# Why would someone do this? Am I bad person? **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 9:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960 "2009-07-24T09:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/81 "2009-07-26T20:59:27Z")
straight-forwardness doent make you correct. it just means you want everyone to know what your beliefs are- again and again and again. your lectures on light and dark, on duality and negativity _is only a lecture._ your truth. we KNOW your truth, your a witch, we got that loud and clear. the problem , if there is one, is that we are not all working with the same tool set here. some have more info than others. alot of words around here dont match the actions, because ALOT of FOCUS here is on words… i dig the words. but they dont match the actions. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/82 "2009-07-26T21:00:57Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Very true Xev. I am not sure which issue your referring to now because there are so many deleted posts pertaining to everything we are talking about in this thread but its all there in black and white. > > Tisha a big LOL only what is allowed is in black and white. what is left are pieces. only pieces. ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/83 "2009-07-26T21:10:11Z")
> [@Twinkletoes](#): > > I must agree with the young mssleva on this one. I apologize for my part in letting it go as far as it did. Me too. I deleted my last post which only added to the off-topicness. ---
**Author:** ![Twinkletoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4da419/32.png) [@Twinkletoes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twinkletoes)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/84 "2009-07-26T21:59:52Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > a big LOL > > only what is allowed is in black and white. > > what is left are pieces. > > only pieces. OK, I’m sorry, but I had to LOL on this one…so true, so true… ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/85 "2009-07-26T22:53:09Z")
> [@msselva](#): > > I honestly didn’t want to post anything anymore in this thread so excuse me kitsune for dropping back again, I wont post anything after this here. > > Anyhow, I really wanted to say > > **To:** > > tisha23, twinkletoes, and lor. > > You guys are great, wonderful people, and I have great respect for you guys. But I think this discussion is going out of hand. And I really hate seeing my fav’t people talking in a not so healthy way. > > The initial post is about: > > This is basically about a kid being banned at the other place and feeling bad about it. We advised her what to do, and she hasn’t called them yet. It’s her problem. Let’s give her some fresh air and time to make her own decision. Yea, she made her mistake, let _her_ fix it. _She’s a big girl now._ > > This discussion is going out of hand and most importantly is not even close to what the point of this whole post is about. Now it’s more like androtics vs. the other place. > > Business and customers are 2 different things. Some may love androtics others may hate it. Same thing with the other place. Who knows, it’s their beeswax and let them be. If they love it, great. If they don’t then geeze, those people need to get over it instead of stirring up more drama. > > I personally think this post should be locked cause it’s getting f\*\*ked up and the last page isn’t even close to what the original post is about. > > Ciao, I’m outta here. Hey, nothing against you, your a cool person and all, but no post isn’t without it’s off topicness and while the matter at hand has been thought through by both me and my sister I still had to speak my piece and nothing said here has gone too far from what I can see. It’s all just truth. Which was the main point of my post. I was trying to get out the truth. And now that we know that I never lied I think it’s come down to what exactly I wanted to say and exactly what I wanted people to know. If someone else does say something else against me I will defend myself. You may think I’m embarrassing myself or whatever you call it, but I have my way of doing things and you have yours, and I’d rather stand up for myself then let people call me a liar and a TROLL. ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/86 "2009-07-26T23:10:56Z")
Dear Kitsune, you may talk all you want to me but I’m not going to talk back relating this topic. I have said enough. I addressed my previous post to the three people I mentioned there. They are more mature, and I hope they understand. Stand up for yourself as long as you want, I honestly have other things to do. Ciao. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/87 "2009-07-27T00:13:30Z")
> [@](#): > > straight-forwardness doent make you correct. Didnt say it did. > [@](#): > > it just means you want everyone to know what your beliefs are- > again > and again > and again. What else would one talk about other then there beliefs and opinions. How come when I state my opinion you almost always feel threatened by it and have need to insult me ? I just don’t get it and we went through this before on other subjects. It seems like the only opinions that counts to you are the ones that match your own. > [@](#): > > your lectures on light and dark, on duality and negativity > _is only a lecture._ I am sorry you don’t like my posting style. I wasn’t lecturing on purpose I was just sharing my opinion on a subject that came up. The censoring of LP on the forum. I cant write in little snippets and witty little phrases like you its just not me. I bring up light and dark a lot because it is a belief ingrained in me. Just like other people bring up things that are close to them. > [@](#): > > we KNOW your truth, > your a witch, > we got that loud and clear. What does that have to do with the conversation. I never mentioned it in this post and I don’t recall even talking about truth. Your gonna judge me for that to ? > [@](#): > > the problem , if there is one, is that we are not all working with the same tool set here. > > some have more info than others. Your right, there is a lot I wont and cant say out of respect for both sides you don’t have a lot of info other then what certain members have told you. I went though all of the episodes with first hand knowledge of what was happening, > [@](#): > > a big LOL > > only what is allowed is in black and white. > > what is left are pieces. > > only pieces. > [@](#): > > alot of words around here dont match the actions, > because ALOT of FOCUS here is on words… Its a forum of course we focus on words. Nope all forums are spidered almost daily and the posts filed even the deleted ones. You just have to know where to find them. First thing they taught me in my first moderator job. There are other places besides way back to access them to. I do agree with the girls though let it go before more bitterness is created. Kitsune the best thing to do is talk to Mara. She will explain the rules to you and why what happened happened, and then its her decision because its her forum, She is the only one who can help at this point and the only one whose opinion matters on it. I just talked to her myself by email and she is very nice but then again she has always been very nice never a bad judgemental word about anyone . 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/88 "2009-07-27T00:30:36Z")
i finally realized what company you are talking about after all the names were dropped and i did some searching…all i know is ordered from them once and never again…it took them over a month to ship the product to me, what horrible customer service, and I am in the US ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 3:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/89 "2009-07-27T03:55:37Z")
Er it says it takes about two weeks or more to get a product lol I always read a sellers shipping page. BPAL has the same policy its pretty common for custom blended oils. As for witches or otherwise. I’m not going to judge someones religious practices mainstream or otherwise I have my own beliefs and that’s fine for me let the rest of the world think what it wants or needs to. Although I will say I’m particularly fond of Buddhists. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 8:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/90 "2009-07-27T08:32:31Z")
> [@denec](#): > > i finally realized what company you are talking about after all the names were dropped and i did some searching…all i know is ordered from them once and never again…it took them over a month to ship the product to me, what horrible customer service, and I am in the US Actually denec Electra is right. Custom made oils can take a while and they have a pretty good tat time over there. 2 weeks is good compared to most companies who custom make there oils. You dont see a lot of oils here because of the work that go’s into it. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 10:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/91 "2009-07-27T10:07:04Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Actually denec Electra is right. Custom made oils can take a while and they have a pretty good tat time over there. 2 weeks is good compared to most companies who custom make there oils. > > You dont see a lot of oils here because of the work that go’s into it. > > Tisha but mine was not a custom blend it was an unscented phero that they got from stone phero sort of like SOE, i cannot even remember the name that would have been fine if they said up front it would take 1 month, but they never said it would take that long. It did say 14 days, but over a month is ridiculous. I forgot how long exactly but it was definitely over a month EDIT: I just checked all my emails out of curiosity ( i keep all my emails since they give you like 3 TB now or something like that LOL) and I ordered on March 7th, and received it on April 9th ---
**Author:** ![chads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@chads](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chads)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 4:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/92 "2009-07-28T04:14:54Z")
> [@Twinkletoes](#): > > Tisha, with all due respect, this issue has nothing to do with banning the mention of other companies’ names. This is Androtics’ forum and if they want to be that petty to censor their members’ speech, then so be it. > > The issues I was mentioning was when AIL and DOLLY got tossed from the forum. Remember them? You seem to forget that Ail was tossed from here for an issue that had NOTHING to do with mentining another companies’ name. Also, Dolly had her panties in a bunch for a while about the whole censorship issue, but she seemed to let it go, and just stopped posting regularly here. When she did post, she would refrain from mentioning the other company’s name. She was still a member though, and would pop in and read occassionally, from what I understand. > > Some of my other phero using friends told me recently that they came here to do some research on previously purchased pheros, and all of Dolly’s testing reports and posts were gone. All of them. It appears that she has been erased. Even threads that still remain up and active have only her posts removed from those threads. That is very deliberate and cannot be lumped under the “purging old info” heading or anything else. > > You talk about a “fued”…Happykitsune was **NOT** caught in crossfire. The other company’s owners care NOT what goes on in this forum. Some of the members over there cross over and use products from both places too, and this fact is well-known over there. That other company even makes a number of products available that have Androtics’ pheros in them. And, Androtics is always given credit on the labeling. > > Happykitsune was banned for breaking the rules about having two accounts on the same ip and not notifying the owners, **NOT** because she is a member of pherotalk. She could have cleared it up with one phone call to the owners there, who I am sure would have made concessions. NOW, on the other side of the coin, Ail was removed from Pherotalk for speaking the truth, and none of Dolly’s friends can figure out WHY she was erased…she was following the censorship rules and was not being inflammatory. Yet, ALL of her posts have removed. Even when she was following the rules. Go figure. As I recall, Ail was only banned from the Men’s Forum. That, for attacking PUAs. She was repeatedly warned it was against Men’ forum rules. After she was banned from the Men’s forum she left the site and demanded all her posts be removed. ---
**Author:** ![Twinkletoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4da419/32.png) [@Twinkletoes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twinkletoes)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 10:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/93 "2009-07-28T10:38:10Z")
> [@chads](#): > > As I recall, Ail was only banned from the Men’s Forum. That, for attacking PUAs. She was repeatedly warned it was against Men’ forum rules. After she was banned from the Men’s forum she left the site and demanded all her posts be removed. NOT correct. She is a very close friend of mine. She was banned from the **ENTIRE community**. That was when she requested that her posts be removed. BUT, they only changed her username and would not remove her posts. And, just for the record, she did not do the attacking. It was the other way around. She was called some very vile and ugly things, and only entered the dicussion in the first place because it was a discussion that had several men AND women involved in it. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 1:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/94 "2009-07-28T13:00:19Z")
> [@Twinkletoes](#): > > And, just for the record, she did not do the attacking. It was the other way around. She was called some very vile and ugly things, and only entered the dicussion in the first place because it was a discussion that had several men AND women involved in it. The hell she didn’t!!! Before you correct others and set records straight, you should know what you’re talking about. She may be a good friend of yours, but she made a lot of enemies here! ---
**Author:** ![Twinkletoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4da419/32.png) [@Twinkletoes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Twinkletoes)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 1:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/95 "2009-07-28T13:41:09Z")
Oh, I know the story, as I read all of the posts and the whole discussion. It seems that this is a community that I don’t wish to be a part of. Over and out. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/96 "2009-07-28T13:54:28Z")
> [@Twinkletoes](#): > > Oh, I know the story, as I read all of the posts and the whole discussion. It seems that this is a community that I don’t wish to be a part of. Over and out. Heard that a couple of times now, yet you keep coming back. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/97 "2009-07-28T17:15:26Z")
> [@chads](#): > > As I recall, Ail was only banned from the Men’s Forum. That, for attacking PUAs. She was repeatedly warned it was against Men’ forum rules. After she was banned from the Men’s forum she left the site and demanded all her posts be removed. Almost. She was _originally_ only banned from the Men’s Forum, but kept posting gripes in the other sections so was banned from the entire site. She also got banned over at Love Scent. It’s kind of too bad 'cause I really liked her until she went nuts. ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 6:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/98 "2009-07-28T18:58:08Z")
> [@Twinkletoes](#): > > Oh, I know the story, as I read all of the posts and the whole discussion. It seems that this is a community that I don’t wish to be a part of. Over and out. The feeling is entirely mutual. Thank you so very much for leaving. Please stay gone this time. Adios. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/99 "2009-07-28T20:35:38Z")
Oh for christs sake knock it off. Yes she posted in the mens section in one of the PUA threads and got into a heated discussion that resulted in name calling on both sides. She was banned from only the mens section of the forum because it clearly indicates at the top of both the womens and the mens forum that if you cant play nice in the opposite genders respective forum to stay out of them. Rule is still posted in both stickies. This is easily proven by using google to search wayback archives. Once in the site search [Pherotalk.com](http://Pherotalk.com) and its all there in black and white. Those posts can not be removed by Androtics from the internet archives even once deleted here. All forums and websites for that matter are spidered. The men however were not banned because they did not violate the rules and they stayed in the mens forum. But I will say in Ail’s defense a few of them were down right disgusting and mean and were as much responsible for the whole episode as Ail was. After all fire wont burn without fuel and they did not hesitate to fuel it. If I were moderator back then all of them would have been banned but I wasn’t. It was not fair to just ban her but in this forum the men have always gotten preferential treatment. (edited to add)… Neither Steve nor I were involved with the forum other then members and both of us tried to change the preferential treatment here after he became admin and I became mod. After that she was harassed by PM from what I understand and the rest I am not privy to and occurred between her and Jasmin which resulted her being banned from the rest of the forum and the change of her name. She may have requested that part I am not sure but I know she didn’t feel welcome safe or comfortable here any longer. > [@](#): > > Oh, I know the story, as I read all of the posts and the whole discussion. It seems that this is a community that I don’t wish to be a part of. Over and out. Unless you were here for it no you do not know the whole story Dj. But just as you pointed out to me over and over in the beginning of this thread that happykitsune violated a posted rule over there and this is why she was banned. Ail violated a posted rule here and now you are also boardering on it as well. Course we will give you a warning first. Now you are certainly welcome to be a part of the community here if you choose to but if your just coming over to stir up trouble then you know where the X button is. I will say that I do understand why Mara banned Happykitsune because of the rule violation and inconsistent information she had posted over there but I know kitsune and it was not done to cause distress in the forum over there. Granted rules are rules and as many of us pointed out she needs to contact Mara. It is her forum and she has the right to protect and run it as she see’s fit. However your coming here and dragging up old hurtful business that I am sure Ail would not want to relive just has one purpose. To cause distress in our forum. It also can result in more hurtful things being said about her which is just not fair to her. I know you care for her and you want to defend and support your friend just as we care for kitsune and want to support and defend her. As I stated before let the bitter fueding end. There are good people in both forums. Both places have good products. Everyone not just the people there but the people here need to forgive and move on. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![chads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@chads](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chads)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/why-would-someone-do-this-am-i-bad-person/30960/100 "2009-07-28T22:09:39Z")
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