# 'Younger man's A314' fuzed with the 'cool guy vibe': combining MX105 with P74 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 26, 2007, 10:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/younger-mans-a314-fuzed-with-the-cool-guy-vibe-combining-mx105-with-p74/6929 "2007-11-26T10:59:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 18
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 3:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/younger-mans-a314-fuzed-with-the-cool-guy-vibe-combining-mx105-with-p74/6929/18 "2007-12-09T03:11:07Z")
**While Alpha-Androstenol may be the essential third pillar in the MX105/P74 combo, I think it might be best that it were kept out of a future oil-based MX105/P74 formula. Like MHarris said late last year (see first pasted post below), he prefers core effects of Androtics flagship A314-product to stay the same. I guess the core ‘Younger Man’s A314’/‘Cool guy vibe’ (‘Higher social status’) effect that the MX105/P74 combo could bring should also ‘be left alone’ - people could add other pheromones for ‘taste’ as they wish.** **Also we do know that A314 components (like those in MX105) can last a good 10-12 hours in an oil base. P74 seems to be suprisingly long lasting as well based on May and Matthew24’s posts I pasted in above. In my opinion P74, is far longer lasting (diffuses slower) than Alpha-Androstenol as well-though the putative’s effects can be a little inconsistent without another ‘communication-driver’ in there.** **So the ideal strategy might be to have a core long lasting oil-based MX105/P74 product and add to it products that contain substantial amounts of Alpha-Androstenol - [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) / Spaceland / CTTM. So theoretically more sprays of the Alpha-Androstenol product could be added later in the day/night to maintain the ‘Socially Alpha effect’. Of course Androstenone (or even possibly P83) could be added for a more sexually aggressive vibe…** [A314 New Scents & Essential oils: Your immediate opinion required - #57 by MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-new-scents-essential-oils-your-immediate-opinion-required/852/57) ([A314 New Scents & Essential oils: Your immediate opinion required - #57 by MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-new-scents-essential-oils-your-immediate-opinion-required/852/57)) MHarris (December 27, 2006): “Guys, we’ve sold out of this microbatch of A314 ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)). We had about 100 bottles. The [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) “core” for a new batch has already been made. I’d like to finalize it today. How did those of you who picked up this batch like it? I don’t mean the scent, per se… I mean the pheromonal effects. Ever so slight tweaks were made. It was closer to the formula used in MX172 than it was [MX102](https://pheromonelabs.com/). \*\*I’m willing to make other, _very small_ additions or subtractions. The core effects must remain the same, so no dramatic recommendations, please. i..e., I’m not going to add **P76 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)), P77 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) or P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) to Classic. As useful as it’d be to make the product more “all in one”, I’m not going to add a major amount of alpha \*\*androstenol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)), either. Not to the core “classic” formula, anyway. Again, any tweaks should only serve to support or enhance the core effects, not change their nature.** **No George Lucas style editing.** Given those parameters, let me know your experiences with the last batch and ideas for the next. I’ll do my best. Michael” [Is Instant Openness too serious? Should its alpha androstenol be raised?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-openness/96/4) ([Is Instant Openness too serious? Should its alpha androstenol be raised?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-openness/96/4)) MHarris (February 3, 2006): “They do. They use dpg as a fixative, which is good, but not great. **I may be moving to a different glycol entirely that has shown itself to be about 20% better than DPG at fixation.** **For pheromones such as androstenol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) and \*\*TAA ([Molecule A – Carefree Youthful Uplifting Pheromone - Pheromone Labs](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/))**, though, that still might not be “good enough”.\*\* The compounds in the orange formula used in the Instant line work much better to a give nice extended release and a superior “pheromone cloud”. I want to keep the Instant line simple, but ExperiMone users tend to know what they’re doing much more than a newbie… I think I’ll add the orange mixture as an option… both a light (same as Instant line) and heavy options.” [Raw Power vs. androstenone spray - #2 by MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/raw-power-vs-androstenone-spray/157/2) ([Raw Power vs. androstenone spray - #2 by MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/raw-power-vs-androstenone-spray/157/2)) MHarris (February 21, 2006): “…Raw Power has a couple of diffusion enhancers that do bring out the natural androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) odor a little more (to those who can smell it), but otherwise, it’s unscented. Sprays, especially high volume sprays like the ones we use, almost always diffuse pheromones better than point application products. Visualize the [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) molecules, if you will. With a typical oil, you’re applying a dot and spread it over a limited area. You’re stacking the [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) molecules high, one on top of each other. With a high-volume spray, you’re spreading a fine layer across a larger area of skin. The skin is the heated surface who’s job is to help diffuse molecules on it’s surface. The more you stack molecules, the less they heat up and diffuse… especially [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/), which has a high affinity for the skin, and for other [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) molecule. It loves to hold on, and NOT diffuse. As a metaphor, think of an imaginary tall pot of water with very little width or length, more like a tall glass of water than a pot. Very little bottom to touch the heated surface area of a stove. This is similar to point application style products, such the oil and alcohol based ones that use droppers. Contrast that to a big, wide pot, that’s short. Lots of area to make contact with the heat source, and a big wide mouth with lots of surface area to release steam from. A big wide pan like this would be more akin to a spray product. The more surface area you cover, the faster and easier it is to heat up the pheromone molecules. You also have more area to diffuse from. Two pluses in terms of diffusion. Where point applied oil based products really shine is in warm weather. Your body is virtually a _diffusion machine_ when it gets hot out, and it’s nice to have the rate limiting effect of oil products at that time. The other area where oils sometimes shine is with molecules that tend to diffuse quickly on their own.\*\* Unlike \*\ ***androstenone** ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/))**, which can stick to the skin for days, alpha androstenol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) diffuses very quickly in comparison. It’s fleeting and can benefit from oil application.** You don’t get the intensity of reactions from oil-Androstenol as you do spray [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), but the effect you do get is long lasting. (We do have 11,400 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) per bottle alpha [androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), beta [androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Androsterone @ 20mcg drop drop; twice the dose of [Raw power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/), at the same price as [Raw power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/))” [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opt-in-for-the-spray-a314-experiments/326/36](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/opt-in-for-the-spray-a314-experiments/326/36) MHarris (May 5, 2006): “…**Another upside, besides being “fragrance free”, though, is that some of the pheromones will be faster acting. TAA ([Molecule A – Carefree Youthful Uplifting Pheromone - Pheromone Labs](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/)) and a-Androstenol.** **Of course, that’s a downside if you want them to last laster.** That’s the advantage to the orange additive overall — the pheromonal affinity of the molecules in there that act to regulate diffusion smooths a lot of attributes… you don’t have to think so hard about whether this particular mix is appropriate for summer or not, if it’s not going to work as well because it’s like the Ice Age outside, **or if the TAA ([Molecule A – Carefree Youthful Uplifting Pheromone - Pheromone Labs](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/)) and alpha Androstenol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) content will run out far faster than the none content, causing you to become a stinky, intense behemoth over the next few hours**…” [Not sure what to get, would like osme advice. - #4 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure-what-to-get-would-like-osme-advice/103/4) ([Not sure what to get, would like osme advice. - #4 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/not-sure-what-to-get-would-like-osme-advice/103/4)) tacitus (January 18, 2006): “…**so possibly some A314 ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)) as a fixative base to hold the lighter pheromones down for a while, \*\*TAK ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/))**, \*\ ***TAA** ([Molecule A – Carefree Youthful Uplifting Pheromone - Pheromone Labs](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/)) **, and Alpha Androstenol ?** Light, romantic, fun, peaceful… ” [Nioxin, build up, etc.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nioxin-build-up-etc/1316/25) ([Nioxin, build up, etc.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nioxin-build-up-etc/1316/25)) PheroQuirk (June 1, 2007): “…Fem and chill pheromones can counterbalance a none [OD](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics), **but that is a delicate art and the problem is that they tend to be more volatile - so that a few hours later all you are left with is scary none monster,** which is only fine in very restricted circumstances.” --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/younger-mans-a314-fuzed-with-the-cool-guy-vibe-combining-mx105-with-p74/6929)._