# Will mone usage affect natural mone production? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 12, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362 "2014-03-12T12:52:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jayjayshie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jayjayshie/32/2165_2.png) [@jayjayshie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayjayshie)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/1 "2014-03-12T12:52:12Z")
I am 22, and I feel as if I am pumping out certain [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) naturally. Will use of artificial pheromones affect my natural pheromone production? Or any other negative side effects? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 12:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/2 "2014-03-12T12:55:24Z")
No - you are using pheros as an external supplement to your natural production. This will not affect your internal processes. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2014, 10:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/3 "2014-03-12T22:30:42Z")
Not to contradict Mobo. I can only offer you my own personal reports. I reported this on P75 in my journal. I do believe it can, possibly via GnRH and positive hypothalmic feedback. Kohl, despite some controversies on -eNone, wrote the first major consumer book on mones many years ago. His entire career has been devoted pretty much to SOE and the theory that alpha nol and androsterone are attractive to women because they show a rise in their bodies of GnRH or LH. I think he has a blog. He’s Never reluctant to talk about rone, nol and GnRH. It’s not a proven fact. But hey, get his book. Good primer on pheromones. People ask these questions all the time. This free reading below is my standard reply. I’m not interested in starting a total sh\*tstorm as happened on another thread. I can only say that he is a published author. I’d love to have him here, but I guess maybe he does his own thing now. We do have LadyScientist here, almost a qualified doctor, so maybe she’ll chime in. “The LH and T estosterone response to olfactory/pheromonal input has been repeatedly indicated or reported in findings from non-human animal studies and from human studies.” Note that this is probably a temporary response. Similar studies, I think, saw elevated T response to female copulins. If you stop using P75, the effects go away. Others (and me) have reported that P78 makes them ridiculously horny. The only hypothesis I can offer is phero binding to olfactory receptors and subsequent endocrine/androgen/ T output. Something is pushing the horny button in the brain. That would be T, which is why guys take Low T treatments for ED. The treatments are not curative. They don’t permanently restore Low T. Pheromones are hormone metabolites, so, theoretically, you’d have higher T metabolites. So, again, test reports are highly subjective. I would encourage you to research not only his papers but also critical works that cite his and those he cites. He does not think -eNone is a pheromone, although that is a very minority view among product users. He did invent SOE (one of the earliest commercial mones) based upon that research. I’m saying look at the evidence and explore the topic. I’m not a scientist, so I can only quote my own findings and readings. [James V. Kohl: The Mind’s Eyes: Human Pheromones, Neuroscience, and Male Sexual Preferences](http://www.sexarchive.info/BIB/kohl.htm#PARALLELS) ---
**Author:** ![jayjayshie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jayjayshie/32/2165_2.png) [@jayjayshie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayjayshie)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2014, 1:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/4 "2014-03-13T01:04:15Z")
Even if it does affect natural [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) production, do you think natural production will return to normal after discontinued use? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2014, 1:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/5 "2014-03-13T01:06:15Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Not to contradict Mobo. I can only offer you my own personal reports. I reported this on P75 in my journal. I do believe it can, possibly via GnRH and positive hypothalmic feedback. Kohl, despite some controversies on -eNone, wrote the first major consumer book on mones many years ago. His entire career has been devoted pretty much to SOE and the theory that alpha nol and androsterone are attractive to women because they show a rise in their bodies of GnRH or LH. I think he has a blog. He’s Never reluctant to talk about rone, nol and GnRH. It’s not a proven fact. But hey, get his book. Good primer on pheromones. People ask these questions all the time. This free reading below is my standard reply. I’m not interested in starting a total sh\*tstorm as happened on another thread. I can only say that he is a published author. I’d love to have him here, but I guess maybe he does his own thing now. > > We do have LadyScientist here, almost a qualified doctor, so maybe she’ll chime in. > > “The LH and T estosterone response to olfactory/pheromonal input has been repeatedly indicated or reported in findings from non-human animal studies and from human studies.” > > Note that this is probably a temporary response. Similar studies, I think, saw elevated T response to female copulins. If you stop using P75, the effects go away. Others (and me) have reported that P78 makes them ridiculously horny. The only hypothesis I can offer is phero binding to olfactory receptors and subsequent endocrine/androgen/ T output. Something is pushing the horny button in the brain. That would be T, which is why guys take Low T treatments for ED. The treatments are not curative. They don’t permanently restore Low T. Pheromones are hormone metabolites, so, theoretically, you’d have higher T metabolites. > > So, again, test reports are highly subjective. I would encourage you to research not only his papers but also critical works that cite his and those he cites. He does not think -eNone is a pheromone, although that is a very minority view among product users. He did invent SOE (one of the earliest commercial mones) based upon that research. I’m saying look at the evidence and explore the topic. I’m not a scientist, so I can only quote my own findings and readings. > > [James V. Kohl: The Mind’s Eyes: Human Pheromones, Neuroscience, and Male Sexual Preferences](http://www.sexarchive.info/BIB/kohl.htm#PARALLELS) Very interesting. So could it be that high amounts of None sprayed on the body could cause the reverse effect? Lowered T because the body “senses” there is enough? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2014, 1:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/6 "2014-03-13T01:25:57Z")
> [@jayjayshie](#): > > Even if it does affect natural pheromone production, do you think natural production will return to normal after discontinued use? Well if we compared this concept with nearly any enhancement you could do, usually things will return to normal after discontinued use. Though, like most things, with prolonged use for too long, effects can end up being irreversible. My advice (and to myself now that I think about it) is that it would probably be best to cycle or take breaks. I usually only use mones about three days a week roughly. I think even I should break for at least a week every few weeks or so, just to be safe. ---
**Author:** ![jayjayshie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jayjayshie/32/2165_2.png) [@jayjayshie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayjayshie)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2014, 1:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/7 "2014-03-13T01:29:28Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > Well if we compared this concept with nearly any enhancement you could do, usually things will return to normal after discontinued use. Though, like most things, with prolonged use for too long, effects can end up being irreversible. My advice (and to myself now that I think about it) is that it would probably be best to cycle or take breaks. I usually only use mones about three days a week roughly. I think even I should break for at least a week every few weeks or so, just to be safe. Yeah I agree. I will probably be taking 1 week off for every 3 weeks on ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2014, 1:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/8 "2014-03-13T01:49:22Z")
I would almost think eNone raises T…or acts like it does. Think this way. It’s a social signal of sexual dominance. Evolution didn’t contemplate phero sprays in bottles. The brain on a primal level only senses the presence of male signals. You could conjecture that the body adapts a “social combative feedback” to the presence of high amounts of environmental exogenous (not produced by your own body) male mones. Previous research demonstrated female menstrual synchrony in cohabitation. The mere presence of other females (or their mones?) created hormonal changes. However, I’m not updated on whether the synchrony hypothesis still holds. One could, of course, dose [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) for two weeks then do a urinalysis for androgen metabolites. I’ve only been able to isolate a few phero physiological effects: P75 and TAF do cause fasciculations of the eyelid and nose via cranial nerve III and VII, and TAL and P78(?) causing tear production physiologically (not emotionally, I don’t think) via nerve VII parasympathetic activity on the lacrimal gland. Why this matters: these effects can be tested against known antagonists (anticholinergics). I feel TAC might be anticholinergic and this causes “lower body relaxation.” A testable hypothesis is that C would negate/buffer P75, which it does. IIRC, all the facial muscles are cholinergic (acetylcholine neurotransmitter). TAC is very sedating. P75 blocks the sedation. Try it. Before anyone jumps to conclusions, keep in mind that the govt. does at least accept the prima facie science of neurosteroid (pheromone) nasal sprays to treat a variety of disorders. These treatments have yet be funded through the FDA, however. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2014, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/9 "2014-03-13T01:53:52Z")
Why would you want to block the sedation? What good would the TAC been in this circumstance? Or are you talking about merely for sake of testing to see results? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2014, 2:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/10 "2014-03-13T02:11:57Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > Why would you want to block the sedation? What good would the TAC been in this circumstance? Or are you talking about merely for sake of testing to see results? It merely illustrates that some mones are antagonists of each other or are competitive. Many people have reported on this intuitively. I think people said TAC/TAA “fought each other,” although I’ve not tested that pair. Now, if you’re using TAC for orgasmic benefits, [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) could be a problem, couldn’t it. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2014, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/11 "2014-03-13T02:39:30Z")
Ok I see. Thanks. Are there any other antagonists known for TAC.? Because I do use it for orgasm and I would like to know what to be cautious of. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/12 "2014-03-13T17:40:42Z")
Possibly TAF and P78. It also seems to be true that combining 2 potent, similar things increases the chance of a crash: TAF + [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/). TAF + TAA. P91, TAF, P75, P78 and TAA together (or just any two) could be a problem. Overstimulating. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2014, 9:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mone-usage-affect-natural-mone-production/61362/13 "2014-03-13T21:48:35Z")
Ok. Well I have none of those nor have I tried them, lol.