# Worst mix ever: none, TUTH, TAH, TAL and P79 got me yelled at all through dinner **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 2, 2007, 2:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462 "2007-05-02T02:51:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 2:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/1 "2007-05-02T02:51:34Z")
Tonight I went out to dinner with 3 girls , all of which are friends. I wore 10mcg of none, 1 spray TUTH, 7.5 mcg TAH, 7.5 TAL, and 12.5 mcg p79. Everyone of them bitched me out hardcore for no reason. One flipped at me because I would not watch Grey’s Anatomy with her. Eventually the manager came over and asked the girls to calm down or leave. I honestly said maybe 10 words the entire night and the rest of the time I got bitched at. 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/2 "2007-05-02T02:57:38Z")
Jas thinks: Way too much none and P79! They were probably P79-focusing on how aggravated the none made them feel. Happens _all the time_ with me + none + P79. It’s like parachute pants: a tricky beast to wear and pull off with style! Plus - there were THREE femmes. Each girl was picking up on each other’s aggravation/irritation and compounding it. sNONEball Effect in action! Well, I’m glad you made it out alive, mate. Guess ya won’t do THAT again, love! :o ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/3 "2007-05-02T02:59:07Z")
Why is it nobody wants to believe that none = aggression? You wore none and TUTH with none in it and expected what? ---
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 3:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/4 "2007-05-02T03:26:21Z")
I was under the impression that TUTH had 2.5 mcg per spray , and I was told that 15-20 mcg of none is optimal. Given that I had just taken a shower and I had just put on deodorant I did not think there would be any chance of an OD. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 3:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/5 "2007-05-02T03:33:33Z")
> [@m3turbo](#): > > I was under the impression that Turn Up The Heat had 2.5 mcg per spray , and I was told that 15-20 mcg of none is optimal. Given that I had just taken a shower and I had just put on deodorant I did not think there would be any chance of an OD. 😕 My God, who told you that? ---
**Author:** ![Dancing\_Joker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dancing_joker/32/1924_2.png) [@Dancing\_Joker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dancing_Joker)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 4:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/6 "2007-05-02T04:05:47Z")
I’ve managed to get over 100+ mcg of none on me without causing a riot 😮 But that’s only because I know how to buffer it well enough 😛 My typical daily none application levels probably run between 5-12.5 mcg at any one time … Every individual has his or her own tolerance level for none. It really does depend on how strong your own [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) levels are. There really isn’t any specific standard to go by, except that the younger you are, the less none you probably need because your body produces a lot more than an older individual would. Ethnicity also plays a part, as does diet and hygiene. Try incrementing up 1 spray at a time at each test occasion until you start seeing OD effects to determine your maximum allowable none level. ---
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 4:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/7 "2007-05-02T04:08:02Z")
I read it on a pheromone study somewhere where they sprayed various amounts of none on people and found that 20 mcg was the breaking point between positive and negative responses. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 4:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/8 "2007-05-02T04:42:58Z")
> [@m3turbo](#): > > I read it on a pheromone study somewhere where they sprayed various amounts of none on people and found that 20 mcg was the breaking point between positive and negative responses. Holy crap.. show us the study! ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/9 "2007-05-02T05:05:43Z")
Definitely the none and the P79. When I wear P79 with none, I tone the none down. To me P79 seems to make the positive effects of none stronger, but can also make you OD ---
**Author:** ![perronec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/perronec/32/1280_2.png) [@perronec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/perronec)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 5:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/10 "2007-05-02T05:12:48Z")
What are you guys using to taper the the -none off? I have some heavy -none products (instant jerk, Turn up the heat, ammo, Instant gentleman etc.), but im a little careful about using them, because im 22 and afraid of an OD. any suggestions? Spin ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 5:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/11 "2007-05-02T05:30:40Z")
> [@perronec](#): > > What are you guys using to taper the the -none off? I have some heavy -none products (instant jerk, Turn up the heat, ammo, Instant gentleman etc.), but im a little careful about using them, because im 22 and afraid of an OD. any suggestions? > > Spin dienone and alpha nol work well. any social or comfort type [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) should do well. The androstenone products offered by AD are pretty tame (not thats a bad thing) relative to others (except for RAW Power). PI and NPA are far more concentrated. Those were products that caused a lot of OD problems for me. Ammo and TUTH were far leess problematic…theres less to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 5:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/12 "2007-05-02T05:41:50Z")
TUTH already has P79 in it man! ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2007, 6:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/13 "2007-05-02T06:11:21Z")
You lucky dogs, I’ve never been able to OD on -none, and believe me I’ve tried. Must be a middle aged Asian thing but I can pour it on and responses only get better. Incidentally the worst mix I’ve ever tried was WAGG. It did exactly zero for me and was expensive to boot. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/14 "2007-05-03T16:42:30Z")
-rone seems to tame the -none like no other! Also alpha-nol and A1 as Sigma mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/15 "2007-05-03T19:33:28Z")
I went back to find the study where I read THat 20 mcg was the correct amount of none to wear and it turned out to be a commercially motivated study to promote pheromore. I guess thats what I get for being a dumbass. I thought the TAH and TAL would lighten up the none but that definitely did not happen. In reality I think it just made them less afraid to flip out at me. 😠 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/16 "2007-05-03T19:42:02Z")
i know for myself that there _are_ people who will get irritated and NOT tell you that you (as the 'none wearer) piss them off because alot of 'none = scary monster. i will not be in a hurry to tell scary monster that i feel irrate or uncomfortable. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bronzie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@bronzie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bronzie)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2007, 11:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/17 "2007-05-03T23:53:16Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i know for myself that there _are_ people who will get irritated and NOT tell you that you (as the 'none wearer) piss them off because > alot of 'none = scary monster. > > i will not be in a hurry to tell scary monster that i feel irrate or uncomfortable. > > 😉 Lor, very interesting… ---
**Author:** ![Leisha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/leisha/32/496_2.png) [@Leisha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leisha)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2007, 12:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/18 "2007-05-04T00:56:39Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i know for myself that there _are_ people who will get irritated and NOT tell you that you (as the 'none wearer) piss them off because > alot of 'none = scary monster. > > i will not be in a hurry to tell scary monster that i feel irrate or uncomfortable. > > 😉 Hmmmmm i be having brother who is wearing this none as he says so it is, but is not so much SCARY MONSTER to myself as him still is seems the same, and also Hungs friends wear of this when around me, so as take me for bed being very hopefull and with no thoughts of reality, and also as i being sexy girl as they say, but it not scare me or even effect me, as i am not ready for mans bed till i be married, as i am so sensable a girl. Even Lor i be advise you that when you get some expereence with these none then after some time you will not become scared of this SCARY MONSTER lol. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/19 "2007-05-05T06:49:03Z")
> [@perronec](#): > > What are you guys using to taper the the -none off? I have some heavy -none products (instant jerk, Turn up the heat, ammo, Instant gentleman etc.), but im a little careful about using them, because im 22 and afraid of an OD. any suggestions? > > Spin > [@sigma](#): > > Androstadienone and alpha Androstenol work well. any social or comfort type pheromones should do well. > > The androstenone products offered by AD are pretty tame (not thats a bad thing) relative to others (except for RAW Power). Primal Instinct and NPA are far more concentrated. Those were products that caused a lot of OD problems for me. Ammo and Turn Up The Heat were far leess problematic…theres less to worry about. > [@nbully](#): > > -Androsterone seems to tame the -none like no other! Also Alpha Androstenol and Androstadienone as Sigma mentioned. I guess a number of products/pheromones tame Androstenone: - A314 - straight Androsterone - WAGG - Androstadienone/IFM - P93 possibly at least for women (see toilofday’s P93 post that I have pasted in below). Just don’t go too high on any of these ‘tamers’ or you’ll lose the ‘sexual’ edge that Androstenone gives. > [@MX201/P93 with Shine and MX211 at a bar: social or sexual effect?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx201-p93-in-action-social-sexual/2342/27): > > ok so looking at this again I realized I didn’t fully explain the difference in hits between men and women. I don’t even remember what i’v written in the begining of this thread, so bear with me if I end up repeating myself. With women, I have notice that they are mildly uplifted. They seem to enjoy my presence. The first test I had there was a decrease in personal space with my female friends and so far I have notices reductions in space when wearing it in my normal mix. Then again there a… "…In regards to -none and [p93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) on women. Everytime I used a -none based product people seemed stand off ish, even with my first few runs of [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). So I began using [p93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) shortly there after with my -none mixes. (that was the plan initialy but I had to test [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) by it’s self a few time first) The problems that I normaly associate with -none seem to vanish when using [p93](https://a314.com/product/p93/). Don’t be confused by that. I doesn’t change the [OD](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics) ranges of -none. It’s not going to allow you to wear more than you normaly could, it just helps facilitate the effectiveness. BTW i’m I don’t like -none. It fogs me over at times, but with [p93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) i’ve developed a fondness for it…" ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 7:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462/20 "2007-05-05T07:51:42Z")
> [@](#): > > -Androsterone seems to tame the -none like no other! Also Alpha Androstenol and Androstadienone as Sigma mentioned. Also AndrostAnone buffers AndrostEnone well. Kinda takes the edge off -none without killing it, but seems more social as well. I’ve used them in various ratios but 1:1 worked well for me. Both are pretty stinky stuff so run for cover. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-mix-ever-none-tuth-tah-tal-and-p79-got-me-yelled-at-all-through-dinner/3462.md?page=2)