# will MX105 ever be back in stock? **URL:** \ **Category:** Store Announcements & Feedback\ **Created:** [October 17, 2008, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mx105-ever-be-back-in-stock/21531 "2008-10-17T01:42:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![phillykid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b782af/32.png) [@phillykid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phillykid)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mx105-ever-be-back-in-stock/21531/1 "2008-10-17T01:42:20Z")
will MX105 ever be back in stock? or does anyone know of any close substitutes for it? i find A314 too “serious” for my age group (early 20s) and purpose (social, attraction). ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 4:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mx105-ever-be-back-in-stock/21531/2 "2008-10-17T04:07:49Z")
mx103 is pretty close. Its the only one i tried from the mx102-mx105 serie, and i like it well. Definitly less serious than a314. Not many exceptional hits, but a lot of comforting and higher status (but still very approachable and not intimidating) effect. Should try it, but keep it mind it stinks a little and its unscented, so maybe a cologne cover would be great! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 11:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mx105-ever-be-back-in-stock/21531/3 "2008-10-17T11:34:43Z")
Try Instant Gentleman - both the A314 variants and IG have the same main ingredient, Androsterone. IG is far less serious than any of the A314 variants that I’ve tried, so this stuff might be your best bet… ---
**Author:** ![phillykid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b782af/32.png) [@phillykid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phillykid)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mx105-ever-be-back-in-stock/21531/4 "2008-10-17T22:52:36Z")
thanks for the advice, i’ve both mx103 and IG. i still think MX103 is too raw, i can smell the -none in it (self: asian, target: asian). i will give IG a shot once i am done with playing IO/IS and P74 (today!) ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2008, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mx105-ever-be-back-in-stock/21531/5 "2008-10-19T01:58:59Z")
I agree with bubblebob. I myself find Instant Gentleman smoother socially than even wearing MX105. I’ve changed my opinion a little on MX105 - it doesn’t seem to be as attractive for women (on me) as IG. MX105 seems to lose much of the mysteriousness and DHV vibe of A314 while at the same time keeping the anti-romantic/in control properties that A314 (more than 1 drop) can have (see pasted posts below). OTOH, MHarris did think MX105 that MX105 was better for romantic than daytime use. MX105 does definitely feel ‘younger’ and ‘lighter’ than wearing A314 socially but I feel that the ‘in control’ vibe can lead to a loss of ‘romantic’ effect that IG retains. I like adding a drop of Raw Power to 2 sprays of IG for a nice alpha effect which seems to be more attractive to women than wearing MX105. I haven’t tried MX105 + Raw Power many times to compare but I think I prefer IG in place of MX105… From LS:- surfs\_up (December 20, 2005): " ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/c/c40471711fc8cd1cae9ddb1025c27c4aa50d4c24.gif) **a314 with NPA could be a little intense** not necessarily in a bad way. A314 has a unique socially comfortable vibe to it, **somewhat less romatic than Chikara.** **A314 is the best converstional, hang out and let it flow kind of phero product on the market without swinging hard for the romantic starry eyed alpha-nol mood or the do-it-harder-faster-deeper -none mood if you clock it properly.** A314 is a trust, communication, at ease juice. There is a perceptible humorous thread in it that feels like alpha or beta dienol at work. A314 is oily, so there is a slower release function, it will creep up on you where alcohol based mones thump you harder at the outset. When I’ve mixed up brews close to A314+NPA there is a strange dichotomy that can happen, you can be in the communication slot, then jump over to the sexuous slot, then back to the communication slot and blurt out a couple of outrageous opinions you might normally keep to yourself. My last experiment with this was pretty hilarious, I was having good sex with a young thang WHILE we were having an intense conversation about our emotional lives, dunno but we were hanging out on both levels, that was A314 + None + sorry folks, some of Cutler’s Athena juice too… durn giddy mix…, although it feels like it needs one final tweak before it is home run juice… what I will say in its’ favor is that when -mones are too effective and really throw the lass into a headspin, she will more often than not have a corrective “reaction formation” as Freud called it, she’ll be concerned about her own behavior and work to close herself down in your presence the next time she sees you becuse she might not trust her own feelings and think she went too far or made a fool of herself for getting too turned on, sometimes girls/women do feel self conscious or foolish or overly exposed by their own intense feelings and have numerous emotional strategies for containing their responses, well, anyhoo, A314 is very polite in that way, it doesn’t unleash a torrent of hard to manage, hard to accept feelings, rather it lets them unfold at their own pace, OTOH the NPA school of thought is “damn the torpedos, full speed ahead,set them panties on fire” … what I would suggest as a more refined strategy is start with pure A314, observe how things are developing, and if you’re feeling the right vibes then slip away an put on a dab of NPA… the result will be more congruent with the way women normally become interested in a man.. they won’t catch themselves asking where all these weird feelings are coming from." > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/what-pheromones-do-mharris-jasmin-use-594.html)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life MHarris (August 8, 2006): "…Heh. I’ll say this. For attraction, it tends to be the simplest and most complex mixes that work the best. \*\*i.e., the “middle mixes” don’t. The “middle mixes” are best for normal socialization and/or business. **A314** is a “middle mix”. Very refined, but often best when mixed for sexual purposes (so it goes more in a symphonic direction). \*\* Alone, I wouldn’t call it very sexual. Sexy, maybe. On the other hand, you will see it used in huge, symphonic mixes to good effect. Also, simple, or even “bad” mixes of a very few pheromones can be excellent for gathering attention. The type of mixes nature would never make. It’s sort of like painting yourself blue… but with pheromones. With simple, high dose mixes, you can make yourself a bit of an oddball… and, for better or worse, that will garner attention." [Pheromones “To Go”](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/store-announcements-feedback/pheromones-go-613-2.html#post8498) MHarris (August 25, 2006): “…**No, MX105 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) is like a rudderless plane compared to A314 itself and \*\*MX102 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/))**. It has less stability. Better for romantic (which is unstable by nature) than daytime use\*\*…” ---
**Author:** ![phillykid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b782af/32.png) [@phillykid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phillykid)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2008, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mx105-ever-be-back-in-stock/21531/6 "2008-10-19T21:37:38Z")
thanks visionary, you are really better than google 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mx105-ever-be-back-in-stock/21531/7 "2009-01-19T11:39:47Z")
> [@Gonna do a 24 year old woman thursday. Any tips](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/gonna-do-a-24-year-old-woman-thursday-any-tips/6472/5): > > I agree with bubblebob. I myself find Instant Gentleman smoother socially than even wearing MX105. > > I’ve changed my opinion a little on MX105 - it doesn’t seem to be as attractive for women (on me) as IG. MX105 seems to lose much of the mysteriousness and DHV vibe of A314 while at the same time keeping the anti-romantic/in control properties that A314 (more than 1 drop) can have (see pasted posts below). OTOH, MHarris did think MX105 that MX105 was better for romantic than daytime use. MX105 does definitely feel ‘younger’ and ‘lighter’ than wearing A314 socially but I feel that the ‘in control’ vibe can lead to a loss of ‘romantic’ effect that IG retains. > > I like adding a drop of Raw Power to 2 sprays of IG for a nice alpha effect which seems to be more attractive to women than wearing MX105. I haven’t tried MX105 + Raw Power many times to compare but I think I prefer IG in place of MX105… I’ve changed my mind once again. MX105 is good stuff. The main thing I like about it is that it has some definite edgy and sexual effects (mainly from the AndrostEnone I think) but doesn’t put me out there like a ‘macho man’ (unlike even one drop of Raw Power does at times - depending on how I act of course as well and the buffers around Raw Power). It allows me to be involved with things socially (while at the same time getting people’s juices flowing) without as much of the weirdness that I get from some of the higher dosed AndrostEnone products. The key is not to go heavy on the comfort/social mones around it though - that’s why I think Examine was having success (‘sexual hits’) with MX105 a few years back. Are there any plans to reintroduce MX105 I’m wondering? Or perhaps an next generation MX105 (or MX103-like) product for men in a similar vein to MX300 (which is the ‘next generation’ of the female A314 mix, MX134)… ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-mx105-ever-be-back-in-stock/21531/8 "2009-01-19T19:19:09Z")
Hi Visionary, Why not fix this problem by using less -none with IG? I myself often pair it up with a single spray of Ammo - works good for me!