# Will pheromones work for this? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970 "2011-04-20T17:48:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mross0705](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@mross0705](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mross0705)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970/1 "2011-04-20T17:48:40Z")
I’m a 35 year old guy with a female friend who constantly asks me for back massages. She claims she doesn’t want anything sexual from me…just a good back rub, yet she takes her top off (when I’m not facing her) and lies down on her bed so that her back is bare. I haven’t been able to get any farther than giving her a back rub over the course of a couple of years, but would like to somehow move it more towards sex. She claims she’s not turned on a at all. I’ve been reading about [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and was wondering if this might sway her more towards intimacy? Any help is appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970/2 "2011-04-20T17:55:55Z")
LOL you’re more than halfway there. The issue might be you’re thinking in terms of intimacy and she’s thinking in terms of physical escalation. I don’t know what her mindset is like, but some women just want to know they can have a good ol’ physical time without the repercussions of “intimacy.” In other words they don’t want a relationship, they just want to have fun. Sorry did not answer your question. Yes they can help, but you will have to do the physical work and reframe how you’re looking at this. Plus you might also wanna take an overall look at the whole “relationship.” She could have you stuck in a “friend zone” / gay friend / girlfriend area. This does not mean you cannot get out of it, you just have to stop doing all the gay / girlfriend type stuff for her. If you’re showing up pining for her while she’s telling you about guys she banging or dating and how bad they treat her, stop that right now. If she’s using you as an emotional tampon, then you will never get anywhere with her. I had one girl used to do this with me all the time, I finally started to say to her, “so and so is not here, why don’t we enjoy our time together.” and then quickly changed the subject. ---
**Author:** ![mross0705](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@mross0705](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mross0705)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970/3 "2011-04-20T17:59:53Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > LOL you’re more than halfway there. The issue might be you’re thinking in terms of intimacy and she’s thinking in terms of physical escalation. > > I don’t know what her mindset is like, but some women just want to know they can have a good ol’ physical time without the repercussions of “intimacy.” In other words they don’t want a relationship, they just want to have fun. Perhaps I didn’t word it right. I’m only looking for the physical aspect as well. I’m just looking for some help with getting her turned on. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970/4 "2011-04-20T18:05:38Z")
I edited my post above, but will add on here. You say taht you want something physical, but you used the word “intimacy.” Now that’s something a “nice guy” like I would have said in the past. And by “nice guy,” I was the kind of guy that used words like intimacy to show “respect” for a woman. Instead, I’ve learned to respect that women too just want a good ol’ fuck every now and then and there’s nothing intimate about that. Its just a fuck. You also say this has been going on a couple of years. This hints at oneitis. If this is a woman you’ve been showing all your attention to, without getting proper attention back, then its not going to happen that way. You gotta get what we call options. Other people, men and women in your life that you can enjoy without this one woman. I remember I was stuck on one chick for like a year and a half. I never thought I’d give up on her. I decided to go out and meet other women to make her jealous, and lo and behold I found someone far more interesting and attractive than her. LOL So broaden your horizons my man, and nothing but good can come of it. You’ll meet new people, in particular new women and she’ll either see you’re a catch or you’ll find someone better. ---
**Author:** ![mross0705](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@mross0705](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mross0705)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970/5 "2011-04-20T19:14:05Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > I edited my post above, but will add on here. > > You say taht you want something physical, but you used the word “intimacy.” Now that’s something a “nice guy” like I would have said in the past. > > And by “nice guy,” I was the kind of guy that used words like intimacy to show “respect” for a woman. Instead, I’ve learned to respect that women too just want a good ol’ fuck every now and then and there’s nothing intimate about that. Its just a fuck. > > You also say this has been going on a couple of years. This hints at oneitis. If this is a woman you’ve been showing all your attention to, without getting proper attention back, then its not going to happen that way. > > You gotta get what we call options. Other people, men and women in your life that you can enjoy without this one woman. I remember I was stuck on one chick for like a year and a half. I never thought I’d give up on her. I decided to go out and meet other women to make her jealous, and lo and behold I found someone far more interesting and attractive than her. LOL > > So broaden your horizons my man, and nothing but good can come of it. You’ll meet new people, in particular new women and she’ll either see you’re a catch or you’ll find someone better. Getting laid isn’t my problem. I date and have sex. I just want to have some fun with this particular woman. Do pheromones work for this sort of thing? If not, it’s cool, but just figured I’d ask. I’m not wasting a ton of time on this but just figured I’d check it out. ---
**Author:** ![menger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@menger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/menger)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970/6 "2011-04-21T03:38:00Z")
Mones can help to put her in the mood to want to have sex, but it will not be with you if she never considered you in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 4:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970/7 "2011-04-21T04:53:26Z")
> [@mross0705](#): > > Getting laid isn’t my problem. I date and have sex. I just want to have some fun with this particular woman. Do pheromones work for this sort of thing? If not, it’s cool, but just figured I’d ask. I’m not wasting a ton of time on this but just figured I’d check it out. It can, but I think you’re missing the whole point of my post. There’s a reason she doesn’t see you that way, and whether you want to believe it or not its because of YOU. And I don’t say that to be mean…I say that because I’ve been in that situation far more times than I would ever care to admit or think about and it sux. You wanna date / bang whatever woman and she just “wants to be friends.” LOL I hear that line one more time and I think my head will explode. But 99.9% of the time its my fault. Either I didn’t escalate quick enough, or I started letting her sound off emotionally to me, or I catered to her every whim…something I did made her stop and say, “Oh my, maybe I wasn’t sexually attracted to this guy, I was mistaken, I wasn’t falling in love, I was finding a friend.” Even if she’s not your oneitis, even if you do have options, whatever! My point is, if you got a half naked chick on yours or her bed and she’s letting you touch her in a way that is considered sexual by many and she’s not aroused, its because you are considered safe or she’s playing you hard. So think about how you’re coming into this relationship / friendship. What are you bringing to this scenario that says…“hey let me touch your half naked body cuz you don’t have to worry about having sex with me.” Use the mones, work on YOUR ISSUE, and maybe get a few books on sensual massage so when you do go to work on her next time, it will definitely not come across as Sven the gay masseuse at her local spa touching her. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970/8 "2011-04-21T05:01:36Z")
If i was in that situation, I would DEFINATLY use mones…I mean i got the girl no shirt or bra on…I’d wear 3 sprays of TUTH on my hands along with 20mcgs of A1 to help get her comfortable as well…and some p79 to make her want to do something about the horniness she’s beginning to feel. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 8:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970/9 "2011-04-21T08:14:16Z")
Pheromonally I agree with HT. Dont over do it at first though with 3 sprays. Womens anone tolerance vary and you will be in close contact with her. Start with one spray and see how that go’s. Its obvious she has a comfort level with you already. Just keep in mind that the result may not be what you expect. If she firmly has you in the friend box its not a easy place to get out of and can take some time. She may become uncomfortable when your wearing the TUTH because of the sudden unexpected sexual tension and she may pull away a bit. This can happen for two reasons. One because she truely has no interest in you on a “relationship” level and this sudden sexual feeling repels her or Two…she needs time to process these new sexual feelings and determine if she wants to move forward with it. Before you tell me “I am not interested in having a relationship with her I just want to have sex” Its not how you precieve it its how she does. Women most times equate sex with relationships. Not saying there are no sluts in the world just that most women dont have sex just for the sake of having sex. Men seem to think if women just get horny they will want to have sex with them just because they are there. Doesnt work that way. Sure we get horny but we dont act on it unless the interest go’s beyond that. I do agree with Gentleman in that the reason she allows you to rub her have naked self is because you never created any sexual tension with her in the first place. Your the safe zone. I would suggest if this doesnt work and you cant move it forward into a sexual realm stop rubbing her back. Like TG said your not sven the masseuse, if she wants a massage from let her pay for one. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970/10 "2011-04-21T13:45:25Z")
IF she’s 17-25: 1 spray of TUTH (.5 mcgs) + IH IF she’s 25-30: 2 sprays of TUTH (5 mcgs) + IH IF she’s 30+: 2-4 sprays of TUTH (5-20 mcgs) + IH You can add IO or A-1 or both, if it pleases you. My suggestion; and no, I haven’t been in that situation … every massage I’ve given, my smile became a glazed one. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![spamz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@spamz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/spamz)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 3:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970/11 "2011-04-26T15:39:13Z")
uhh, yeah ditto. i say… it definitely would not hurt. if i was in that situation, and i just found out about mones, i would definitely give it a try. i would make a day of it. plan ahead, maybe introduce some wine into the picture, get her to drop her inhabitions a bit. maybe start the day with some comforting or social mones, like A1 or IS. then when shes ready for her massage u put some tuth while she gets ready, or excuse urself while she is topless and go apply some. then just turn up ur game a few notches to the sexy zone, and make conversation flirty. be funny like in the middle of the massage say, ok, the back is done, now turn around for the front, and laugh. gauge her reactions. if all u wanna do is bang her, it wont hurt to try. but it will take more effort on ur part than just mones, only becuase u say this has been going on for a while. u need to start the day/date with seeds of sexual innuendo in a funny way, then turn it up when shes naked in ur hands, so its not so sudden. let us know if u do, and how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![mross0705](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@mross0705](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mross0705)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 3:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/will-pheromones-work-for-this/49970/12 "2011-05-13T15:10:05Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Pheromonally I agree with HT. Dont over do it at first though with 3 sprays. Womens anone tolerance vary and you will be in close contact with her. Start with one spray and see how that go’s. Its obvious she has a comfort level with you already. > > Just keep in mind that the result may not be what you expect. If she firmly has you in the friend box its not a easy place to get out of and can take some time. She may become uncomfortable when your wearing the TUTH because of the sudden unexpected sexual tension and she may pull away a bit. This can happen for two reasons. One because she truely has no interest in you on a “relationship” level and this sudden sexual feeling repels her or Two…she needs time to process these new sexual feelings and determine if she wants to move forward with it. Before you tell me “I am not interested in having a relationship with her I just want to have sex” Its not how you precieve it its how she does. Women most times equate sex with relationships. Not saying there are no sluts in the world just that most women dont have sex just for the sake of having sex. Men seem to think if women just get horny they will want to have sex with them just because they are there. Doesnt work that way. Sure we get horny but we dont act on it unless the interest go’s beyond that. > > I do agree with Gentleman in that the reason she allows you to rub her have naked self is because you never created any sexual tension with her in the first place. Your the safe zone. I would suggest if this doesnt work and you cant move it forward into a sexual realm stop rubbing her back. Like TG said your not sven the masseuse, if she wants a massage from let her pay for one. > > Tisha Is it possible that any of this stuff is sold in stores in NYC, or is it only available online?