# Why oh why? This is serious stuff for serious users **URL:** \ **Category:** A314 Insider's Club\ **Created:** [November 5, 2007, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428 "2007-11-05T23:30:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/1 "2007-11-05T23:30:09Z")
This is kind of a SteveO rant, but seriously I have read it all to often. New users are saying hi, I want respect in work and all of a sudden there’s this huge surge of users pushing A314. I have a problem with this, not as a mod, but as a user. Why? It just seems ridiculous to offer a product that is meant to garner an Alpha vibe of respect to someone you know nothing about. How hard is it to ask the questions? It might be a perfect fit, or on the other hand you could be offering Mr. Nerd with zero social skills a Pandora’s Box. Respect has to be earned and someone who is needy or lacking in Alpha is not going to get that respect. I think it would be wise to search out posts by MHarris and read about the ultimate A314 vibe and how if you are not congruent with it than you will have BAD results. In one post he points out how few people will actually interact with someone wearing A314 because they will feel intimidated by that VIP respect vibe and yet we are recommending it to a shy user. That’s just assinine! Personally I believe A314 should be reserved for those users who are Alpha and made to stand out as a true leader of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) for that true leader of men. I realize this might actually have the opposite effect on people. Oh they say I shouldn’t wear it so I will buy it and wear it. But at least then there will be sufficient notice to that person why no one is talking to them. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 2:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/2 "2007-11-06T14:52:45Z")
Hey Steveo - yes, I agree… if your problem is you are projecting a shy, nervous unconfident vibe, too in your head and not talking to people then A314 may have limited benefits. On the other hand, it’s fairly harmless compared to PI or the other undebugged none products. If you’re stuck in a rut and can’t imagine how to escape, trying something new (almost anything) might be better than staying there. The fact that somebody is here, willing to try something that most smart, educated people think doesn’t work suggests that the new user is in a mode of exploring new ideas and new tools anyway. So the confidence boost from self-effects may prove to be something one can use. I do agree though… we need to work on a better forum FAQ that incoporates some of the deep wisdom of mharris, tacitus etc… ---
**Author:** ![ProtoJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@ProtoJay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ProtoJay)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/3 "2007-11-06T15:21:34Z")
I agree, until I realised I could simply not be passive when wearing A314, I was basically wasting it… You need to be confident, outgoing, and you need to move around to spread your pherosigniture around teh room. You need to initiate conversations, talk to girls, flirt, etc, to get anything out of it. It is a brilliant product, but it takes skill to use… ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 4:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/4 "2007-11-06T16:40:51Z")
Like when Tater stood up at a customer party, pointed to the daughter of our customer’s VP and said you-youre the one-come here? You can do a lot just by having faith. A314 is a respect for authority exchange. If you demonstrate that you have authority, you will get respect. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2007, 9:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/5 "2007-11-07T09:37:14Z")
Yea I think there should be more instructions for newbies for wearing A314. There is plenty of good information on A314 (no doubt from the knowledge of MHarris and Jasmin) on the webpage that sells it: “Alpha A314” Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men :: Pheromone Oil (Slow Release) :: Androtics Direct/SmartMones ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)) Steveo makes a good point at the start of the thread, but I definitely don’t think people should be discouraged to buy it, even if they are shy or not Alpha. I see A314 as the one [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) that could be a life changer. Medium ranking/sometimes shy guys like me broadcast this pheromone message with A314 of ‘I am an Important person in the world’ and people react to that even if you aren’t congruent to it 100% of the time. Eventually I got quite used to the effect of having people agree with me, see me as a big guy, so I started ‘throwing my weight around’ so to speak. Even on this very forum, whereas before I was supplicating to guys a lot and saying ‘thank you’ every time I posted (I was wearing mostly ‘friendly’ molecules then 😃 ) all of a sudden I throw my opinions around and act like I AM the big guy with the big future in the same way vein as I am treated as every day in real life (now that I wear 3 drops of A314 pretty much every weekday). I still don’t like the effects of high dose A314 socially or for attraction but for work and getting ahead in life there is no peer to this product in the pheromone world. Some of the following posts may really be useful though for giving newbies guidance on how to ‘act’ like with A314 on and what it can do… > [@Can you overdose on A314, and how many drops would it take?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-od/251/4): > > That is one of the few “problems”. In a way, I don’t actually like the amount of status that A314 brings. People treat you like you’re better than them – and I don’t think that’s in tune reality. I think all people are incredibly capable (whether or not they use that capability), so, right or wrong, I tend to see people as equals. Now while I don’t necessarily like being put on a pedestal, I do like the amount of COOPERATION the status change brings. Almost anything I ask for, I’ll get with … MHarris (March 30, 2006): "…That is one of the few “problems”. In a way, I don’t actually like the amount of status that A314 brings. People treat you like you’re better than them – and I don’t think that’s in tune reality. I think all people are incredibly capable (whether or not they use that capability), so, right or wrong, I tend to see people as equals. Now while I don’t necessarily like being put on a pedestal, I do like the amount of COOPERATION the status change brings. Almost anything I ask for, I’ll get with A314… and people tend to cooperate with you _happily_, not begrudgingly or with secret disdain. It also gives me incredible access to others. I’ve been able to meet all the key people I’ve wanted to with it. A314 + a little self volition = some incredible personal power. **Really great for a “man with a plan”** – like invisible support for your will. You could say “it’s got it your back”. 🙂" > [@Can you overdose on A314, and how many drops would it take?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-od/251/8): > > Well, thank you your nice comments. I’m glad it works consistently for you. You know, it’s interesting. Some people don’t think of it as a sexual product, but it actually works perfectly with the better (read: WORKING) seduction systems out there. Mystery’s method, for example, written about in the bestselling book “The Game”, depends extensively on “displaying higher value”. Short of wearing an Armani suit, a gold watch, and shoes made out of exotic animals, I know of nothing that communica… MHarris (March 30, 2006): "…You know, it’s interesting. Some people don’t think of it as a sexual product, but it actually works perfectly with the better (read: WORKING) seduction systems out there. Mystery’s method, for example, written about in the bestselling book “The Game”, depends extensively on “displaying higher value”. Short of wearing an Armani suit, a gold watch, and shoes made out of exotic animals, I know of nothing that communicates higher value faster than A314. 🙂…" > [@Opt-in for the Spray A314 Experiments](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opt-in-for-the-spray-a314-experiments/326/59): > > These are now available. MX102 is a spray “interpretation” of the original A314 (with adjustments made for differences in the diffusion curve of the oil vs. the spray): Then there’s 3 versions we’re playing around with, to see if we can increase the sexual effects, without dramatically disturbing the formula. The three altered versions are MX103, MX104, and MX105. MX103 MX104: MX105: Here, we remove some pheromones, but you don’t miss out… we compensate by increasing the levels of oth… MHarris (June 29, 2006): "…\*\*You _have_ to be comfortable playing the role of a traditional, initiatory male to make best use of **A314**. (thankfully, the bulk of our users report that **A314** itself makes them feel more calm, cool and dominant, and thus they act the role automatically) \*\* Anyone here familiar with the reference “Who is John Galt?” If you are, you know that John Galt is any A314 user with a plan. A will, and a strong one at that. [http://www.whatisthematrix.us/photoblog/images/dsc\_0062.jpg](http://www.whatisthematrix.us/photoblog/images/dsc_0062.jpg) If you don’t know the reference, well, don’t worry about it. 🙂 \*\*Let me make just one more attempt at simplifying the how **A314** works: Few people will approach you when using any version of **A314**. You’ll have to be the one to make contact, to “reach out and touch someone”. The difference is how you’re treated when you do. Most people will be thrilled when you’re in the drivers seat. **A314** is an action catalyst. It’s like motor oil. You can only tell it’s working when the motor is running. \*\* (Maybe someone else can make this even clearer 🙂) **The bottom line is: Unless you’re comfortable playing the role of a strong, ultra high value male… just forget about A314. It’ll do more harm than good** …" > [@Hello from Down Under](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-down-under/1712/11): > > Hi there LastTry Oh gosh, all these TAs and MX’s and Ps and pheromones and Instants must have been a bit overwhelming to you at first. Fortunately you’ve stumbled upon the [best pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) community in the world! We’ll all try to figure out which product would best go with you, but ultimately it’s really up to you to figure out the best dosing and such. DO DO DO go see if Maria Sharapova is affected by a big pheromone signature. You will be our #1 Australian Operative, working incognito as a “t… Jasmin (January 22, 2007): “…But we’re getting ahead of ourselves. I’d say to go with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and Shine to start off with. Those are really great “entry level” pheromone blends that can give you an idea of how sexy and super confident some of these blends can be. \*\*When you’re totally jazzed up about how those work in your social life, talk to me about picking up a bottle of **A314** and how to best use it. I literally have an entire filing cabinet and half a harddrive filled up with the most amazing stories about how **A314** changes people’s lives… but it’s more a product that should be used by people who have an idea what pheros can do for them. \*\*That’s why I’m saying to get [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and Shine first. 🙂…” ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2007, 1:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/6 "2007-11-13T13:50:14Z")
I see your point steveo… you’re right. Though it would be worse if we were recommending -none products for work, for instance… ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2007, 4:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/7 "2007-11-13T16:52:34Z")
Tater recommends androstenone-based products for work regularly. Whats wrong with that? ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2007, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/8 "2007-11-13T22:41:15Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > Tater recommends androstenone-based products for work regularly. Whats wrong with that? Well a heavy -none product, unbuffered, could be risky… it could get your superior irritated.. of course if you ARE the superior it’s another thing.. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 3:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/9 "2007-11-14T03:10:30Z")
Tater, I’m not sure if your joking, but taking you on your word I’d like to point out the following: While any pheromone worn in any situation has to be congruent with the user, or there might be adverse affects, -none, at least to me, seems to be one of those pheromones that affects everyone. This affect at work could create a situation where a male might get accused of sexual harassment if they are not careful. Careful could be considered as congruent where an unskilled user might subject himself to possible disciplinary situations, termination, lawsuit. All bad for anyone. But in the spirit of The Mad Tater, who I’ve come to love his posts I can see that each user regardless of what any user says is going to do what they want anyway. When I posted the original thread post I did it because there were users recommending to admittedly shy people with little social abilities, seeking conversational pheromones, A314 as that social vibe pheromone. While I recognize that A314 will have some self-affects and build some confidence and possibly give the user the confidence to overcome their approach anxiety, I believe in most instances it is not beneficial for this. Here’s why: Overcoming the ability to start a conversation is one thing, but A314 gives the vibe of High Roller, VIP, Movie Star, and as such the wearer might be able to use it to approach and start a conversation, but unless socially graced with the gift of gab, the conversation will run dry and quick. You have that charismatic VIP vibe and can say hi, but charismatic VIP needs to talk and do most of it at that. So the shy guy looking for that edge is going to be shut out in the long run. In speaking with Jasmosis about it she agrees that A314 is an elitist product and should have an aura of mystique around it. You can dress up like James Bond, but if your not congruent everyone will know. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 8:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/10 "2007-11-20T08:45:30Z")
Some more quality information on A314 from its creator, Mr. Pheromone VIP himself MHarris, is pasted in below from some old PMs to me. Note he did mention that introverts, while they may not see obvious benefits, can still hear the benefits that it brings in how people perceive them on the ‘grapevine’. I will stick to my opinion that even most shy guys and introverts, **as long as they learn to ‘get the most of what the’ve got’ charisma wise** , will still get greater benefits (in terms of ‘personal power’) from A314 than from any other single [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) available at the moment… PM on Androticsforum MHarris (December 30, 2005): “…Your A314 ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)) will give you that authority. Regardless of how many pheromones I have to play with, I always come back to using [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) as a simple way to get cooperation and good feelings from those around me during daily chores…” PM on Androticsforum MHarris (January 10, 2006): “…Ok, A314 ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/))… I think 2 drops is always a nice starting point. You can then move up and down from there. It’s funny, because it’s like an expensive liquor - long-term pheromone users tend to love, while newbies don’t tend to understand what’s going on. You get a very traditional alpha effect. Not the alpha you hear about on TV programs (a big man with bigger muscles and a frown)(, but more of a true alpha… a provider vibe, strong, stately. Someone other people will bow or curtsey, too. Give deference to (I call deference the “social right of way”). But it’s different than a simple blend of Androsterone and none together, where other men give you “respect” but at the expense of their own self esteem (when you consistenly see others look down a lot when around you, that’s them going inside and having bad feelings, usually - not something I want to do with a phero mix!). With [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) and most body chemistries, people tend to actually enjoy deferring to you. They enjoy being around you, and people who enjoy you and respect you… tend to do things for you. It’s as simple as that. **Now, if you’re an extrovert or use ample Alpha Androstenol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) with it, you’ll be able to better tell what A314 ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)) is doing faster. You’ll get responses that are easier to read.** **If you’re an introvert, it may take awhile for your “legend” to catch up with you. You’ll have to hear it through the “grapevine”… what people are saying behind your back** …” PM on Androticsforum MHarris (January 24, 2006): “…Are they less positive or just expressing themselves less? A314 ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)) used alone is very commanding. It is designed to add additional [Alpha Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) or other pheromones “to taste”. There is also an issue of perceived size of presence. Imagine if we all literally got physically bigger or smaller everday, depending on factors, such as how we feel. That would have a very real impact on others… how they perceived us, and how they feel about themselves, as well. Well, in a way, we are bigger or smaller everday in a very real way that we can all detect. [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) is one of those pheromones that make you larger. Some people will feel smaller, in comparison, but the [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) itself will not make them feel smaller. It’s just their brains running a CMP command. Their brains go “Whoa! That huge huge. Little harder to breathe in here”. But, at the same time, the Androsterone component is very warm, like an old recording made on tube gear. You may be perceived as large, but nobody cares much. They like HOW it feels. \*\*It also positions you as a leader. The very socially adept tend to really like it, because they know where they want to lead a group. Younger people tend to want to get swept up in other’s charisma, until such a time where they are skilled enough to do the sweeping. It is the people adept at sweeping, such as tacitus on this forum, who really fund the effect super enjoyable. In fact, he supplements with massive doses of Beta Androstenol, which is very intense, too. I think most people would add **Alpha Androstenol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/))** to lighten the **A314 ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/))** effect. So if you want deep rapport… if you want to lead… if you want a “follow response”… it’s a wet dream come true. Otherwise, add **Alpha Androstenol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/))** and Shine liberally to lighten it up.\*\*” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2007, 9:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/11 "2007-11-20T09:15:52Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > Tater, I’m not sure if your joking, but taking you on your word I’d like to point out the following: > > While any pheromone worn in any situation has to be congruent with the user, or there might be adverse affects, -none, at least to me, seems to be one of those pheromones that affects everyone. This affect at work could create a situation where a male might get accused of sexual harassment if they are not careful. Careful could be considered as congruent where an unskilled user might subject himself to possible disciplinary situations, termination, lawsuit. All bad for anyone. > > But in the spirit of The Mad Tater, who I’ve come to love his posts I can see that each user regardless of what any user says is going to do what they want anyway. > > When I posted the original thread post I did it because there were users recommending to admittedly shy people with little social abilities, seeking conversational pheromones, A314 as that social vibe pheromone. > > **While I recognize that A314 will have some self-affects and build some confidence and possibly give the user the confidence to overcome their approach anxiety, I believe in most instances it is not beneficial for this. Here’s why: Overcoming the ability to start a conversation is one thing, but A314 gives the vibe of High Roller, VIP, Movie Star, and as such the wearer might be able to use it to approach and start a conversation, but unless socially graced with the gift of gab, the conversation will run dry and quick. You have that charismatic VIP vibe and can say hi, but charismatic VIP needs to talk and do most of it at that. So the shy guy looking for that edge is going to be shut out in the long run.** > > In speaking with Jasmosis about it she agrees that A314 is an elitist product and should have an aura of mystique around it. You can dress up like James Bond, but if your not congruent everyone will know. I have to clarify that I do agree with Steveo that the Charismatic VIP does need to talk and be social of course. I do rotate my [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) a lot and like to add various molecules for specific tasks. I think this helps me a lot to carry the A314 effect off, to brighten up my days (as high doses of A314 do feel kind of ‘dark’ and ‘heavy’ to me without proper buffering), and to reduce immunity from its effects on myself and on others. So for example a good strategy I like to use is as follows… BASE MIX 3-4 drops A314 with 3-4 drops WAGG and 3 sprays CTTM SUPPORTING ROTATING PERIPHERAL PRODUCTS When I need to ask a favour off a female supervisor Add 5-10 mcg of P93 When I need to befriend a male for example Add 3-4 sprays of Realm for Men (contains minute but fast diffusing amounts of Estratetraenol) For some social events Add 50 mcg of P74 (works beautifully for this purpose and very consistently) For other social events 3 sprays Instant Shine (increases magnetism well which is good as A314 can move people a little too out of the way) Now there will be others I will add when I have them and when I figure out how I can best exploit them… The beauty of all of this strategy is: - I retain the DHV gains that A314 brings as I always have 3-4 drops on but it is just ‘packaged’ in slightly different ways; - I don’t have to feel like a highly respected social outcast 😛 (at least from those my age and younger) when wearing that much A314 (because I spray the products I have mentioned above well after I put the A314 on, they can play a slightly more prominent part in the mix and indeed people respond more to a pheromone signature has just undergone a change); - a change in the signature will keep everyone (including me the wearer) more attuned to the signature’s effects - what that means is that I will feel the A314 working every single day and get the confidence lift moreso than if I had the same mix on every day); - the peripheral pheromones are doing their magic very consistently simply because they are used so infrequently - people just don’t get used to their effects… Anyway I think I am really onto something these days with this strategy… Visionary ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 3:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/12 "2007-11-23T03:27:25Z")
Totally agree with you all, guys. Congruency is important with all pheros and mixes but it takes much more sense when using high -Androsterone products, specially A314. I would compare bad effects of wearing -Androsterone and being not congruent, with wearing a -none OD, it may even be worse, at least on me. I am not saying the effects are the same, it’s only that newbies are only warned about -none OD (they’re really scaried about it, and might even not test a controlled OD, what is interesting), and they’re not so induced to wear A314 with an alpha vibe… The thing is that you must behave like an alpha while wearing A314 (even with friends, those are the worst in this case) or will normally have bad or unrespectful reactions. I’ve explained mine some time ago here, if you are not congruent, they see a flawless in you, that you are not so alpha like you seem and they use that to destroy you. They must think “what the h\*ll does he think??? he’s not so alpha! I am going to make jokes about it and bring him down to the floor because he’s flying so much and too high”. Maybe only an opinion 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 4:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/13 "2007-11-23T04:36:49Z")
Well said Capone, well said. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 6:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/14 "2007-11-23T06:35:58Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Well a heavy -none product, unbuffered, could be risky… it could get your superior irritated.. of course if you ARE the superior it’s another thing.. Androstenone is not to be avoided at work. Thats Taters point. Not only have i managed 30 mcg of androstenone at work and throughout the day, with no adverse effects (that i know of), but Tater also believes that you should wear a phero signature that works in all situations. You cant lose weight in a particular area. You shouldnt try to wear pheros for one situation. In the not so long-term, i think you lose if you do that. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2007, 2:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/15 "2007-11-23T14:21:05Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > Androstenone is not to be avoided at work. Thats Taters point. Not only have i managed 30 mcg of androstenone at work and throughout the day, with no adverse effects (that i know of), but Tater also believes that you should wear a phero signature that works in all situations. You cant lose weight in a particular area. You shouldnt try to wear pheros for one situation. In the not so long-term, i think you lose if you do that. Well it’s good if you managed that. I tend not to try to wear -none at work. Do you cover it? I usually wear pheros for the particular situation (see the recent post re common mixes, it’s quite similar to what I do) - and when I’ve got a girlfriend, even tailored to her specific period… 🙂 Why do you think varying phero signature would be negative? The variation makes me look more interesting I think… it worked for me I think. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 7:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/16 "2007-11-24T07:00:37Z")
Tater isnt recommending that anyone try 30mcg androstenone. That can be very unwise. Tater now believes that its not very important to continuously vary the artificial pheros you put on. You natural signature will vary enough anyhow. If youre wearing mega-doses, then its important that you not wear them for more than a day or two because the artificial pheros will overwhelm anything your body can put out. If you wear a few drops of A314 or IH or whatever every day, applying the same amounts may actually be good, in some cases. Altering how much IFM (androstadienone) you wear based on your partner is of benefit, but there are only a few pheros that are like that. Tater believes your body sees the artificial pheros the same as another person staying very close to you, not as your own pheros. So if you find a great signature, it might be a good idea to keep it around for a while. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 7:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/17 "2007-11-24T07:38:02Z")
A few random responses to what I’ve read so far: - Pheromones can be as serious or as whimsical as one likes; - A314 is a subtle product, but not a dangerous one; it’s use by the uninformed/noob might be like mixing a great XO armagnac with Dr. Pepper: a bit of a waste but still produces the desired effects. - I read MHarris’s posts with a lot of respect, but not reverence: he puts his pants on one leg at a time. Questioning his assertions is certainly of value. - It’s tempting but a little early to formulate, formalize, and ritualize the phero-field with prescriptions for “the one right way” to use. Our mileage does vary, doesn’t it? And perhaps that’s one of the great pleasures of pioneering. - I think there are plusses and minuses to keeping a consistent artificial phero sig; I haven’t found any set of signals that’s definitive in guiding me when to stay with a mix, or when to change things up. Here’s my Thanksgiving wish for y’all: may you recognize how resourceful you are at making hypotheses, how capable of dealing with ambiguity, how comfortable you truly are with the creative tensions of doubt and experimentation and withholding judgment in pursuit of the clarity and wisdom of knowing. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2007, 1:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/18 "2007-11-24T13:49:16Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > - I read MHarris’s posts with a lot of respect, but not reverence: he puts his pants on one leg at a time. Questioning his assertions is certainly of value. > - It’s tempting but a little early to formulate, formalize, and ritualize the phero-field with prescriptions for “the one right way” to use. Our mileage does vary, doesn’t it? And perhaps that’s one of the great pleasures of pioneering. > - I think there are plusses and minuses to keeping a consistent artificial phero sig; I haven’t found any set of signals that’s definitive in guiding me when to stay with a mix, or when to change things up. > Here’s my Thanksgiving wish for y’all: may you recognize how resourceful you are at making hypotheses, how capable of dealing with ambiguity, how comfortable you truly are with the creative tensions of doubt and experimentation and withholding judgment in pursuit of the clarity and wisdom of knowing. > > Cheers Thanks.. I agree with you on these points. Repped you in fact. I’m still learning and exploring to this day, flexible to recognise that my hypotheses may be wrong and capable to learn more insights from others’ and my experimentation too… ---
**Author:** ![Ryan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ryan/32/1528_2.png) [@Ryan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ryan)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 11:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/19 "2007-12-21T23:36:34Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > This is kind of a SteveO rant, but seriously I have read it all to often. New users are saying hi, I want respect in work and all of a sudden there’s this huge surge of users pushing A314. > > I have a problem with this, not as a mod, but as a user. Why? It just seems ridiculous to offer a product that is meant to garner an Alpha vibe of respect to someone you know nothing about. How hard is it to ask the questions? > > It might be a perfect fit, or on the other hand you could be offering Mr. Nerd with zero social skills a Pandora’s Box. Respect has to be earned and someone who is needy or lacking in Alpha is not going to get that respect. > > I think it would be wise to search out posts by MHarris and read about the ultimate A314 vibe and how if you are not congruent with it than you will have BAD results. > > In one post he points out how few people will actually interact with someone wearing A314 because they will feel intimidated by that VIP respect vibe and yet we are recommending it to a shy user. That’s just assinine! > > Personally I believe A314 should be reserved for those users who are Alpha and made to stand out as a true leader of pheromones for that true leader of men. I realize this might actually have the opposite effect on people. Oh they say I shouldn’t wear it so I will buy it and wear it. > > But at least then there will be sufficient notice to that person why no one is talking to them. I have to admit when I first found out about A314, thats how I took the sales pitch - _“Instantly Gain Respect at Work”_ After reading some posts as encouraged by yourself and Visionary, I think I’m a little better informed now on the purpose of A314. I’ll definitely be more aware when using it anyway. Probably a good thing I only just recieved mine, it might have been wasted otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![lemmerdeur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2bfe46/32.png) [@lemmerdeur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lemmerdeur)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2008, 4:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/20 "2008-01-03T04:29:32Z")
Although I just received a box full of various products, I’ve been playing mostly with A314 and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) for both work and play. I need to figure out how much is the right amount of each for me. Two drops of A314 in the hair and a spray of Shine on each wrist and one on the chest today seemed to keep me in a GREAT mood, but so did 3 and 3 last week. I also got unprecedented levels of cooperation at work. I’m not surprised by this, as it only enhanced what is a pretty natural order of things. I will continue with these or similar application levels for the rest of the week, and will supplement with some Ammo which is on the way starting next week. My hunch is that I am in need of some -none to really kick things up a bit, and that I may end up using quite a bit of -none with these two. Frankly, I cannot see how any rational person could suffer the illusion that being a cowering, simpering wimp and wearing some bottled mones will somehow get them to kick sand in the beach bully’s face and get back the girl. You have to walk tall, back straight, and look 'em in the eyes to begin with, the mones will just make you look convincing performing this little act. Really, if I learned anything in my previous and (brief) current experiences, it’s that the most important effect of all these magickal elixirf [sic] is the effect on the wearer. They turn you into a much better actor, because they give you the true talent of the convincing actor: they help you fool yourself. They remove, via a mild euphoria, that lingering doubt about whether you really are the stand-tall ball breaker with the heavy hand and the soft touch. They let you look into the eyes of a person convincingly, and convey the message _doubt me not, I can own you, but I don’t need to_. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428.md?page=2)