# Without Pheromones 4 days and it's tough! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 15, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243 "2008-04-15T21:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/1 "2008-04-15T21:57:00Z")
I get a call every once in a while from a client that has given up on [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). It happens as some are just not socially aware of their surrounding’s. I’m always in shock and awe when it does happen though so I did a little experiment. I went without mones for four whole days just so when I went back to wearing them I could judge again if it was me or the mones doing some of the work. For four days life was complete and utter hell. I mean no smiles, no happiness, no touching nothing. Funny thing is I thought the experiment would begin when I started wearing them again but it began the first time I went without. This included a weekend by the way. I will never go without again. The difference is amazing. Any thoughts on this? Any one else try this? ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2008, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/2 "2008-04-15T22:27:54Z")
That pretty good experiment 🙂. I did this once in a while, but only for like 2 or 3 days max. It really let you notice the difference that the products make. Recommand for everyone who used them long enough and start to see less and less reactions to it! ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2008, 10:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/3 "2008-04-15T22:31:07Z")
I mostly moderate my usage. In my early phero days I was using A314 daily. I didn’t wear it one day and felt off balance, the vibe it gave off that I grew accustomed to was suddenly gone. That aside I don’t find them to be absolutely necessary in every situation day in and out. If you’re chronic and a person that benefits extremely well from them daily, it’s a whole different story. To have a sudden loss of influence or well being like that can put you into a shitty state. If you’re one of those types to medicate themselves with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) all day, they’d be in for a rude awakening. You end up becoming accustomed to something foreign that’s not really you. Would it suffice to say you felt like you dropped back into AFC mode without pheromones? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2008, 10:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/4 "2008-04-15T22:34:40Z")
I will skip a few days a week normally just to “keep it real” I find I start to take things for granted and cant see the reactions as clearly so having a few off days keeps me grounded and focused. Plus I feel for myself at least its good to work on your natural social skills to and even though when I am doing this, I am doing it without pheromones on I am better at it for having worn them in the past. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![richter](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/richter/32/1158_2.png) [@richter](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/richter)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/5 "2008-04-17T01:52:20Z")
I’ve been going out without pheros for about one week. I can say that I was using [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) on a daily basis; primarily to experiment because I was skeptical of pheros. I found that they do give an extra edge when you find your sweet spot. While experimenting I almost gave up on pheros until I kept messaging Tisha for advice. I couldn’t have done it without Tisha’s help. Thanks Tisha 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/6 "2008-04-17T02:55:35Z")
I usually try to wear at least a social phero or 2 when I know I’m going to be out in public, but do sometimes find myself out without anything on, and I definitely notice the difference, less smiles, people not as friendly, and feeling like I’m just another face in the crowd. Even just a couple of sprays of Instant Shine or [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), and the world is a better place. Life just isn’t as much fun being out and about phero free. ---
**Author:** ![Dancing\_Joker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dancing_joker/32/1924_2.png) [@Dancing\_Joker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dancing_Joker)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 5:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/7 "2008-04-17T05:52:36Z")
I usually try to go phero-free on the weekends to take a break and allow any buildup to dissipate. I have frequently noticed that I get much less positive attention and focus from other people during these dry periods. This is especially true with androsterone and androstenone based mixes, and it tends to occur during purchase and service transactions. When I’m wearing Androsterone/none mixes, I get lots of respect, deference, focused attention and compliance - sometimes I even get pats on the back from total strangers 😮 When I’m not wearing these mixes, I’m sometimes treated like I’m invisible or just another customer who they could care less about. At times I even feel “naked” when I’m not wearing my primary status & presence mixes. It’s hard to ignore how much pheromones can amplify your external perception as well as augment how you feel and present yourself. It’s like the American Express Card - never leave home without them! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![zyron](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zyron/32/1842_2.png) [@zyron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zyron)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 6:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/8 "2008-04-17T06:11:24Z")
thanks Steve and others, this info helps alot. 🙂 I still am Phero free. and soon gonna experiment with them. Good to read these experiences. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/9 "2008-04-17T06:29:13Z")
> [@zyron](#): > > thanks Steve and others, this info helps alot. 🙂 I still am Phero free. and soon gonna experiment with them. > > Good to read these experiences. Yep! Bet you’re wondering what you been missing on now huh? Guess you’ll find out soon enough…Is the suspense building yet? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![zyron](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zyron/32/1842_2.png) [@zyron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zyron)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 7:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/10 "2008-04-17T07:12:09Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Yep! Bet you’re wondering what you been missing on now huh? Guess you’ll find out soon enough…Is the suspense building yet? 😃 You bet Mark? , I’m just buzzing to see what happens. I attend alot of events for radio stations, where there hot chicks. and I have talk to them and even had my pic taken with them. But really curious to see what pheros do for me in those sits. I’m watching DHL like a hawk, refreshing to get my first order. there all togos, hopefully it will be enough test them out. I got instant openness , turn up the heat , Ammo , instant Shine I have read so many posts, I’m almost becoming a believer, just from reading. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 8:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/11 "2008-04-17T08:33:41Z")
Yeah, every time I’ve gone without pheromones, I can clearly tell the difference. It’s actually good every once in a while because it makes me appreciate how much they do really boost social dynamics of situations. I know some people on here _cough_ Gegogi _cough_ claim pheromones are less than 10% of the pie, but I think it’s a lot more than that. I know that everyone is soooo much more talkative and friendly when I’m wearing [Come Talk To Me](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) Mix 2. I mean, it’s almost amazing how this stuff works sometimes. I can go without it though for periods of time though because a lot of times the over-friendliness, touchiness, etc. can be distracting. So when I’m not going to be really out and about, for the week, I won’t use them. I’ve really learned when to, and when not to. The best time is for first impressions and other such occasions, and of course, a lot of times just for the fun of it. But you’re right, it’s definitely quite a difference. I also don’t use them much around family because for me at least having grown up a lot around family, it seems to disrupt natural pheromones and it kind of gets awkward. But when meeting new people or friends, it’s really a great enhancer…and definitely with girls. ---
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 8:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/12 "2008-04-17T08:41:57Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > I get a call every once in a while from a client that has given up on pheromones. **It happens as some are just not socially aware of their surrounding’s.** I’m always in shock and awe when it does happen though so I did a little experiment. I’m one of those people, but I realize it, which is probably why I continued to use pheros. I’ve seen the hits and know that they work so there will be no giving up for me. Have I tried not wearing them yet? hell no. There’s too many products left for me to try. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 10:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/13 "2008-04-17T10:23:44Z")
Ok here is some story too. One day just before applying my mix of pheros.. i stopped and sad to my self… “what the fuck am i doing.. i have so much trouble on my hansd .. and i am spraying pheromones” so i left the bottles and just went out. (i really had some big troubles in my life). Sprayed some of my perfume and went out. This just made my troubles bigger. Everyone i met that day was rude, arrogant and a as_hole/b_tch (the new people) my friends didt react that much differently from before.. but probably their mind is so soaked up with my pheros that still keeps them smiling at me 😃 As soon as i got home i sprayed all over with everything i got 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![chaotism](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chaotism/32/1029_2.png) [@chaotism](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chaotism)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 12:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/14 "2008-04-17T12:26:56Z")
Im still in my first experiment phase, but can clearly tell the days im off pheros, its like 70% less eye contact an smiles when im out. Im growing acustomed to teh stuff, so kinda hard to put off for a few days of the week 😛 _going back to experiment_ ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 1:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/15 "2008-04-17T13:09:07Z")
I’ve found that as the [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) reactions become a “normal” part of my life, it is becomming more difficult to objectively evaluate the effects of new putatives. Anyone else notice this effect? ---
**Author:** ![phernoob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phernoob/32/180_2.png) [@phernoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phernoob)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 1:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/16 "2008-04-17T13:40:23Z")
I find that life is “flat” when I do not wear any pheros (espec. MX135). I mostly wear for self-effects. Is it the other people’s reaction, or our perception of the reactions when we wear these? I bought A314 for DH. He tried it a couple of times. Said nothing happened. I dont think he could get enough oil out of the bottle. I really think he needs the extra boost at work. Any tips on application? Gettin’ it outa the bottle? How much to apply? He also has Ammo & TUTH. Guys - any advice would be great! SteveO - I think this is an important thread to keep going. Everyone should go free for 2-3 days (especially heavy users like myself), to note the differences. Do our sweet spots change? Do others notice? ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 1:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/17 "2008-04-17T13:43:52Z")
> [@idle](#): > > my friends didt react that much differently from before.. > but probably their mind is so soaked up with my pheros that still keeps them smiling at me I think Idle has made a good observation here that ties into what we have said before and into what most everyone seems to be indicating. Namely: Pheromones _generally_ work best _immediately_ with people who are just meeting us for the first time(s) as opposed to those who know us best and our relationships are established. Now this does not mean established relationships are static. Everyone knows that the only constant in life is change. (Not to forget death and taxes but that is a discussion for the lounge, likewise the concept that we can either be proactive and try to anticipate and steer change in our lives or just be passive and get washed through life by it.) Both LaurieNY and I (and a few others) have reported that our Moms were really upset at first when they first were around us wearing pheros. My wife and Tisha’s husband were the same also. Funny looks like something is different but I can’t put finger on it. But they eventually did grow accustomed to the new phero-signature once it became the norm. Or even accustomed to a changing phero-signature. I think what also happens is that the change is more easily absorbed once they realize that the other major factors in the relationship are still the same. Namely this phero-change is not a signal we are seeing someone on the side or have been bitten by a vampire and are now one of the living dead. In other words the change in our phero-signature does not herald “danger” or a “problem”. Once that is absorbed consciously _and_ subconsciously, the defences go down and it is back to business as normal. Almost. Because once this defensive reaction goes down, it is then I believe that the pheromones can start to affect our stronger relationships. But because the relationships are strong and long-term and operate off of patterns and history as much as day to day interactions, then it can take a while longer to make major course corrections. Kinda like you can’t turn an aircraft carrier on a dime kinda thing. _But_ once you start wearing Ammo or whatever around the spouse, close friends, family etc. and they will affect hopefully what is a positive influence/change within the relationship and you will have achieved a new balance, a slightly new course so to speak. Once that happens, then a day or so without them is not such a big deal because that relationship has alreay achieved that new balance or new course so to speak, and a shift in your phero-signature will not have such a big effect for one or two days. And again that happens because long term relationships run as much on patterns and history as they do day to day events. (Unless of course that day’s event includes catching you in bed with … well, you get the picture.) Plus they may now be subconsciously accustomed to the fact that not only does your phero-signature change but also the changes do not represent danger or a problem. A changing phero-signature is now your “norm”. Now obviously I am not talking about what I call “point adjustment” applications - [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), Turn Up The Heat, Cops or even Instant Shine - designed to elicite certain behavior RIGHT NOW, whether it is calming/happy (Instant Female Magic or the “socials”) because the wife or SO is in a bad mood or it is arousing (heavy 'none or cops) because one or both of you are or want to be in the mood. Because again this DOES seem to work on spouses, SOs, etc.. Becuase here I am talking about causing something “right now” as opposed to a long term shift. But then again like all pheromone products even this has its limits. If she is in a bad mood and just does not want to be calmed or wants to stay angry, then all the Instant Female Magic in the world will not help. Same with Turn Up The Heat or Cops: if he or she is really tired or just not in the mood for whatever reason - it ain’t goona work. And we have all had experiences with that too. On the other hand strangers or sometimes even people we are around daily but don’t really know us other than in passing or quick exchanges are the peole most likely to be strongly (and less permanently) affected by what we wear daily. And this seems to be born out time and again anectdotally. Whether it is what I would consider “longer term” type products - A314, Instant Gentleman, Ammo - or “point products” - Turn Up The Heat, Instant Shine. Or romance vs. social products. The point is the relationship is very fluid and still very dependent on subconscious as well as conscious clues more so than relying on “patterns” and history as more established relationships are. So they may react more strongly but don’t necessarily retain the “behavior pattern” the next time come in contact with you unless you are wearing the same pheromones again. They may remember how they felt and acted but there is no guarantee they will feel and act that way again either without you wearing the same pheromones OR outside that social environment (like a club environment) even if you were wearing the same pheromones. I also think there may be differences in reactions that interplay with personality types, but I am still sorting that idea out. Sorry for the long dissertation. Some day you guys are going to remember not to ask me open-ended questions … ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 1:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/18 "2008-04-17T13:52:33Z")
> [@phernoob](#): > > Any tips on application? Gettin’ it outa the bottle? How much to apply? > > Guys - any advice would be great! I know I run risking contaminating the “mother ship” but I take out the plastice dispenser, get the oil right on my finger, and apply one drop to each side of my adams apple and a partial drop under my nose. > [@phernoob](#): > > Do our sweet spots change? Do others notice? I think they shift slightly depending on a LOT of factors, including you and others getting used to a certain phero-signature at a certain dosage or strength. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 4:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/19 "2008-04-17T16:51:15Z")
I know what you mean SteveO. I recently tried to go a week with out wearing pheromones just to see if things would go back to the way they used to be… It was the wizard of Oz in reverse. 1930’s Kansas in black and white. I only lasted 4 days before hitting the little blue bottles again. Phernoob, get him to wear the A314 for an entire work week just like Bosshank says to put it on… then don’t mention it the next week and see how long before he asks for it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![phernoob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phernoob/32/180_2.png) [@phernoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phernoob)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 6:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/20 "2008-04-17T18:59:22Z")
Boss - I am def gonna read your post a few times. Wow, everything you say is so true. What you wrote is profound. On several levels. But it does prove that the pheromones do affect ourselves and others- for those skeptics out there. I now not only have what I would call a “shifitng” relationship with some of the key people in my life, but I find a difference in my relationship to myself. I have a completely different view of who I am than I did several months ago. Anyone else experience this? Also, I am enjoying my life so much more! I would hate to think that I am using the pheros as a crutch, but… You all know what I mean… [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243.md?page=2)