# You have not seen game **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [September 22, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973 "2010-09-22T15:01:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973/1 "2010-09-22T15:01:36Z")
[http://approachanxiety.com/2010/09/you-have-not-seen-game/](http://approachanxiety.com/2010/09/you-have-not-seen-game/) ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 4:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973/2 "2010-09-23T04:51:08Z")
_buys ticket to the Ukraine_ ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973/3 "2010-09-23T05:12:52Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > _buys ticket to the Ukraine_ Grab me one to Time to clean house. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 11:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973/4 "2010-09-23T23:29:29Z")
Forget about it to go to Ukraine unless you´re interested in whores … Or you could learn Ukrainian ( no no … no Russian ) and give your best to get them. It´s old story for AFC´s that there are much more women then man and that women prefere foreingners to their Ukrainian or Russian man because fo alcohol abuse and violence . Sounds to good to be true for a Wussy to be a really nice guy and women love you for it ! WRONG there ! Russia for example has the second largest PUA community in the world and they do have game ! Even if there are women walking by in St Petersburg and their look lets your blood freeze into your veins ! How do you wanna talk to them ? Little to NO english ! Ah i see PheroQuirk lives in London … Ever been to Tallina or Riga ? Pago ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973/5 "2010-09-24T17:42:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Forget about it to go to Ukraine unless you´re interested in whores … Have you been to Ukraine? I haven’t. > [@](#): > > Even if there are women walking by in St Petersburg and their look lets your blood freeze into your veins ! > How do you wanna talk to them ? > Little to NO english ! Some of the more cerebral men I know married girls they met in Russia (St Petersburg and Moscow, but before the boom) with mixed results. Two very happy so far, one was used and dumped (but he was nonetheless very happy on balance to have spent a few years with a gorgeous ballerina). > [@](#): > > Ah i see PheroQuirk lives in London … > Ever been to Tallina or Riga ? Yes - several times, in part for business. Very beautiful women, no doubt, but rather saturated with stag parties. Also much more influenced by Western culture in recent years. Foreigners are much less a novelty than in the early 90s… but there may be more receptiveness to foreigners today than a few years ago given the economic slump in the Baltic States. I think there has to be a cultural compatibility and your mileage may vary on that front. I think you probably end up doing much better if you make local friends there. Bear in mind these are very small places socially. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973/6 "2010-09-24T17:45:30Z")
The point of the article really was that there is a bubble in the value of womens’ attractiveness versus other attributes in the Anglo world. The rest of the world - particularly emerging countries - is not like that. The Anglo bubble is bursting, but it will take a while. In the meantime, it’s fun to qualify on other traits because in the end they’re actually more important. “You’re hot, but can you cook?” (Clarification - a bubble in the value of womens’ _physical_ attractiveness) ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 5:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973/7 "2010-09-24T17:54:46Z")
Interesting concept and if I do recall Yuri (Nicolos Cage) in [Lord of War (2005)](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399295/) uses similar methods to woo Ava and both are originally from Ukraine. I guess the directors did their homework and its also why Nic is a great actor 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973/8 "2010-09-24T18:28:01Z")
Hi Gents .. of course i´ve been to Ukraina … been to L´viv and to Kharkiv … been to Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Hungaria, Czech Republic, Slovakia as well. I totally agree with you when you say that things were better before the boom . Nowadys the western culture has arrived in Ukraina as well and behaviour of women changed and is changing … Like you mentioned in the Baltics it´s over saturated with westerners because of the stag party´s and good way, is to make some friends the normal way, to meet girls this way. Women in eastern Europe see man with different eyes and have different education and values. I reacted a little bit over and i´m sorry for that ! The reason for this is that i´ve read something like this on several “PU” sites. you can book a course at PU Training ( Gambler ) where you´re going to do a sarging weekend at Riga or Kiew after the course ( i´m not sure if they have actually such courses in their portfolio .. PU Training Germany has ) Even Badboy does such courses. It makes me sad for the guys who join such courses beeing promised easy game ! Well nice thing to try out some new achieved abilities … but how far will it take them when they are back home ? Pago ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973/9 "2010-09-24T18:42:27Z")
Eastern European women are coming from a vastly different cultural experience… their culture values friendship in ways that Americans can find frustrating, b/c they don’t believe in instant bonding like Americans, they think it is weird… they can have quite paradoxical traits that are hard for more western guys to understand… so if you go in with expectations that they are blond, intense versions of American women you’re in for a surprise… definitely can be moody, too… Russians practically fetishize their moods… ---
**Author:** ![iSmellNice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ismellnice/32/1188_2.png) [@iSmellNice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/iSmellNice)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973/10 "2010-09-28T13:44:40Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > so if you go in with expectations that they are blond, intense versions of American women you’re in for a surprise… definitely can be moody, too… Russians practically fetishize their moods… LOL, nice way of putting it. I’ve dated many Russian women and hung out with a bunch more. I had a recent conversation with two of them (see my journal for more) and asked them what is the essential difference between the Russian mentality and an American one when it comes to being social and dating? I’d asked them because I was puzzled by the somewhat introverted, semi-dismissive vibe I would get from them. Almost every woman has a shield initially, but Russian women’s shields tend to have a different vibe to it. It’s really puzzling. For example… I was exiting a supermarket with my groceries and two Russian girls approached me on the sidewalk. They asked for directions. **Important note: THEY initiated communication with ME.** Not 1/4th of the way into my answering them, they started giving me negative body language, as if to say “why are you talking to us? Go away!” WTH! I didn’t have BO, nor did I have any knowledge of mones at the time. Shrug. It was this incident that really cemented my curiosity about the unique nature of Russian women and culture in general. I’d noticed it over and over and over, this “talk to me, wait, why are you talking to me?” sudden mood switch subtext. The Russian girls I’d asked about this quirk told me - essentially - that Russian people simply aren’t as open as North Americans. Typically, when you go out to parties, people are more approachable in North America and not quite so serious. This is not a judgment on my part, just what she told me. Takes a little more time for our Rooskie friends to warm up to social situations, apparently, or at least to be comfortable with U.S. party mentality brouhaha. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973/11 "2010-09-28T21:47:08Z")
Well that’s because its COLD in Russia ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/you-have-not-seen-game/41973/12 "2010-09-29T00:19:29Z")
RGs can be quite variable… however they make a clear distinction between _kulturny_ and _nekulturny_, cultured and uncultured mentality… and sometimes between _muzhik_ and cosmopolitan types… I spent a little time with a country girl, she was hilariously eccentric, big boned, I’d call her a _muzhik_ and she’d laugh, she thought it was even funnier when I called her a _kolkozhnik_, a collective farm girl… she had no pretensions, being a good muzhik… the self conscious city girls that come from Moscow people see themselves as a natural elite… this prob. comes from their history of being a few islands of europeanized privilege is a vast sea of medieval backwardness… my lovely padruga Elena told me how foulmouthed most Russian men are… she would never translate some of their fine thoughts..she’s just whistle and say “wooof” like only Russian girls can do… like, so disgusting it would melt your ears…