# Would You Try Paradox1's VL1? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 3, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030 "2014-11-03T20:09:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/1 "2014-11-03T20:09:39Z")
I have had inquiries about releasing VL1 to the community. I have been reporting the results of VL1 almost daily for 5 months ([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paradoxs-paradoxes-the-ravings-of-an-alchemist/52527](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paradoxs-paradoxes-the-ravings-of-an-alchemist/52527/103)). Here is a short summary. **VL1** VL1 seems to put people at ease. If I were to give it a name I would call it Instant friend. It seems to work on men and women. With women though it has some sort of romantic vibe also. In essence VL1 is like A1without the loss of libido and depression side effect. It’s not a heavy hard hitter like enone but it does hit. VL1 hits right away but takes some time to get to its full potential. It seems sticky and it ramps up over time. VL1 seems to last about 7 hours. It ramps up during that time period and hitting really good from the 5th to 7th hour. VL1 works great with enone. In fact, the VL1 and enone combination seems to have some synergy to it. **Would you try it if it were released?** Vote here so I can get an idea of whether or not I should release it. ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/2 "2014-11-03T20:28:22Z")
Absolutely, I will give it a go. .. ---
**Author:** ![Himeros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/himeros/32/2325_2.png) [@Himeros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Himeros)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/3 "2014-11-03T20:46:17Z")
Count me in. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2014, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/4 "2014-11-03T23:45:37Z")
Unquestionably interested 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 12:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/5 "2014-11-04T00:29:09Z")
What measures have you taken to exclude all known compounds? ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/6 "2014-11-04T01:08:07Z")
It’s undiscovered. There are somewhere over 100 known putatives. While I don’t know every putative, I’m nearly 100% sure this substance has not been touched yet. It’s in the realm of Erox’s ER303 in that it is in a place where no one has looked…yet. I have checked all 4 [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) forums and only one group is actively doing research. They are looking elsewhere. In essence I am not looking for putatives where everyone else is looking. I had a hunch that VL1 could be a putative. Truthfully, I’m still shocked that it is a real putative…and it works! It’s been 6 months since I discovered it and even when I see it working I don’t believe it. I really like to wear it daily. Not because I discovered it but because it works. It’s so cool. I like it! I’m thinking about sharing my discovery with you guys. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 1:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/7 "2014-11-04T01:15:00Z")
OK I am changing my mind. I don’t have as much experience as you Paradox. Most of the good P’s were out from 2011 until 2014. So I am just now getting at them. But if they put VL in a mix pack maybe. I would have to blind test VL against the world’s toughest known P’s. The ones there are few if any reports. If I can spot the real one out of a pack of 10 I will know it is for real. I am on a budget but if the MX pack were no more than maybe $100 for reporting users I would probably be in. Only the best testers are going to spot the real VL1. It is a skill level test. There should be a prize or something. Ok. If they will do it I will. Let’s see. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 1:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/8 "2014-11-04T01:23:38Z")
> [@paradox1](#): > > It’s undiscovered. There are somewhere over 100 known putatives. While I don’t know every putative, I’m nearly 100% sure this substance has not been touched yet. > > It’s in the realm of Erox’s ER303 in that it is in a place where no one has looked…yet. I have checked all 4 pheromone forums and only one group is actively doing research. They are looking elsewhere. > > In essence I am not looking for putatives where everyone else is looking. I had a hunch that VL1 could be a putative. Truthfully, I’m still shocked that it is a real putative…and it works! > > It’s been 6 months since I discovered it and even when I see it working I don’t believe it. I really like to wear it daily. Not because I discovered it but because it works. > > It’s so cool. I like it! I’m thinking about sharing my discovery with you guys. Don’t close the poll so soon though! I mean give it a fair shake. Give it a month or so. There are other experienced people who may want a shot at it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 10:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/9 "2014-11-04T10:58:04Z")
I’d like to try it,. ---
**Author:** ![kmacc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kmacc/32/267_2.png) [@kmacc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kmacc)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 12:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/10 "2014-11-04T12:19:40Z")
I’ld give it a short, my season is coming to an end. So I’ m looking at some good testing free time. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 1:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/11 "2014-11-04T13:00:24Z")
How would you decide if VL1 is better or worse than one of the known putatives ( P90 )? ---
**Author:** ![Panikos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/panikos/32/1019_2.png) [@Panikos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Panikos)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 2:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/12 "2014-11-04T14:25:33Z")
It sounds really interesting! I don’t get any side effects from using A1 and ‘heavy’ -none products but I would like to try this one. Thank you for the info paradox1 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 2:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/13 "2014-11-04T14:58:03Z")
The formula for A1 is C19 H26 O. You’re certain this is not a geometric conformer of A1? You excluded other Dienes? -eNone, for example, is not a diene. You’ve done annotated bibliography of known diene [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/)? Obviously this project would cost money. I know one vendor ceased his blind testing due to the cost of converting the A1 diene skeleton to other molecules (using A1 as the skeleton starting material)…the synthesis is upwards of thousands of dollars. You have to pay for the starting material, synthesis, reagents and analytical testing. How would this be crowdfunded? Would there be investors. ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/14 "2014-11-04T15:41:55Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > **How would you decide if VL1 is better or worse than one of the known putatives ( P90 )?** I’m not quite sure what makes one putative better than another. All Putatives seem to work in one way or another. Some are social (like VL1) some are Alpha and some are sexual (like enone). Seems to me from the reviews that P90 is goofy and upbeat. To me VL1 is not that type of Putative it has a slight emotional pitch. VL1 says “I know you. You’re cool with me”. > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > **The formula for A1 is C19 H26 O. You’re certain this is not a geometric conformer of A1? You excluded other Dienes? -eNone, for example, is not a diene.** VL1 is not a geometric conformer of A1. It acts like A1. I use that molecule because it’s one that I have experience with. I like A1 but I don’t like it’s dark side. VL1 does not have A1’s bad effects. It’s a friendly molecule. > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > **How would this be crowdfunded? Would there be investors.** Androtics may distribute this molecule for testing and may add the molecule for regular purchase if all is well. I haven’t decided yet if I want to let go of VL1. This industry is small but growing. I don’t want to look back in my old age and regret dealing with Androtics. They seem to deal in good faith with their customers and be dedicated to moving this industry forward. I have never had a problem with Customer Service in my 4 years of dealing with them. Greed is terrible. However, Androtics seems to be more giving than anything else. Other than using the word “Secretive” I can’t say anything bad about them. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 4:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/15 "2014-11-04T16:16:11Z")
Right. What putative is it closest to? Businesswise, it has to be superior to less expensive molecules to justify a $5K synthesis? Ok. Follow me for a sec. Say PXXX is really good stuff. Maybe not as good as VL1 but really good. According to your tests Para., your own private notes. So your notes say VL1 is better than PXX. So you do beta testing. You send out PXX in a MX pack vs. ANOL. If people say PXX is the hidden gem (where has it been hiding), then your perceptions of PXX match the crowd. So, you have a evidence basis to justify getting VL1. VL1 is obviously not a shelf item. You have to hire the chemist and pay up front. But if VL1 is better than the PXX gem, the cost may be worth it. If it is another P88 or P90 or better than A1 with no depression. Maybe. Really, VL1 should be blind tested in a MX pack vs. A1. But they are not going to use A1 so that is out. You could do a MX pack with P96 perhaps. Or whatever was in the old “Versus A1” MX pack. Again if you have investors it is only investor capital at risk. That is what is called a contract synthesis. They just go to their chemist and make it. I guess…ok…where the rubber meets the road. VL1 is good but is it $5,000 Good? Is it good enough to kickstarter it and make it happen? So yes, I bet if you wanted a contract synthesis they would treat you like other wholesale clients with contracts and so on. Again just conjecture on my part. But back to my earlier point I never got and never will get P90, which is true of anyone who joined in the last 3-4 years. So I couldn’t tell you VL1 was or wasn’t superior. Same with P88. I just don’t have that knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2014, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/16 "2014-11-04T18:51:42Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Right. What putative is it closest to? A1 is the only one that comes to mind because VL1 seems to have a slight emotional pull > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > **Businesswise, it has to be superior to less expensive molecules to justify a $5K synthesis?** VL1 is a high value, low cost putative. You can make an ample supply for less than $5000. > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > **Really, VL1 should be blind tested in a MX pack…** It would be up to Androtics as to how they want to test VL1. I would recomment a 3 bottle test with 1 VL1, 1 blank and 1 TAC (or something similar). > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > **VL1 is good but is it $5,000 Good?** VL1 is good. I can buy it and mix it myself. I can afford it. It is cheaper than buying a $65 bottle of pheromones that don’t work. No special chemist is needed. The only thing that I need is PA. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 4:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/17 "2014-11-08T16:49:37Z")
Really mysterious… I’m in, I like the Twilight Zone… ---
**Author:** ![flacowww](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@flacowww](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flacowww)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/would-you-try-paradox1s-vl1/190030/18 "2015-05-20T14:56:25Z")
> [@paradox1](#): > > i have had inquiries about releasing vl1 to the community. > > I have been reporting the results of vl1 almost daily for 5 months ([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paradoxs-paradoxes-the-ravings-of-an-alchemist/52527](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paradoxs-paradoxes-the-ravings-of-an-alchemist/52527/103)). Here is a short summary. > > **vl1** > > vl1 seems to put people at ease. If i were to give it a name i would call it instant friend. It seems to work on men and women. With women > though it has some sort of romantic vibe also. > > In essence vl1 is like a1without the loss of libido and depression side effect. It’s not a heavy hard hitter like enone but it does hit. > > vl1 hits right away but takes some time to get to its full potential. It seems sticky and it ramps up over time. > > vl1 seems to last about 7 hours. It ramps up during that time period and hitting really good from the 5th to 7th hour. > > vl1 works great with enone. In fact, the vl1 and enone combination seems to have some synergy to it. > > **would you try it if it were released?** > > vote here so i can get an idea of whether or not i should release it. take my money now