Yep, there should be a post up here right now. Should be somewhere above this post.
I’m sorry about that. They do seem very defensive about their company and it’s products 
Maybe they thought I was trying to bad mouth their company because I was skeptical. All I wanted was help tho 
heh well
the company that called me a spy wasnt the one you are reffering to!
they know who they are 
around here they are considered a great forum, yet somehow i was a spy for here !
lol go figure.
honestly, i cant see how your post over there was trying to help, but then again im thick.
i can totally see how flags could be raised over there,
not knowing your product was from a member,
when you stated it was sold from them.
misunderstanding happen everywhere.
no forum is immune.
Then I guess I have no idea who your talking about. The only places I know of are that place and LS. And I can’t say anything about LS because I’ve never been apart of that community.
Not trying to help, trying to get help. I’ve done the same thing here at Androtics, like with MX138. I was genuinely concerned about it not working because even if I do trust a company I realize that there are some slip ups occasionally. I was even willing to test out their old batch and new one to compare and see if something was wrong. No harm done. We do stuff like this all the time. I do this with stuff that’s about $20…with MX138 it’s okay because what’s $20. And who knows, I still need to test it. But when I purchase something that is over $100 then you bet I’m gonna be asking questions and being skeptical after I’ve tested it several times and even had someone else test it with no results. I never was bad mouthing their company or the product. I’m just a concerned customer who likes to know that the first thing she orders will do what it says it does.
It was sold from them. And that’s all they needed to know. People dilute and dilute and dilute all the time and we never question them on if they bought it from Androtics or another place. It was a big misunderstanding, but could have been avoided if people would have asked questions first before banning me and my sister.
Obviously, you were not clear with your post over there. And mentioned a product that didn’t ever exist and tried to compare it with a product that does exist currently with their line. The owners at that place probably smelled trouble.
But now that you mentioned that you got it from here…that’s something else.
P.S: is your sister in this forum? I’m just curious 
People in that forum are really big on honesty, kindness and generosity. It’s the exact same thing in androtics, lol pretend a mod here figures out that someone has been having 2 accounts…oh-la-la they are in for serious trouble.
And you need to drop this, there are members here that are members there…so seriously like I said you’re just making yourself look a bit bad. Just my honesty here.
Apparently after you were banned, either you or your sister registered again. That was not smart my love. I assume you guys didn’t call them since they didn’t approve of you to become a member again.
If you felt so hurt and upset about it, why couldn’t you call them? you didn’t talk about calling them at all. Communication is key to fix any misunderstandings. Emailing them is not going to make it any better imho. Anyhow, it’s up to you, and your sister.
LOL well…androtics gives GCs for members, plus referral points. So you got to be careful there if you guys are living in the same place.
LP does give free samples (around 2-3) for each member every month (which is pretty crazy these samples are worth $5 each imagine getting them free for every month…that’s like $120 out the door for each customer multiply that by a few hundred. I don’t blame them for trying to keep their environment friendly and throll-free, I’m not saying that you are one. But they want their members/customers to feel comfortable.
let me quote you sweetie
Er, I think you meant LP here…lol right? how is that not bad, honey? 
Just my two cents, now I will shut up and go to bed it’s like 2am lol
Guess I wasn’t clear. Just wish they would have let me explain myself before they banned me. Would have been nice to be apart of another community… oh well
That’s the whole point. I wanted members there to read this so I could let them know I wasn’t lying and my intentions were nothing but good. I have never lied on Androtics. Why would I lie there or anywhere else?
She just emailed them today. I’ll let her know she should call to get her account back.
As far as Mickaelia know’s we are two people using two different accounts. So theres no confusion there that I know of
Exactly, I’m not one. And I’m sorry if I made anyone feel uncomfortable for asking questions.
Hi Twinkletoes, since this is your only post let me say welcome to pherotalk. I hope you’ll post an introduction. It sounds like you are an experienced user. I look forward to your valuable contributions!
I totally get what you are saying about people who don’t tell the truth. LOL I was recently reading a forum, completely unrelated but a good example, and it was so surreal. These people were talking about using techniques like IP cloaking and whatnot to access forums from which they had previously been banned. The kicker was this was taking place in a thread berating people who lie. Isn’t that a hoot?
Anyway I hope that Happykitsune understands that forums have to protect themselves to maintain the trust of their members, and I hope things work out for the best.
Thank you for the welcome. Yes, I am a very experienced user, and have used pheros from many different companies.
I don’t have much time to be hanging out on forums, but I do like to visit them from time to time. The only reason I stepped in on this discussion was because I was familiar with the situation, and Happykitsune was asking for answers. So, I told her what I knew.
Bottom line, Happykitsune, in the future, you should call the company to find out the problem and not continually try to re-regsiter. That just makes it look even more fishy.
I would think that if someone actually burned the calories necessary to IP cloak,
either this forum was thier life and they are in need of serious medication,
or they too felt something very fishy was going on
that may require a remedy-
especially if untruths are being told.
I would feel bad if someone said something about me that wasnt true,
if I thought we were friends.
To say “oh this is just a forum,get a life”
is plainly not accurate,
if there are relationships forged by sharing personal information.
This alone would have me looking into the “why’s and where’s”, if only to feel better,and know who my friends really are.
I actually have forged friendships through this forum that continue outside of here.
Personal.
For years.
I have also had people accuse me of stuff I didnt do, including having 2 IP adresses and two personalities on here when it wasnt accurate.
When it was cleared up, 2 of these so-called nice people didnt have the BALLS to apologise.
Isnt that a hoot?
so, if you recieved something from me
that i got from here,
and i decided to dilute it,
all Androtics would need to know when you complained is that you got the stuff from them?
you dont think they NEED to know that someone messed with it first???
seriously?
EXACTLY what I am saying! You are going to take a product that has been adulterated or otherwise messed with, and then say it works or it doesn’t, and blame that on the company. Well, that doesn’t make sense at all.
The statement of “that’s all they needed to know” is totally off the wall and untrue. If you were as “experienced” at pheros as you say you are, you would realize this. Think about it logically. You were asking for help with a product that you purchased from them, as opposed to one that you got from god knows where. Giving all of the information in a question where you are comparing products will help you get information. You cannot expect people to help if you are unclear or untruthful.
That is just some advice that you may use as you will.
All the person did was dilute it, and I wasn’t questioning the diluted EST, I was questioning the one that wasn’t diluted, the one that I had bought recently. The one that they claimed would work right away.
The situation your painting would be if I had questioned the bottle that I received from the person here, but I wasn’t. The bottle I got from the person here works just fine which is why I purchased from that company and which is why I was so skeptical. When after several times of it not working and then people saying I was trying to say bad things about products. And it made me wonder if they were afraid people would find out something, because I’ve never known Androtics to be that defensive. We all just laugh a little and try to turn people into believer. But no, I don’t think their products are bad at all and I was willing to test it out more.
I really wish you guys wouldn’t twist my words. All I want is understanding.
All the facts are there, nothing was changed and I still stand by what I say. Read the post before me.
lol…like I said…you’re just making matters worse for yourself.
You need to stop defending yourself in this forum about another forum, I honestly don’t see how it’s helping or going to help you.
Call them and make it clear to them or just drop the whole thing.
Hun, I can see that you are just NOT picking up what we are laying out for you. When you make a comparison and say this bottle of product works, and this one doesn’t, you need to CLEARLY state WHERE YOU bought it from…for instance, “I got it from someone who bought it from your company and then diluted it. It worked fine. I am not getting results from the new bottle that I bought DIRECTLY from your company, which is double the strength and has not been altered.”
To answer your questions on Est, there are several things that could point to your problem. Perhaps you are in the OD range on Est, perhaps the diluatant that your friend used caused a quicker diffusion, maybe the particular circumstances behind the encounters you had were to blame…so many variables could have been the cause. You came into the forum over there, gave no details, and then spouted a bunch of untrue statements.
Also, sweetie, this statement “The one that they claimed would work right away.” No company will tell you this. Everyone has different chemistries, different reactions, and NOTHING is a magic bullet.
Bottom line. WHen you go to a forum, ANY FORUM, where you are asking for help, you need to give as many HONEST, PERTINENT details about the WHOLE situation as possible. Then you may get the help you need.
Just straightening things up. If you don’t think it’s a good idea then I guess don’t come to this post. Not being harsh, just saying
You are not catching what msselva is saying either, dear. There is no way to “straighten things up” from here. These two forums, while they have members in common, are NOT affiliated. The only way to “straighten it up” is to talk to the owners OVER THERE, tell them the WHOLE story, plead your case, and let them make a decision. Period. Their phone number is on the website.
Sure thing, I need to save my breath anyways
everything in this paragraph contradicts itself.
I explained myself clearly. Read back if you have to, but I left no reason for there to be confusion on where I had bought my EST’s, when I had got them, and which one I was having problems with.
I know it’s not the OD, but I do remember the member saying they used a silk base to dilute it. Not sure if that would cause it to diffuse faster.
I’m not sure what the untrue statements were, but I think we all know that everything I stated was the truth, and that people twisted it into whatever they wanted to read.
No I know that. I meant they claimed it would work right away as it it didn’t need to be diluted my LS. That was valuable info to be because the one that had been diluted worked so if it did need to be diluted I would know why it wasn’t giving me effects.
Wow, do I have to spell out everything. I can’t leave out any detail or this happens.
Thanks for the tip.
This is a completely private opinion held by me SteveO and has nothing at all to do with Androtics Direct or my employment. I am unaware if these views are shared by anyone other than myself and as such can only speak of MY personal experiences.
LOL. I read that thread too, right before I was banned 
. It was really funny since they must be so intimidated by truth that they actually check every user to ensure nobody who might tell the truth actually gets in. It’s OK I have lots of friends who ask if I want to know about the hate filled posts that are written, but this is the company that is so loving and good and blah, blah, blah. I always tell the ones willing to share that I would rather not know at all. It’s bad for what I want out of my life to even bother with bad people with bad intentions. You are so RIGHT ON renny
I tell you some people have zero moral fiber and would never let such a thing as ethics stand in there way.:o