# Without Pheromones 4 days and it's tough! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 15, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243 "2008-04-15T21:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 28
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243/28 "2008-04-20T02:29:07Z")
> [@mahalo\_silver](#): > > for eg. i became best friends with this girl, and i now realise everytime i was around her, i wore Ammo. she went on holiday for a month. next 3 times i saw her, i was pheromone free and we had no connection whatsoever…so i want to use pheromones to attract those who would naturally like me anyway. but thus my confusion, as if theres a natural attraction, then y do i even need pheromones for these girls? Other ways of looking at it: Maybe when she came back she was picking up the change in your phero-signature and not understanding what it was thought YOUR feelings for her had changed. And if you did not send out strong enough a signal that you were still good friends because you thought the change in her was aloofness … Maybe she was looking for something more than friendship all along and in the month she was gone had time to reconsider given the friendhsip was not going in the romance direction … And then you have to think about what was the friendship based on and how deep was it. Some friendships are seasonal. I have moved around a lot and have made a lot of friends. But I have not kept up with a lot of them. Why? Because the friendships were based work, on the here and now, on the shared work situation as opposed to outside interests or outside shared values. That does not mean they were not real, or were not good, or even that they were shallow but they were situational. > [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Well, do you still dress to impress when there’s a natural attraction? Do you shave or trim any facial hair when you know you’re going to be around someone you are interested in? Of course you do! Mark - you already went into trimming facial and palm hair in another post - to I will leave this part alone - lol. > [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > The are not magical bullets, and are not going to have women falling at your feet. The are simply enhancements. > > You cannot say that the pheros changed your physical perception of the girl that was to tall and to big for you! Did the pheros create the connection? NO. Again pheromones do not create something from nothing. If there was not something there to connect with in the first place, I don’t care if you had doused yourself in Instant Openness, Instant Honesty and Instant Shine. If there was nothing to connect with her on, it wouldn’t have happened. I think Mark is basically right here also. First, I really believe that pheromones only enhance who you are. But you still have to be and do to take advantage of the edge they give you. Sometimes they even enhance your bad moods. Mark can attest to that too. > [@A night at a new club with no hits: why pheromones don't work without effort](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-fueled-failure/8206): > > Hey folks, I just thought I’d write a little example of how [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) aren’t one stop cure all magical bullets. Several members have done an excellent job of welcoming new members and pointing out that using pheromones is not going to have the opposite sex falling at your feet, or begging for sex, and that pheromones will only work if you are willing to put some effort in yourself. Well this post is intended to drive that point home. As many of you may know, I have had some great successes wit… They sure did not have women falling at Mark’s feet when he was in a bad mood. If it was all pheromones then all the friendly pheromones he had on should have had them dropping at his feet despite his bad mood. But they did not. So - they only enhance, and sometimes they enhace something you do not want them to enhance. But they only enhance. Sometimes in certain environments we seem to hit it off with people but then find outside that environment that we are not matched well. Probably happens all the time in club environments. Guys complain constantly about getting bad numbers or girls “flaking” on them on follow-up. Women complain that guys were not “who they seemed to be” the night they met them. So all the enhancing in the world will not change the fact that while you had a good time together last night in the club, you are still not a good match. (Note: Off subject - but women can often sort this out before guys can. Or as is quite often the case, they were just out for some fun one night, and while you were fun, you really do not have a place in their life beyond last night’s fun. We always hear about guys who are “cads” when they treat women like this but I think it happens with women a lot more than they usually admit. At least to guys. Now - Back to our regularly scheduled programming 🙂 But this friendship seems like it was too long for this to be the case if you had time to become really good friends. This tells me that while the pheromones might have been enhancing who you were she had enough time to figure out who you were and liked what she saw. So if she has pulled back since her vacation, then it is for some other reason than just the pheromones. I listed several that came to mind immediately, but there could well be others. --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/without-pheromones-4-days-and-its-tough/11243)._