# Your Feedback on FF20 - FF21 & FF22 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 25, 2009, 6:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917 "2009-09-25T06:20:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/81 "2009-10-13T01:22:03Z")
These scents have been tough, because in a way they all smell good in their own right. I used my AMMO scented in FF21 and it’s not that bad, it’s a little too sweet and green when you’re spraying yourself but then when it dries down it’s not too bad or overpowering. It’s only when you spray yourself that the scent then hits you hard, but dry down is decent. I’m also actually starting to dig FF22, but there’s also some room for FF20 because that one (FF20) just smells so classy. Like a top notch cologne a rich person would wear, and to be honest it does smell good as well. The dry down gets a bit soft and better to me, so I wouldn’t want to see this one go to waste. If anything I’d love to see FF20 used in Androsterone mixes or possibly even A314, reason why? Because I think the top notch cologne scent will help portray the Alpha/business man aura even more with its scent because it really does smell rich and famous. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/82 "2009-10-13T02:19:14Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > These scents have been tough, because in a way they all smell good in their own right. I used my AMMO scented in FF21 and it’s not that bad, it’s a little too sweet and green when you’re spraying yourself but then when it dries down it’s not too bad or overpowering. It’s only when you spray yourself that the scent then hits you hard, but dry down is decent. I’m also actually starting to dig FF22, but there’s also some room for FF20 because that one (FF20) just smells so classy. Like a top notch cologne a rich person would wear, and to be honest it does smell good as well. The dry down gets a bit soft and better to me, so I wouldn’t want to see this one go to waste. > > If anything I’d love to see FF20 used in Androsterone mixes or possibly even A314, reason why? Because I think the top notch cologne scent will help portray the Alpha/business man aura even more with its scent because it really does smell rich and famous. I totally agree. I’d love to see them offer FF20 as an option even if it isn’t really appropriate for the Ammo scent. Thanks for the mini review of the FF21 Ammo. I’ve been wondering how that has been working out. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/83 "2009-10-13T02:40:15Z")
No problem Snoops, it’s great. But since it’s in 2.5 I have to wear more sprays since I usually wear three Heavy AMMO sprays (sometimes 4.) So I had to spray a lot, but the scent didn’t overpower once it dried down, plus I must add that it was sprayed over 2 sprays of MX289, and two of IHx4 which are in the neroli scent. I didn’t really notice a clash there, as all I could smell in the end was the FF21. The collar of the shirt I was wearing at the time still had a nice fresh crisp scent from the FF21 after taking my shirt off. It’s quite pleasant, I like it. > [@Snoopyace](#): > > I totally agree. I’d love to see them offer FF20 as an option even if it isn’t really appropriate for the Ammo scent. Thanks for the mini review of the FF21 Ammo. I’ve been wondering how that has been working out. ---
**Author:** ![moonwhisper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonwhisper/32/1735_2.png) [@moonwhisper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonwhisper)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/84 "2009-10-13T16:12:02Z")
I know I’m joining the discussion way too late to cast a vote, but I just got the scent testers yesterday. Initial responses to the FF20, FF21 and FF22 scent package testers. **FF20** This one smells clean and soapy to me. It makes me think of Irish Spring soap, and for that reason it strikes a chord. My husband used to wash with Irish Spring when we were still dating, and the smell takes me back. For sentimental reasons, I like it. But I don’t really care for the scent on its own merits. **FF21** This is much stronger. Herbaceous and citrusy. It has better diffusion, I think, than the others, and seems to last longer. It also felt greasy on the skin when applied, which makes me think it has a higher oil content than FF20 and FF22. This could very well be why it lasts so much longer. It makes me think of mug shaving soap. **FF22** This one is lighter, more spicy and somewhat sweet. The smell of sandalwood is very obvious to me. It makes me think of a sunshiny day. This one makes me feel comfortable, ‘at home’. I could get really close to this. I can’t seem to stop sniffing it, really enjoying this scent. If I could still vote, I would vote for **FF22**. ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/85 "2009-10-13T23:33:23Z")
> [@moonwhisper](#): > > If I could still vote, I would vote for **FF22**. Hey look at that! I just noticed the pooling is closed, does that mean we will be finding out what the new ammo scent is soon? On a side note I spritzed on some FF22 before I went to work the other day, I have to say I’m really liking this particular scent. I with only one spray on my skin I found it seemed to last for quite a while, after a few hours it seemed to die down to a light and pleasant musk. If this one doesn’t turn out to be the new scent I really hope we can at least custom order a bottle with this scent package. ---
**Author:** ![LeafStamp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/leafstamp/32/376_2.png) [@LeafStamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LeafStamp)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2009, 12:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/86 "2009-10-15T12:38:35Z")
I tested this on 5 different people (including myself) They were: #1 - Guy. Almost 20. #2 - Guy. 20 years old. #3 - Girl. Almost 19 (my girlfriend) #4 - Me. 20 years old. #5 - Guy. 21 years old. **FF20:** 1: Toilet spray. Air Freshener. Wouldn’t wear it. 2: Mosquito Repellant. Musty. Floral. Wouldn’t wear it. 3: Too strong. Wouldn’t like to smell it. 4: Alcoholy. Flowery. Old Furniture. Wouldn’t wear it. 5: Sweet. Womanly. Floral. Wouldn’t wear it. **FF21:** 1: Less florally. Woodsy. Possibly wear it. 2: Bees. Honey. Potent. Wouldn’t wear it - too feminine. 3: “I think they gave us the women’s perfume instead of the colognes”. Would be ok on a gay guy. 4: Air freshner. potpourri. Makeupy. Wouldn’t wear it. 5: Basic. No. **FF22:** 1: Lighter. Dishwashing liquid. Weak. Wouldn’t wear it. 2: Subtle. Fragrant. Hand-soap. Would Possibly wear it. 3: Dishwashing Liquid. Whiteware family. Would like it on a guy. 4: Faded. In the background. Clean. Possibly wear it. 5: Lavenders. Floral. Would Wear it. FF22 was the clear winner. Hopefully that helps. I think I was overly harsh because I was constantly comparing them to Game which I really like. Oh well, I hope that helps! ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/87 "2009-10-16T20:20:34Z")
I sprayed each on a card and smelled it to get an initial impression. I ranked them FF21 most pleasant, then FF22 and FF20 least favorable. Then I sprayed them on myself and wore them for several hours (on separate days, of course). I got the exact opposite results. I got sick of the smell of FF21 real fast. FF22 had a very commercial smell that reminded me of cheap sun tan lotion. FF20 had a more traditional smell that was alright. I am not going apeshit over any of these fragrances. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 1:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/88 "2009-10-20T13:10:22Z")
I used FF21 and found it smells exactly the same as my Irish Spring “Icy Blast” deoderant. ---
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 4:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/89 "2009-10-28T04:53:42Z")
Today, my ex and her friend stopped by for a little to hangout and I figured it was a perfect chance to test out the scents. Ex is 21 years old and her friend is 20. I told them I was going to buy a new cologne and had the company send me samples to see which one I wanted to order 😛. This is what happened: **FF20** Ex: Smells like one of my perfumes Friend: Ya it does Me: Then your perfume smells like my bathroom air freshener **FF21** Ex: It’s like you just did the dishes or something Friend: You’re right it does smell like that Me: Ya it smells like soap **FF22** Ex: Smells like my dad’s cologne Friend: Oh my gosh you’re right! Me: It’s like someone left a bottle of polo sport out in the sun Conclusions: Both girls hated all 3 (for a guy, apparently 20 would be good for them) and said that I’d be dumb to pay for any of them. Sorry if it’s harsh, but it’s what they said. I wasn’t too fond of them either. If I had to pick one it would be FF22, but **only** because it’s the least bad of the three (if that makes sense). I really prefer the current smell of AMMO. I like it a LOT and I only hope that if one of the FFs are used that the original scent still be made available as an option. Otherwise I’m not sure I’d be wearing AMMO anymore. All of these scents had a tendency to linger for quite some time, and I wouldn’t want that when I’m spraying myself with 2-3 shots of AMMO. Plus, it would be hard to cover scent any of these with a better cologne of my own collection. ---
**Author:** ![LeafStamp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/leafstamp/32/376_2.png) [@LeafStamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LeafStamp)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 5:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/90 "2009-10-28T05:33:38Z")
> [@scotties123](#): > > Conclusions: > Both girls hated all 3 (for a guy, apparently 20 would be good for them) and said that I’d be dumb to pay for any of them. Sorry if it’s harsh, but it’s what they said. I wasn’t too fond of them either. If I had to pick one it would be FF22, but **only** because it’s the least bad of the three (if that makes sense). I really prefer the current smell of AMMO. I like it a LOT and I only hope that if one of the FFs are used that the original scent still be made available as an option. Otherwise I’m not sure I’d be wearing AMMO anymore. All of these scents had a tendency to linger for quite some time, and I wouldn’t want that when I’m spraying myself with 2-3 shots of AMMO. Plus, it would be hard to cover scent any of these with a better cologne of my own collection. Exactly same thoughts here. I wasn’t too psyched about any of the FF’s. When compared to [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/), Grapefruit, or Game - it’s completely in another league. But I also preferred 22 over the others. Lesser of three evils 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/91 "2009-11-01T20:36:45Z")
I’ve tried each, on separate days, with one spray to one wrist rubbed against the other wrist. FF20 - The best of the lot, after dry down, a nice warm, mellow scent. FF21 - way too strong on first application (top note) but then a tangy base note. Reminds me of like a commercial, low buck cologne FF22 - a bit “green” but I’m largely indifferent to it. Order of Preference FF20 \>\> FF22 \>\> F21 ---
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/92 "2009-11-01T20:39:02Z")
FF22 has been selected according to a recent post by Steve. > [@Steve](#): > > I asked and got approval to have it made with FF22 two weeks ago! So what’s the holdup? I don’t know ☹ ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/93 "2009-11-01T21:12:03Z")
Although the poll is already closed and it seems like we have a winner, I’d still like to give my 2 Euro-cents… 😉 FF21 - To me this smells really cheap. I know the smell from somewhere, or at least it reminds me strongly of something I know, and I’m pretty positive it’s been something like an air freshener for bathrooms or something like that… A very strong scent, seems to have much staying power. But sadly, for this scent this isn’t a positive… FF22 - Not too different from FF21 for me. Less chemical, less strong, but still I wouldn’t enjoy smelling this stuff on me for a whole day! Still smells cheap. FF20 - For me this is the only one that goes in the direction of ‘wearable’ for me. Much more classy, not as cheap and chemical smelling as the other two. But I’m not sure this one would fit Ammo good - it’s most probably better fitting a product with pronounced class and style (if that makes even any sense in english 😉) like A314. I believe someone else on here already suggested the same. So overall I have to admit I’m pretty much disappointed by all three, but especially by FF21 and FF22. After the big announcement I wouldn’t have expected something that smells like my bath cleaner. That may sound harsh, but that’s my honest feedback. Not one of them smells like a high class fragrance to me - and that’s basically what I expected after reading Michaels announcement thread on them. As a fragrance to wear all day I’d most probably won’t buy any of them. Thanks goodness I can get my Ammo unscented! 🙂 But unfortunately that’s not true for the new MXs that might be coming out with these new scent packages. But… I wanted to cut down my phero budget anyway after checking what I’ve invested here over the last 2 1/2 years… 😮 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/94 "2009-11-05T00:14:30Z")
The poll isnt closed. At least it doesnt look closed. Am I seeing things ---
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/95 "2009-11-05T00:17:56Z")
it _was_ closed but now it seems to be open again. kinda weird. dunno. ---
**Author:** ![Mecca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@Mecca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mecca)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/96 "2009-11-05T23:53:33Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > I only posted what I have found so far. Please feel free to quote what you can and post more here. Even if you want to keep your individual threads going just link back to here. It just makes life so much more easier for me 🙂. I guess I’m just lazy steve which fragance is still available for sale and how do i order them.😕 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917/97 "2009-11-06T22:00:52Z")
> [@Mecca](#): > > steve which fragance is still available for sale and how do i order them.😕 They were sent out as samplers to our reporting users. Oh and BTW the reporting users should be updated very soon. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-feedback-on-ff20-ff21-ff22/189917.md?page=4)