# Womens Reactions to None **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 29, 2010, 12:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688 "2010-06-29T12:25:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Katalyst](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/katalyst/32/1415_2.png) [@Katalyst](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Katalyst)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 12:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/1 "2010-06-29T12:25:14Z")
Just wanted to get some input from the other users about none based products and their experiences. Ive tried mx301, TUTH, and now ammo. The neroli scent is great and i enjoy it a lot. I just recently got a FF21 ammo and the gf commented on it and said its her least favorite of anything ive worn. Does smell like laundry soap mixed with a dryer sheet and not too thrilled since she obviously doesnt care too much for it. Ive done limited testing with none with her but have found that i keep making the mistake of using none based products around her, a few days before her period and then look back on reactions and slap myself again once i realize that her P is about to come in like 2 days. She seems to get agitated easily and uptight from it around that time. Anyone come across the experience of women whether it be flings, gf, wifes, etc that just did not respond well ever to none? I seem to get much better responses and closeness,intimacy, off of other products like IH, IS, IG. Maybe the conveying message with none keeps coming across as too much i only want one thing and dont care about our connection to one another. …thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 12:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/2 "2010-06-29T12:44:34Z")
I read someplace, it may have even been on here though I’m not sure that when women are ovulating they’re looking for the physical strong healthy sperm doner, the rest of the month they’re looking for the more established mature provider, and during their period they want a beta. I don’t know that you should avoid none altogether, though I would say if you’re aware of her cycle you can add more buffers to your mix during her period. A1 is supposed to be the best for that time of month, If you want to stick with AD products MEO-EST seems to have similar effects on female moods though feedback seems to require higher doses. ---
**Author:** ![Katalyst](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/katalyst/32/1415_2.png) [@Katalyst](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Katalyst)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 1:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/3 "2010-06-29T13:22:52Z")
well she is on BC, and that helps with pms symptoms so she is not normally agitated during her P. It seems that when the none is induced around those times, or when i use it in general i get much different reactions. She has high free will and dealt with mostly assholes in the past and found it hard trusting guys until me, and hasnt had one night stands, so i was wondering if in fact the none is triggering that sub-consciously and tying those thoughts to the feelings shes feeling about how im coming across with that mone on. For a while i just didnt think it was working at all on her and she was not receptive to none, cuz i wore like 4 or 5 sprays one night and things seemed normal no aggresiveness from her or anything like that. But it seems that when i have worn it, even when buffered with IS, IH it didnt do all that much. But looking back on it i see that most times there was agitation or things just seemed to be awkward intimately like she just wasnt feeling right. SO its brought me to questioning this and trying to elicit some thoughts as to the cause and maybe the cause is none, or just that the times this has ocurred, i was wearing none and is completely coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 1:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/4 "2010-06-29T13:32:00Z")
I’ve never had much luck with androstenone products, and believe me: I’ve tried a lot of different ones from different companies. Sure I had a couple of nice hits from them, but when I compare the negative ones to the positive ones, the negative reactions far outweigh the positives. Positives were really rare. I’ve given up on -none products completely and am trying out a couple of products that promise to create sexual and attraction responses without it. Looking good so far… ---
**Author:** ![Katalyst](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/katalyst/32/1415_2.png) [@Katalyst](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Katalyst)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 1:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/5 "2010-06-29T13:39:22Z")
Thanks thus far guys, I mean ive never had a problem garnering attention and attraction from the ladies, and ive always had very large circles of guy friends. The only thing ive lacked in: is maybe approach anxiety and confidence. Also, second guessing, and not being able to shut off that inner-talk. For most of my college life, alcohol cured all that, and while that works, it is not healthy, so thats where working on myself and trying out some mones came into play. So maybe im going about this wrong and i need to focus on the socials and confidence mones more for myself rather than trying to elicit responses from other individuals so much. However i do feed off of the attention. Im still waiting for this weekend where i will have a chance to test out mones on strangers while going out with a buddy who is coming in from Cali. My only real test subject has been myself and gf. Couple random times i got some blatant hits from strangers that really shocked me in my beginning experiments, but the fact is that i dont get out too much to experiment without the gf and probably should hang with the boys more often as well. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 3:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/6 "2010-06-29T15:02:38Z")
I wore some very strong anone products yesterday, and I had three girls drooling over me at a gym… No product hooks a girl faster than anone ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/7 "2010-06-29T17:43:01Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > I’ve never had much luck with androstenone products, and believe me: I’ve tried a lot of different ones from different companies. Sure I had a couple of nice hits from them, but when I compare the negative ones to the positive ones, the negative reactions far outweigh the positives. Positives were really rare. I’ve given up on -none products completely and am trying out a couple of products that promise to create sexual and attraction responses without it. Looking good so far… Have you a advice for me? I don’t find any product know that replace none… Only TAC improved none for me. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/8 "2010-06-29T17:56:59Z")
None is animalic… brings out primitive thinking, sexoidal feeling can become intensely sexoidal, people with paranoid-pissy streaks get real paranoid and pissy… me ? I only use None anything right before sex… man it kicks it into 5th gear… the only none like product I’d use for general purposes is A314 smoothed with a social mone, like MEO-EST ---
**Author:** ![Katalyst](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/katalyst/32/1415_2.png) [@Katalyst](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Katalyst)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/9 "2010-06-29T18:34:39Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > None is animalic… brings out primitive thinking, sexoidal feeling can become intensely sexoidal, people with paranoid-pissy streaks get real paranoid and pissy… me ? I only use None anything right before sex… man it kicks it into 5th gear… the only none like product I’d use for general purposes is A314 smoothed with a social mone, like MEO-EST Yeah A314 is next on my list of experiments, as im currently testing IG and feel that it has been very beneficial to see the effects of its ‘little brother’’ since A314 is slower acting, but much more alpha and respected. I think like you said, at this point the none should either be used in clubs/bars/ social settings, or right before action. More testing of course but i seem to be coming upon a link here as it appears. Im hoping that a lot of what i seem to lack/have trouble with, may be bottled up in A314 and is just what i need to test out ---
**Author:** ![unrealchamp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unrealchamp/32/852_2.png) [@unrealchamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unrealchamp)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/10 "2010-06-29T18:45:30Z")
You say she is on birth control. I believe I’ve read somewhere that means -none will make her more irritable all the time compared to if she was off of it. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 12:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/11 "2010-06-30T12:25:37Z")
I’ve found that Androstenone can be overpowering and even offputting if too much is worn too early but when introduced/levels are raised at a suitably advanced moment, things can go off like a firecracker. Two out of the last three nights I’ve been out have all ended-up being a bit mad - moreso than normal anyway. I can attribute a significant part of this to the [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/)/TUTH mix that I’ve been wearing as previous nights in the same places with the same people have been good but not quite as crazy. MX297 - 3 sprays. Each side of neck and between forearms. TUTH 2.5mcg - 3 sprays, Each side of neck and each forearm. The catalyst for taking things to a higher level for me was about 4-5 hours in, when things were already going well, lots of close dancing, touching, and flirty interaction, I nipped to the toilet, freshened-up and added two sprays from a togo of 12.5mcg Androstenone to this, one to front of neck and one between the forearms. On night one I used Azzarro’s Chrome as a cover scent and Armani’s Code for nights 2 and three - Which worked very well with the TUTH/MX297 scents. Once the Androstenone was added, things became much more overtly sexual - the woman I was out with started dancing closer and much more suggestively, and when we stopped, she straddled me on the bar stool, put her arms round my neck, monopolised my gaze and alternated between talking a lot of sexy stuff, kissing me and grinding her crotch into my leg. A woman at the next stool who we had been talking with and occasionally dancing with also tried to involve herself, by dancing up behind my lady, rubbing her back/shoulders and breasts and at one point dragged me away and asked - “Have you ever had a younger and older woman at the same time!” We also collected another woman who lives nearby who asked us to walk her home, so we managed to duck out on the bi-woman. The next night continued in a similar vein, and followed the same pattern and again got very passionate after I’d applied the Androstenone, except we managed to avoid collecting extra people - although a couple did try and when we got back, a night of fine debauchery ensued. I’ll avoid details but I did note some possible phero-related things. 1 - After I changed and came out of her bathroom, she started talking in great detail about her vagina. 2 - Later, during sex, she started telling me about how hot she felt when she smelled the Armani/TUTH/MX297 mix on when I came out of her bathroom at the start of the evening. And to drive the point home even further, she took my shirt off the floor, put it on, wore it for the rest of our night together and insisted I wore it again, unwashed the next day. 3 - When I was finally drifting off to sleep, she snuggled very close to me, put her face into the crook of my neck, her nose right between the spray points for the pheros whilst playing with herself with a clitoral vibrator. 4 - She insisted I leave that shirt at hers and that I wear the “Armani” much more often! The next day in a different place was slightly more subdued - For a start, my lady was a bit sore but still snuggled close at the bar and frequently stroked my face/arm/back and asked me to do the same whilst a woman we had talked to the previous night turned-up and she and her pal frequently dragged me on to the dancefloor. I didn’t bother to add the Androstenone as I was needing some sleep that night too! ---
**Author:** ![Katalyst](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/katalyst/32/1415_2.png) [@Katalyst](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Katalyst)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 12:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/12 "2010-06-30T12:50:35Z")
Yeah i would like to eliminate the BC but that is just not in the cards as of right now for obvious reasons. I know -none has its proven effects and im just trying to get some understanding as to maybe theres sensitivity to it from past reasons and just like how certain people are more sensitive to it for biological reasons as well as the BC. Im not challenging the product, but rather its effects on one individual, being my gf. I want to get out and test it in public venues and bars so i can get a feel for the other reactions of interest to gauge it as a product and its dosage on me. Thanks for the success story mobo, but i think stress has a lot to do with things as well. when theres high job related stress, maybe the tuth is overbearing. I was trying to elicit responses from her and see how things went. If i was single it obviously have more test subjects, but if its adversely effecting her and our time together then theres no reason to further test that mone, but to rather stick to the other ones that foster things better. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 1:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/13 "2010-06-30T13:14:58Z")
> [@Katalyst](#): > > Im not challenging the product, but rather its effects on one individual, being my gf. I want to get out and test it in public venues and bars so i can get a feel for the other reactions of interest to gauge it as a product and its dosage on me. I agree - You need to find what works best for yourself and with each individual, especially if there are other stresses involved. I’ve been through a good number of pheromones/combinations with that lady and whilst some work very well, others are a complete turn-off to her or produced very odd reactions. IME, the best results have always been when started low/social and introduced/increased the most sexual pheromones later. A few weeks back I tried an [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/)/TUTH mix with her and ended-up with a very aroused woman who said - “Lets leave the sex for tonight, this conversation is such a turn-on by itself and I don’t want to stop!” And boy, did she talk that night - All night! 😮 :o At other times when she’s been less turned-on to begin with, I’ve worn an Androstenone-heavy (not always TUTH) mix around her and got nothing but the fidgety, terse, stand-offish treatment. You don’t say how old your GF is? I understand different pheromones have different effects on different age groups (see other threads here) and if she is younger, a different pheromone or lower level of Androstenone mat be a better idea? In my case, my lady is 39, the bi-woman who tried to cut in on us must have been in her late 40s and the other women were in the 30-40s range. As for the smell, there seems to come point where that simply stops mattering - Again, this is maybe a nod in the direction of starting with just a nice scent and building the rest up over a few hours? And I must have been minging on the Sunday but it was clearly exactly her sort of ming! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Katalyst](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/katalyst/32/1415_2.png) [@Katalyst](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Katalyst)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 2:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/14 "2010-06-30T14:26:40Z")
Shes 26 and has a mentally stressful job, Therapaist working with sexually abused kids and obv is subjected to horrific stories between incest, and so on down the line. Definitely understand now that different products react differently to different individuals and at different doses of course. And ive found that the more trust, and happy, calming mones work a lot better. Since stress is very common in day to day during the week. I wish IFM was still available but maybe i should seek to test A1 as well, (not the steak sauce: see recent thread haha) to combine with some other products to keep the relaxation there. I have started with low doses 1/2 spray and 1 spray for many days then increased, etc. Ive tried to follow finding the sweet spot in myself for the products, and interpreting responses, and have buffered it a lot at times. Conclusion at this point is that the other stresses involved, and BC and other related things paired with -none products seem to agitate rather than arouse. Shes the type where her mind has to be right and has to be relaxed, and often times finds it hard to shut off things going on in her mind, whether it be work, dishes, etc. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 3:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/15 "2010-06-30T15:12:18Z")
> [@Katalyst](#): > > Therapaist working with sexually abused kids and obv is subjected to horrific stories between incest, and so on down the line. Yes - Been there. Before moving into my current line, I spent six years working with troubled kids, on the education side. It can really knock the stuffing out of you at times. You will need to be very strong sometimes, for both her and for your own sake. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/16 "2010-06-30T17:18:31Z")
I think androstenone and female irritability has too many variables such as your persona and individual body chemistry to generalize. Plus, every woman is a little different. I’ve worn androstanone products extensively for 7 years (NPA, TE, Alpha 7, chemset androstenone, etc) and have noticed no correlation between birth control and female irritability. None. Zip. Friggen nuttin’. However women whom do not use birth control but tend to be bitchy just before their period, usually react poorly to androstenone at that time. I had a Vietnamese GF whom became almost violent, screaming and threatening me while over nothing while I wore NPA or TE. Oddly, such rage often turned into the wildest filthiest sex as she was also extremely horny. And the sex had to be immediate–kitchen table, car on side of road, whatever. I found the rage too much to handle but the sore dick and scrapes on my body was worth enduring once in a while. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/17 "2010-06-30T17:32:15Z")
I think I’ve written this somewhere else already: My theory is that androstenone isn’t really a sexual [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/), it is an aggressive one. Whether this aggression turns into a sexual response or into avoidance depends on a lot of circumstances (just as Gegogi said), including the wearer and recipient. I’ve talked to a couple of women - also avid pheromone users - about androstenone and mostly got the feedback that they don’t like androstenone or even hated it. There also seems to be a correlation to violence: If a woman suffered from a violent boy-friend or husband earlier, she often cannot stand androstenone at all - which I think supports the theory of androstenone being an aggressive pheromone rather than a sexual one. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/18 "2010-06-30T22:47:56Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > I think I’ve written this somewhere else already: My theory is that androstenone isn’t really a sexual pheromone, it is an aggressive one. Whether this aggression turns into a sexual response or into avoidance depends on a lot of circumstances (just as Gegogi said), including the wearer and recipient. > > I’ve talked to a couple of women - also avid pheromone users - about androstenone and mostly got the feedback that they don’t like androstenone or even hated it. There also seems to be a correlation to violence: If a woman suffered from a violent boy-friend or husband earlier, she often cannot stand androstenone at all - which I think supports the theory of androstenone being an aggressive pheromone rather than a sexual one. not necessarily true. I usually get INSTANT sexual his with high anone products, and no signs of aggression. Maybe, if you have 20 mcg of anone and nothing else, yeah… what is funny is that even some girls who normally do not seem to be interested in me suddenly shows me DIHL’s. It depends on person and their body chem, I guess ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/19 "2010-07-01T00:18:50Z")
As I mentioned, your body chemistry and persona has a lot to do with androstenone reactions and success. I shower too much and probably make very little natural androstenone and am as mellow as Buddha, so I can wear plenty and to no ill effect. I have a White friend I turned on to TE and it makes man, woman and beast flee before him. We figured out he already has plenty of natural androstenone (hairy as an ape) and even a dab causes an OD. Plus he’s kinda buff 'n mean looking although actually very friendly once you talk to him. He said it’s perfect when he has to go to trial (he’s a lawyer). ---
**Author:** ![hoplessly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hoplessly/32/2319_2.png) [@hoplessly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hoplessly)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688/20 "2010-07-01T02:36:16Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > I read someplace, it may have even been on here though I’m not sure that when women are ovulating they’re looking for the physical strong healthy sperm doner, the rest of the month they’re looking for the more established mature provider, and during their period they want a beta. Rad, that’s awesome information. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/womens-reactions-to-none/39688.md?page=2)