunge too.. Of course since i’m over 35 I don’t masturbate as frequently as I did when I was 18. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 4:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/10 "2013-01-14T04:16:07Z")
> [@KIMBA](#): > > When Picking Up everything comes into play. > > Your body better and most Test gives off a FAR different signal. If you a social guy or alpha guy, being in better shape or bigger you REINFORCE that signature with your body, actions and self confidence. > > Adding the wrong amount of one mone will mess you up. > > I compete(d) in MMA. I understand how cycling effects your body. You have more test, are more aggressive, and more sexually attractive. It repels some women, attracts others. Either way, MORE MONE IS A BAD IDEA. MORE P75 IS TOO HORNDOGGY. Some IO, some IH, some 297 gives you a lighter vibe. > > The most alpha guy wearing A314 comes off as intimidating. The most dick guy wearing IJ repels 90% of the people. At the same time, it attracts a select few. Knowing when and where you could find them helps, or buffering correctly does as well. > > This is theory, the most I have cycled is steroids for sickness/broken bone type of situation given to me by a doctor. But, knowing the experience and how guys act, I feel with a sexual mone or alpha mone you amplify the aggression and raw desire you have. Some women love this. Other hate it. Other are intimidated. If you open them and force past the lack of signals, odds are they will LOVE you. > > Social my friend, take you edge off just a bit. IO does not need to make you chat more. If you are stoic when lifting and running a cycle it mellows you out. If you are chatty IH will take it down a notch and ease you into things. If you are too stand-off ish IS will make you approachable. You now have a bigger issue to tackle in the fact your natural TEST production is going crazy and many mones come on too strong. It’s tough balancing mones with naturally body chemistry isn’t it? The process sometimes takes years of trial and error to master. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 4:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/11 "2013-01-14T04:37:59Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I only masturabte 1x week.. i find there was a study done that shows that weekly masturbation increases males test levels especially if its done once every seven days.. And if you go without sex or masturbation for more than a week your test levels will plunge too.. > > Of course since i’m over 35 I don’t masturbate as frequently as I did when I was 18. 😃 Thank you for sharing your masturbation habits I found them very interesting A number of times I have done the no masturbation challenge for 4 weeks, during that time I was quite alot into picking up!! In fact an absolutely superb beautiful intelligent smart gorgeous woman started an LTR with me as I met her in the club and being that high on testosterone, redbull, and spirits I picked her up right then and there was only about 30 minutes or so before we where on our way to my house where we spend 3 days fucking!! lol but if I masturbate too frequently I cant even be bothered sometimes to try and pick up ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 4:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/12 "2013-01-14T04:40:42Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > Thank you for sharing your masturbation habits I found them very interesting > > A number of times I have done the no masturbation challenge for 4 weeks, during that time I was quite alot into picking up!! > > In fact an absolutely superb beautiful intelligent smart gorgeous woman started an LTR with me as I met her in the club and being that high on testosterone, redbull, and spirits I picked her up right then and there was only about 30 minutes or so before we where on our way to my house where we spend 3 days fucking!! lol > > but if I masturbate too frequently I cant even be bothered sometimes to try and pick up 4 weeks wouldn’t help me at all.. You see my sex drive will not increase but PLUNGE if I go without masturabation for more than a week.. In my 20’s I could masturabate daily and me horny as a toad. Sex sucks after 35… ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 5:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-is-it-that-the-days-i-have-best-success-with-women-i-have-no-mones-on/57613/13 "2013-01-14T05:01:03Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I only masturabte 1x week.. i find there was a study done that shows that weekly masturbation increases males test levels especially if its done once every seven days.. And if you go without sex or masturbation for more than a week your test levels will plunge too.. > > Of course since i’m over 35 I don’t masturbate as frequently as I did when I was 18. 😃 > [@dsouza](#): > > 4 weeks wouldn’t help me at all.. You see my sex drive will not increase but PLUNGE if I go without masturabation for more than a week.. In my 20’s I could masturabate daily and me horny as a toad. > > Sex sucks after 35… hmm yes as a young teenager I could not stop masturbating! I too read some interesting studies about masturbation once a week being overall a good thing, I must have read those testosterone boosting studies too but I forget exactly what they said I think 1ce a week is a pretty sensible schedule I did manage to return myself to the libido of earlier years though through: intense hard Full Body workouts, deadlifts, squats with the barbell + weight, dumbbell benchpress, and any other compounding exercises I could think of - Lots of milk, eggs, and some beef rump steak I was purposely trying to do a HGH and testosterone increasing workout regime and I did notice a good improvement to my libido