# Why oh why? This is serious stuff for serious users **URL:** \ **Category:** A314 Insider's Club\ **Created:** [November 5, 2007, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428 "2007-11-05T23:30:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2008, 7:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/21 "2008-01-03T07:26:16Z")
> [@lemmerdeur](#): > > Although I just received a box full of various products, I’ve been playing mostly with A314 and Instant Shine for both work and play. I need to figure out how much is the right amount of each for me. > > Two drops of A314 in the hair and a spray of Shine on each wrist and one on the chest today seemed to keep me in a GREAT mood, but so did 3 and 3 last week. I also got unprecedented levels of cooperation at work. I’m not surprised by this, as it only enhanced what is a pretty natural order of things. I will continue with these or similar application levels for the rest of the week, and will supplement with some Ammo which is on the way starting next week. > > My hunch is that I am in need of some -none to really kick things up a bit, and that I may end up using quite a bit of -none with these two. > > Frankly, I cannot see how any rational person could suffer the illusion that being a cowering, simpering wimp and wearing some bottled pheromones will somehow get them to kick sand in the beach bully’s face and get back the girl. You have to walk tall, back straight, and look 'em in the eyes to begin with, the pheromones will just make you look convincing performing this little act. > > Really, if I learned anything in my previous and (brief) current experiences, it’s that the most important effect of all these magickal elixirf [sic] is the effect on the wearer. They turn you into a much better actor, because they give you the true talent of the convincing actor: they help you fool yourself. They remove, via a mild euphoria, that lingering doubt about whether you really are the stand-tall ball breaker with the heavy hand and the soft touch. They let you look into the eyes of a person convincingly, and convey the message _doubt me not, I can own you, but I don’t need to_. A314, or any oil-based product, applied to your hair, will build up. When you went back to “2”, did you thoroughly shampoo your hair? Also, i strongly suggest NOT putting anything with androstenone (e.g. Ammo) in your hair. ---
**Author:** ![lemmerdeur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2bfe46/32.png) [@lemmerdeur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lemmerdeur)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2008, 9:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/22 "2008-01-03T21:00:14Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > A314, or any oil-based product, applied to your hair, will build up. When you went back to “2”, did you thoroughly shampoo your hair? > > Also, i strongly suggest NOT putting anything with androstenone (e.g. Ammo) in your hair. Always thoroughly shampoo the hair… and A314 is the only thing that goes in the hair because it is an oil. The none will always go on the chest. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 8:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/23 "2008-01-04T08:36:44Z")
> [@lemmerdeur](#): > > Always thoroughly shampoo the hair… and A314 is the only thing that goes in the hair because it is an oil. The none will always go on the chest. My none goes usually on my neck.. ---
**Author:** ![GoldenForest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c57346/32.png) [@GoldenForest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GoldenForest)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 5:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/24 "2008-01-24T05:57:49Z")
From what I have seen so far, the A314 does intimidate women and men, but the highly confident and often highly attractive women react a bit differently, so far they have consistently either opened me or acknowledged my presence immediately which would give a wide open chance to start a conversation. Also, higher value males tend to challenge you for your authority in one way or another but they tend not to put up a very persistent fight, if you act congruent with your image they and everyone else just kind of goes with it In that, I agree with Steve on the aspect that it is being overly hyped as a cure-all, but I wouldn’t go as far as to say that it is bad for a first timer or as an introduction to pheromones, I would actually say its a very good way to introduce people to them! Its more of an example of what mixing pheromones and dosages of them can do for you, it has definite results that are hard not to notice and often has noticeable effects on the user and in both cases its usually a positive effect ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 1:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/25 "2008-01-24T13:05:16Z")
> [@GoldenForest](#): > > Also, higher value males tend to challenge you for your authority in one way or another but they tend not to put up a very persistent fight, if you act congruent with your image they and everyone else just kind of goes with it Totally agree! I have experimented that many times and wrritten that in the forum lots of times 😉 ---
**Author:** ![lemmerdeur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2bfe46/32.png) [@lemmerdeur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lemmerdeur)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 12:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/26 "2008-01-25T00:36:03Z")
Phoenix and Tater, thanks for the tips, I’m testing out different locations for A314 to see where I get the best responses. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/27 "2008-01-25T02:57:31Z")
From my experience of wearing A314 almost daily I am convinced it is a complex product. As I stated in my thread A314 and Bosshank, given my personality and pherosignature, it tends to create space around me that I must consciously act or use more [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) to overcome. Based on my experience I pretty much agree with SteveO in that I personally would not recommend it to a young (under 25?) guy unless he was very alpha nor to someone who is shy or reserved or really to most new users. This is part becuase of the effects above, in part because it is complex and I think you need some experience with pheromones to sort out what is happening, and part because of the need for congruency. I am not sure how A314 would work if you are not or do not act like THE MAN. Not in an arrogant way. But in a I am here way. For example - even in college as a freshman I was mistaken for a junior or senior. Not only by quite a few coeds but even by some of the professors who should have known better. My freshman year in college I had a female (a senior) actually tell a good friend of mine from my hometown (who was also a senior in college) that she was irked at me because I walked around like I owned the place. Well, I was paying tuition. So I did own the place in a matter of speaking. And I certainly did not feel like I needed to make way for someone just because they were a senior. But that is little old laid-back alpha me. But the main point is I do not believe A314 will really work if you are not a I’m in charge kind of person. You may give off that signal but if you do not act accordingly, it will all fall apart. ---
**Author:** ![fbadams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fbadams](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fbadams)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/28 "2008-03-08T20:53:07Z")
Stevo: I happen to agree. I recently received my A314 which I ordered because I love to experiment with life, lol. I am an alpha, and love to interact with both men and women. Married 26 years, 2 children and 1 grandchild. What on earth do I want A314 - more life!!! I practiced law for 18 years, retired and started consulting. Now I am a major principal in one oil & gas company and 100% owner in an o&g exploration/drilling company. Probably an understatement to say I have no trouble getting people to see things as I do. Success is what I do and have a good track record - but the idea of pheromones intrigues me to no end. (I need to borrow $1.25M this coming week for a new rig and so I think I’ll try to emphasize my presentation with extra help 😉 One other tidbit about me: I am 59 but most people take me to be in my mid to late 40s. Wonder if I am naturally blessed with chemicals that keep me young and virile? Sexually I continue to be active on almost a daily basis. Recently, I caught the flu in Oklahoma (first time id 15 or so years) and refrained for a week for obvious reasons. Boy was I out of sorts until my wife said she couldn’t stand me so bearish and accommodated our mutual needs. Also, I do like the way other men react around me when I’ve worn A314. My business partner was practically on his knees, lol. I look forward to observing A314 over the next several weeks or months and see how it affects me and those others around me. ---
**Author:** ![thesecret](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/97f17d/32.png) [@thesecret](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thesecret)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/29 "2008-03-13T18:03:16Z")
I read somewhere that if you put A314 on your hair, it will add up if you don´t wash your hair with shampoo every day… Is that possible? Does A314 really work for days?🙄 hm ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 6:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/30 "2008-03-14T06:37:04Z")
> [@thesecret](#): > > I read somewhere that if you put A314 on your hair, it will add up if you don´t wash your hair with shampoo every day… Is that possible? Does A314 really work for days?🙄 hm It’s because of the hair. If you apply a314 on your neck it won’t last for days.. ---
**Author:** ![thesecret](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/97f17d/32.png) [@thesecret](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thesecret)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 7:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/31 "2008-03-14T07:56:18Z")
So why not always put it on your hair? 😃 😃 I mean if you want to wear it every day 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 9:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/32 "2008-03-14T09:10:59Z")
> [@thesecret](#): > > So why not always put it on your hair? 😃 😃 I mean if you want to wear it every day 😃 😃 I prefer to choose what to wear every day.. 😃 besides I’ll be getting a haircut today 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Elaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5e9695/32.png) [@Elaye](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Elaye)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/33 "2008-03-17T20:59:29Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > Personally I believe A314 should be reserved for those users who are Alpha and made to stand out as a true leader of pheromones for that true leader of men. I realize this might actually have the opposite effect on people. Oh they say I shouldn’t wear it so I will buy it and wear it. One solution would be to interview potential customers in some reliable manner, much like a doctor recommending medication, to see if one would indeed be an acceptable recipient. Certainly this would turn away customers, which brings us back to one of your earlier points, that _is_ just asinine, in a strict capitalist sense. Clearly, the validity of A314’s use is more important to you. If I had to, I would probably agree. However, this is all subjective. Alpha males shouldn’t need an extra edge, or should they? Such is a nature of competition, one starts and we all _have_ to start. There is also the subject of reality, when looking at a hierarchy of male power, I bet only _lowly_ alphas peruse and post on internet message boards. Whereas the owners of the Federal Bank, World Bank or other such people with extreme amounts of massive societal power are sun bathing on their islands, far away from this website. Mr. Nerd doesn’t need to get beat down even more for using A314 correct? This, dare I say _spiritual_ alpha male complex is indeed a powerful one if you choose to embrace it, of that there is no question. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/34 "2008-03-18T18:27:02Z")
Before we continue speaking about the way we present ourselves with A314, let me ask this: Why are all the threads in the A314 Forum Negative or Cautionary? In the Men’s forum the praise of A314 is lauded on, and yet in the insiders forum a the reality is much different. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/35 "2008-03-18T18:51:14Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > Before we continue speaking about the way we present ourselves with A314, let me ask this: Why are all the threads in the A314 Forum Negative or Cautionary? > > In the Men’s forum the praise of A314 is lauded on, and yet in the insiders forum a the reality is much different. I think you might have a perspective on the threads in the insider’s forum that is different from mine. Go through and count the positive vs negative ones. It’s true of course that if you experiment wildly with A314 and use it in non-standard ways and doses that you sometimes you’ll get unhelpful though often interesting results. ---
**Author:** ![crazy\_comet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crazy_comet/32/1005_2.png) [@crazy\_comet](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crazy_comet)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/36 "2008-07-03T23:58:35Z")
Hello. This is my fisrt post in the A314 forum. This thread (i believe) prevented me from doing a fatal mistake. I bougth A314, and i haven’t used it yet, and i glad i didn’t, because i think i am not prepared to use it, at least for now. I’m not an alpha male in nature. Unfortunately, i think i am quite the opposite. I am very shy, and usually ovoid looking into other peoples eyes. Sometimes people even make fun out of me, if you get what I mean. Now the question I ask is simple: if I wear A314 could it get any worse? From what you have said, the worse that might happen is things remaining the same. So, why not try it? Some of you even said it has some self effects that rise the confidence of the user, which would be good for me. So, should I use it? And if I do, what should my posture/attitude be like? I have a felling I should practice it a bit… ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2008, 6:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/37 "2008-07-04T06:15:04Z")
> [@crazy\_comet](#): > > Hello. This is my fisrt post in the A314 forum. > > This thread (i believe) prevented me from doing a fatal mistake. I bougth A314, and i haven’t used it yet, and i glad i didn’t, because i think i am not prepared to use it, at least for now. > > I’m not an alpha male in nature. Unfortunately, i think i am quite the opposite. I am very shy, and usually ovoid looking into other peoples eyes. Sometimes people even make fun out of me, if you get what I mean. > > Now the question I ask is simple: if I wear A314 could it get any worse? From what you have said, the worse that might happen is things remaining the same. So, why not try it? Some of you even said it has some self effects that rise the confidence of the user, which would be good for me. > > So, should I use it? And if I do, what should my posture/attitude be like? I have a felling I should practice it a bit… Welcome. 🙂 A314 won’t bite. 😃 We just like to caution people because A314 creates distance and not everyone knows how to overcome that distance. There’s no harm in trying it out, just be aware that A314 won’t bring people to you. Often, that’s usually what shy people are looking for, thus A314 not being the best product to begin with. If you want to give it a try, then try it. After all, you bought it already. I believe congruency is necessary, but that you can also learn to become congruent over time, based on self-effects, but more importantly, the new experiences you get from using new products. I’d say, walk tall, hold eye contact calmly, speak clearly, and be comfortable talking when ever, where ever, with whoever, about whatever. Try it and let us know what you think. Start from 1 drop and go up after a couple days. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2008, 3:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/38 "2008-07-22T15:44:58Z")
Simply said… if you are going to talk the talk… you must walk the walk. I think there are alot of ways to be congruent with the “Alpha” vibe that A314 projects. You don’t necessarily need the ball-busting in your face confidence that one typically associates with Alpha behaviour for it to be effective. Personally I tend to exhibit a quiet confidence - At work I don’t need to explicitly express confidence in my work, because I communicate that confidence with a kind of sureness in what I have done. I’ve found A314 works very well with that “sureness” - I was already known as being extremely competent in my workplace - with A314 I find that belief in my ability from others is amplified. In short - I’ve found that a sincere belief in yourself is sufficient to show congruence with A314’s vibe, at least in a professional work environment. (It probably helps that I work in an engineering office… while I may only be an averagely social person, engineers tend to be rather below average - making me an above averagely social engineer) ---
**Author:** ![Tenant](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tenant/32/1668_2.png) [@Tenant](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tenant)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2008, 9:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/39 "2008-07-24T09:43:52Z")
If anything, I think SteveO’s original concern is a bigger problem with [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/). At least with guys. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2008, 1:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428/40 "2008-07-24T13:20:54Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > Simply said… if you are going to talk the talk… you must walk the walk. > > I think there are alot of ways to be congruent with the “Alpha” vibe that A314 projects. You don’t necessarily need the ball-busting in your face confidence that one typically associates with Alpha behaviour for it to be effective. > > Personally I tend to exhibit a quiet confidence - At work I don’t need to explicitly express confidence in my work, because I communicate that confidence with a kind of sureness in what I have done. > > I’ve found A314 works very well with that “sureness” - I was already known as being extremely competent in my workplace - with A314 I find that belief in my ability from others is amplified. > > In short - I’ve found that a sincere belief in yourself is sufficient to show congruence with A314’s vibe, at least in a professional work environment. > > (It probably helps that I work in an engineering office… while I may only be an averagely social person, engineers tend to be rather below average - making me an above averagely social engineer) I agree with this. I think almost every guy has got some ‘alpha’ aspect of themselves that can definitely be amplified by the A314. Wrlprchnx is extremely competent in his workplace whereas I probably am not ‘extremely’ competent in my current workplace. On the other hand, I am always thoughtfully and passionately plotting and scheming and whatever else- ‘a man with a plan’. Now the A314 is definitely of use to me in amplifying this ‘alpha’ (or perhaps as Wrlprchnx calls it ‘a sincere belief in yourself’) aspect of my personality… [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-oh-why-this-is-serious-stuff-for-serious-users/6428.md?page=3)