# Would adding Beta Androstenol to Instant Openness make it work like Instant Honesty? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 17, 2009, 11:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-adding-beta-androstenol-to-instant-openness-make-it-work-like-instant-honesty/30780 "2009-07-17T23:06:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Legaleaglegirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Legaleaglegirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Legaleaglegirl)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 11:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-adding-beta-androstenol-to-instant-openness-make-it-work-like-instant-honesty/30780/1 "2009-07-17T23:06:53Z")
I have a whole bottle of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), but I prefer the effects of Instant Honesty. Just wondering if mixing it with Beta Androstenol will make it work like IH? ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 11:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-adding-beta-androstenol-to-instant-openness-make-it-work-like-instant-honesty/30780/2 "2009-07-17T23:17:45Z")
[Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) actually contains B-nol in it. I think about 80% A-nol and 20% B-nol. IH has 80% B-nol and 20% A-nol. (Someone correct me if I’m off on these percentages). So depending on how much B-nol you add to it then yes it could turn into IH. ---
**Author:** ![reddog](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reddog/32/2091_2.png) [@reddog](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reddog)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-adding-beta-androstenol-to-instant-openness-make-it-work-like-instant-honesty/30780/3 "2009-07-18T01:23:42Z")
More likely CMTM2 which I understand is about 50/50 ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-adding-beta-androstenol-to-instant-openness-make-it-work-like-instant-honesty/30780/4 "2009-07-18T01:43:26Z")
> [@happykitsune](#): > > Instant Openness actually contains B-nol in it. I think about 80% A-nol and 20% B-nol. IH has 80% B-nol and 20% A-nol. (Someone correct me if I’m off on these percentages). So depending on how much B-nol you add to it then yes it could turn into IH. It’s more like 30%-70% alpha to beta for Instant Honesty and 70%-30% alpha to beta for [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)… but there are other steering molecules, which are different for each mix, I’ve been told. So it isn’t as straightforward as all that. So, you can’t get the exact same result from Instant Openness just by adding in Beta Androstenol. When I first started using Androtics I had the same kind of question… only mine was, “If you spray equal amounts of Instant Openness and Instant Honesty isn’t it the same as spraying Come Talk to Me?” CTTM is 50%-50% alpha and beta. But no, there’s more to these mixes than that. Diane ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-adding-beta-androstenol-to-instant-openness-make-it-work-like-instant-honesty/30780/5 "2009-07-18T02:48:55Z")
True there is a little more to the IH and IO commercial formulas than the 70/30 ratios of alpha/beta nols. However I found the differences in target reactions between the two on the subtle side: both ignited the verbal centers and helped project a healthy and friendly vibe. I strongly suspect a strong zap of beta nol to IO will bend it more to the OP’s preferences and in the direction of IH reactions. I have a bottle of Stone labs beta nol and found it works well in that regard. Personally I prefer straight up alpha nol for everyday use. Beta isn’t very fun at happy hour. Nothing worse than having to listen to the deep thoughts of a drunken airhead. Gleeful motomouth is far more pleasant… ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-adding-beta-androstenol-to-instant-openness-make-it-work-like-instant-honesty/30780/6 "2009-07-18T03:06:12Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > True there is a little more to the IH and IO commercial formulas than the 70/30 ratios of alpha/beta nols. However I found the differences in target reactions between the two on the subtle side: both ignited the verbal centers and helped project a healthy and friendly vibe. I strongly suspect a strong zap of beta nol to IO will bend it more to the OP’s preferences and in the direction of IH reactions. I have a bottle of Stone labs beta nol and found it works well in that regard. > > Personally I prefer straight up alpha nol for everyday use. Beta isn’t very fun at happy hour. Nothing worse than having to listen to the deep thoughts of a drunken airhead. Gleeful motomouth is far more pleasant… Yeah, but Betanol is the way to go if you want a deep headspace without all the blather of alphanol. It is _gooooood_ for intense sex. Diane ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 3:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-adding-beta-androstenol-to-instant-openness-make-it-work-like-instant-honesty/30780/7 "2009-07-21T03:25:42Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > It is _gooooood_ for intense sex. you mean beta-nol right? I remember you using 200mcg of that stuff!!! does it make your hubby incredibly talkative though? ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-adding-beta-androstenol-to-instant-openness-make-it-work-like-instant-honesty/30780/8 "2009-07-21T03:32:02Z")
> [@msselva](#): > > you mean beta-nol right? I remember you using 200mcg of that stuff!!! does it make your hubby incredibly talkative though? No. Unlike a mixture of alpha androstenol and beta androstenol, the straight beta androstenol doesn’t trigger the need for verbal communication in either my husband or myself, at least not at these high doses. What it seems to trigger, though is deeper communication in a physical sense. We both seem to be way more open with and to each other physically. In engenders a deep physical trust, and an almost “mystical” feeling of being safe and protected. It also seems to ramp up the ability to feel each other’s energy fields, and know how to connect into those and manipulate them. If you’ve ever experienced this you know what I mean. It’s my husband’s latest favorite game… to find those energy hot spots and ramp them up further. He loves it. But it doesn’t make either of us want to think deep thoughts or talk at all beyond, “Oh, fuck! That feels good!” 😃 Diane ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-adding-beta-androstenol-to-instant-openness-make-it-work-like-instant-honesty/30780/9 "2009-07-21T03:39:56Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > No. Unlike a mixture of alpha androstenol and beta androstenol, the straight beta androstenol doesn’t trigger the need for verbal communication in either my husband or myself, at least not at these high doses. > > What it seems to trigger, though is deeper communication in a physical sense. We both seem to be way more open with and to each other physically. In engenders a deep physical trust, and an almost “mystical” feeling of being safe and protected. Ah ok! this is certainly interesting and does make a lot of sense. > [@diane999](#): > > It also seems to ramp up the ability to feel each other’s energy fields, and know how to connect into those and manipulate them. If you’ve ever experienced this you know what I mean. It’s my husband’s latest favorite game… to find those energy hot spots and ramp them up further. He loves it. lol, I don’t think I’ve ever experienced this, so I’m slightly confused about the energy fields…however it’s intriguing. > [@diane999](#): > > But it doesn’t make either of us want to think deep thoughts or talk at all beyond, “Oh, fuck! That feels good!” 😃 HAHAHA…that’s something I’d do lol. :o