# Women avoided me at a club on A314 and MX302: dose and combination advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 11:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962 "2009-07-24T11:21:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 11:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/1 "2009-07-24T11:21:01Z")
I am just in from night out and admit was, in a word, bad. EDIT: Whoops. My browser crashed and I didn’t realize that had posted. At 4:38AM. Anyway, after a good day with A314 at a meeting, 7 hours later and 1 drop additional drop of A314 on my neck and 2 x MX302 to the neck, 1 spray of Amouage Dia as cover, I went out. At a club watching a band and had a good time watching. After, I had no issue talking to guys but women AVOIDED me. I read the reports here and thought, maybe they are just imagining it. I saw it first hand. Every girl spent very little time with me and moved on and that ISN’T normal. The only exception was a girl so drunk, she was asked to leave. The club was really, really hot and everyone was sweating. The girls were dancing and they were shining in the low light. Later at an after party, the same thing. In close quarters, girls literally FLED. There was a 50/50 guy/girl ratio and still, I couldn’t carry any conversation with any girls at all. One was bordering on hostile after 15 seconds. ( **Me:** Hi, I think you’re friends with X, right? **Her:** I don’t know you, walks away. **Me:** WTF? ) No matter where I went, it became obvious that girls were fleeing me and after one episode, I asked a guy (jokingly) if I had a faux pas like a trail of toilet paper on me. I had to drive, so I had only a few drinks all night. Again, I had no problem talking to guys, one I knew and he was a bit hostile all night too, but that could have been a fluke, as other guys were fine. He was working the girls hard, so that may have been it. Not great for confidence, but I can handle it. I had started the several hours earlier with 2 drops A314 rubbed from ears to neck and that went well and thought 1 more drop would be appropriate 7 1/2 hours later. Was this an OD? I sure hope so, but can’t see how, as I didn’t have much on. This is merely a bump in the road, testing will continue. Even though the results were not desirable, they were easily and unmistakably observable. I think that is interesting in itself. ---
**Author:** ![Bundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@Bundy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bundy)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 11:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/2 "2009-07-24T11:54:44Z")
Sorry to hear that bro, but give us Details please! ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/3 "2009-07-24T14:10:03Z")
yes describe the situation. terrible results r results nonetheless, and u might just need to fine-tune your mixes to get positives. ive lost count of the number of bad terrible experiences ive had with androsetnone. ive also lost count of the terrific , attractive experiences ive had with it as well. its all about wearing an intelligent mix and trying to avoid OD’s. im finding these days that occasional use is working much better for me than daily mixes. ---
**Author:** ![moonwhisper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonwhisper/32/1735_2.png) [@moonwhisper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonwhisper)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/4 "2009-07-24T14:35:48Z")
Lots of times the ‘bad results’ are indications that your dosage or combinations need to be tweaked. There are a lot of guys here with a lot of knowledge. Tell us what you wore and where, what happened, etc… then sit back and let the experts do their magic. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/5 "2009-07-24T15:33:15Z")
Too many details for my taste! 😛 Did you see some -none OD reactions? Or what?? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/6 "2009-07-24T17:17:46Z")
That’s odd, did you add additional sprays besides the just two of MX302? Because if you did, -none ghosting could be the cause since some say MX302 _may_ have -none in it. However, if it was just two sprays after all that heat, humidity, and sweat it must have lost some effect (especially after all those hours.) However, -none is funny like that as it tends to be sticky but still two sprays doesn’t sound like a lot (unless you’re very sensitive to -none.) Another possibility could be -none build up, but I’m sure you’re already aware of that and about cleaning application points. So if it wasn’t the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/), for all we know the whole night was probably just a bad night. I suggest you take with you a to-go of a social, like a to-go of IO, CTTM, or Spaceland. So like that next time that happens we can try a little experiment; at the first signs of ghosting spray on some of these socials then see if it _changes_ things around. All while starting with just one spray then gradually going up until you see a noticeable change. This is what I also love about bad pheromone nights/days like these, because it just adds more to the credibility of just how much pheromones do work that they can even make people avoid you. Amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/7 "2009-07-24T19:29:20Z")
As great as A314 is at work, it is not good for socializing for many of us. In my case, A314 tends to enhance status and respectful behavior while at the same time creating social distance. So they may call you sir, obey commands but won’t hang around to eat lunch with you. Then you made it worse by pouring more A314 and MX304 on top of it. OD city bro. THe way you make A314 more inviting and friendly for happy hour after work is by adding socials and feel good mones on top of it. I normally add alpha androstenol and TAA. It’s actually a great combo with A314 and is friendly, upbeat but you still have an alpha status under the surface. ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/8 "2009-07-24T20:46:41Z")
Thanks. I now know an OD. It was a kind of like a hit in reverse. ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/9 "2009-07-24T23:31:50Z")
mikotorocks714 & Gegogi- Thanks. It actually was good to see the effects, even negative ones. I thought when I read about OD’ing, I’ll never do that. So much for that. I do know about buildup and have a bottle of hydrogen peroxide and a scrubby thingy to fight buildup. One of the girls from last night I see fairly often. She used to give me IOI’s, which I couldn’t/wouldn’t act on at the time and she even gave me her number. She was shutting me down and I wasn’t even working on her. This was an eye opener but by no means am I dissuaded. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/10 "2009-07-24T23:42:26Z")
That’s good! It happens, and when it does know you’re not alone. 🙂 > [@Vaccine](#): > > This was an eye opener but by no means am I dissuaded. ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/11 "2009-07-24T23:54:22Z")
I just recalled that I also sprayed 2x IS 2x, but that was literally 7+ hours earlier. Contributing factor? I tend to doubt that, as it is a social. To anyone new reading about OD’s: when you OD as I did you will know. I wasn’t sure what was happening and but _something_ was happening. Just now I know what it was and not to do that again. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 11:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/12 "2009-07-24T23:57:52Z")
Doubt it was the IS, only because it’s supposed to be a feel good (and friendly) product and is supposed to have a real short diffusion/effect life. I think it has been said about 2 to 3 hours? > [@Vaccine](#): > > I just recalled that I also sprayed 2x IS 2x, but that was literally 7+ hours earlier. Contributing factor? > > I tend to doubt that, as it is a social. > > To anyone new reading about OD’s: when you OD as I did you will know. I wasn’t sure what was happening and but _something_ was happening. Just now I know what it was and not to do that again. ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 4:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/13 "2009-07-25T04:38:43Z")
sounds like a real bad OD, i forgot what is in MX302 if there is -none but if there is with a combo of too much A314 and no nols to counter balance you sent the wrong messages at least you know what an OD is now ---
**Author:** ![Vaccine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vaccine/32/2381_2.png) [@Vaccine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vaccine)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 4:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/14 "2009-07-25T04:46:10Z")
I believe I do know an OD now. 🙂 It wasn’t horrible, but it was really interesting to see. Guys didn’t have the same issue as the girls, only one guy was ‘aggressive’ and that _may_ have been unrelated. Does that make sense or no? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 6:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-avoided-me-at-a-club-on-a314-and-mx302-dose-and-combination-advice/30962/15 "2009-07-25T06:02:55Z")
This may sound weird, but you know what? Try it again! Really, same doses and go somewhere to see if you get the same result. If you do, then you definitely ghosted, but if you do you can just easily spray a social over you or wipe it away with some Witch Hazel or peroxide wipe. It’ll make for a good experiment. > [@Vaccine](#): > > I believe I do know an OD now. > > 🙂 > > It wasn’t horrible, but it was really interesting to see. Guys didn’t have the same issue as the girls, only one guy was ‘aggressive’ and that _may_ have been unrelated. Does that make sense or no?