# wich mone can help me for somebody depressed? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 26, 2008, 6:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wich-mone-can-help-me-for-somebody-depressed/13141 "2008-05-26T18:08:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Pherosith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/59ef9b/32.png) [@Pherosith](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pherosith)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 6:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wich-mone-can-help-me-for-somebody-depressed/13141/1 "2008-05-26T18:08:56Z")
well… my girl is so kinf of depressed and i’m wondering if there are some producto that can help me with trying to make har feel better… i know that i must effort myself to help her directly but if there are something that can help me in this it woyld be very useful thanks in advance ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 6:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wich-mone-can-help-me-for-somebody-depressed/13141/2 "2008-05-26T18:16:23Z")
I dont have any personal experience with [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) and depression, but there is a good thread here: > [@Do pheromones help to overcome depressions?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromones-help-to-overcome-depressions/4761): > > I have a friend who is always in a state of depression and tried to commit suicide twice last year. Last night when I called her, she showed the symptoms. She used to come and stay with me for a few days and leave. But I also noticed that everytime she spent her time with me, she’s happy, very talkative (in nature she’s a quiet type), like to tease me and shows no signs of depression, but when she returns to her town, she becomes moody. I’m trying to figure it out if any of my [pheromones](https://a314.com/) could “… ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wich-mone-can-help-me-for-somebody-depressed/13141/3 "2008-05-26T18:26:50Z")
> [@mockingbird](#): > > I dont have any personal experience with pheromone and depression, but there is a good thread here: > [Do pheromones help to overcome depressions?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromones-help-to-overcome-depressions/4761) Good link buddy 😃 That will help him out in the situation he is handling now. Reps for suggesting that link 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wich-mone-can-help-me-for-somebody-depressed/13141/4 "2008-05-26T18:29:45Z")
_maybe_ instant female magic, instant openness, or instant shine. Depression is potentially a medical condition and pheros are only temporary, though. Depression doesn’t come from feelings, it comes from biochemistry and schemas/ideas/beliefs people have about the world, that stuff isn’t so ammenable to change. One common feeling in depression is helplessness and fatalism- people feel like they are stuck and nothing they do can change anything, this is what psychologists call “learned helplessness”. It is not really a _feeling_ , it is more a belief and is not subject easily to change. If somebody is feeling hopeless, despondent or worse, they need medical help, not [pheromones](https://a314.com/). If she’s depressed about something she won’t talk about, instant openness and _maybe_ instant honesty would make her talk about it. But it won’t necessarily make her feel better. I’m experienced with depression- I’m a “depressive”, mostly seasonal, sometimes not. It is far different than just feeling “down”- I have also experienced mild hypomania in the past in response to anti-depressants- I could not sleep and had extremely rapid thoughts. I believe Data4 also has experience with depression, at least he revealed as much in one of his threads (not to call him out or draw attention to him). Alot of people with depression are very sensitive to our feelings and we have problems separating what “feels” real from what _is_ real. One thing you can do with depression is have “uncoditional positive regard” for your friend- this is a fancy way of saying “compassion”. Don’t ever say anything bad about them when they are feeling down. Forget “negs” and any “gaming” of a depressed person, or any manipulation based on their self-esteem, it will hurt them as their ego is weak. Say good things about them, and about the world/life in general and focus on the positive. If it’s too severe, get them help, or encourage them to do so if t is moderate. Don’t play “doctor” or shrink. ---
**Author:** ![Pherosith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/59ef9b/32.png) [@Pherosith](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pherosith)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wich-mone-can-help-me-for-somebody-depressed/13141/5 "2008-05-26T18:42:23Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > If she’s depressed about something she won’t talk about, instant openness and _maybe_ instant honesty would make her talk about it. But it won’t necessarily make her feel better. this is my point… i know mones will not help to the depress itself but… if is there something to help me to talk with her about it like instant openness it will help to find out how to help her in a better way… thanks ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wich-mone-can-help-me-for-somebody-depressed/13141/6 "2008-05-26T18:51:52Z")
Maybe instant honesty, not alot. One thing that hurt me is I had problems growing up as a kid, and when I had problems and tried to talk about them, my dad told me I was “being a baby” and to “suck it up” and “be a man”- I was severely moody as a teen, had loads of acne, and this was hurting my self-image, plus I moved around constantly. This is not a healthy attitude to display around people, I believe, and most psychologists would agree. It leads to depressed people feeling trapped, because now they can’t even talk about what is bothering them. Eventually I just shut down and lived with my own feelings and became very lonely and it started hurting my self-esteem, self image, and alot of other things. I’ve found some more relief in trying to be a more open person, and in return being more tolerant (liberal and “hippy”… a bit), trying to let go of bitterness, connect with other peple. I read philosophy and religious stuff and try and learn from everything and try and not automaticly shut ideas, or people out. I try and cultivate compassion and not just think about myself all the time- being self-centered and always thinking about yourself can hurt you in depression, too (Japanese Morita Therapy is a good example of a treatment that is good for this- I have several of Dr. Morita’s books). Selfishness leads to bitterness in the end, because we won’t always get everything we want, but we can always try to give something to somebody else. It is something that everybody is capable of doing, no matter what their position is in life. Rational emotive therapy also helped, and when that fails I take St. John’s Wort occasionally, or SAM-e. Depression is a very ugly disease/condition and people should take it more seriously. It hurts peoples lives and destroys relationships and potentials, to say nothing of potentially fatal consequences. Take it seriously. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wich-mone-can-help-me-for-somebody-depressed/13141/7 "2008-05-26T19:00:40Z")
I agree with Daedelus 110%. Depression isn’t something to fool around with. I’ll even up the ante by suggesting some [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and/or Honesty, PLUS counselling. The former will definitely help to make the latter more productive. -D4