# Your thoughts on what happened here? (Ammo+Instant Shine+P86= huh?) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 2, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-thoughts-on-what-happened-here-ammo-instant-shine-p86-huh/16775 "2008-08-02T22:01:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-thoughts-on-what-happened-here-ammo-instant-shine-p86-huh/16775/1 "2008-08-02T22:01:12Z")
I’ve been getting some hits with some of the other AD products like A314 (which I’m planning to post about at a later time) and have tested Ammo (1 and 2 sprays) with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) (also 1 and 2 sprays) with minor hits such as people being a bit more chatty overall (but then, I’ve been more chatty) but nothing to indicate that the pheromones were doing anything too drastic. So, yesterday, I decided to get my hair cut and I’d dcided I’d try some pheros out on the lady (48 yr. old caucasian) who cuts my hair (as a reminder, I’m 49, also caucasian.) I apply Ammo (1 spray) and 2 sprays IS to the back of my neck. I also have 20mgc P86 in EO, which I spray on twice. The EO that was used smells like oil of cloves, and every time I’ve used it I think I smell like a Thanksgiving ham for quite a while. To attempt to fight against this effect I made one of the sprays to my lower chest/abdomen. I didn’t apply any cover cologne. I waited an hour to go to the stylist. Normally, this lady is all smiles and very friendly. I sign in as she finishes up with her current customer. She walks away from where I’m sitting and over to her chair and without looking at me says very stone-faced, “Are you ready?” She looks slightly distrurbed. _ **Yikes!** _ I smile to attempt to soften her demeanor and ask how she is (though I can see the answer already!) She squeezes out a “fine” and gets right to business. “How do you want it cut?” She says this as if I’m bothering her and she’s got some place else to be. I explain what I want and she gets going in workman-like fashion. The only time she seemed to lighten up was when I talked about my work, but after that she was back to being stone-faced. It was an odd experience, especially compared to the other times I’ve seen her. Maybe she was just having a lousy day, but I wondered what part the pheros might have had. I can’t imagine Ammo or IS as causing this reaction, but I am heavily wondering the effect of P86 in the mix. Any thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2008, 10:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-thoughts-on-what-happened-here-ammo-instant-shine-p86-huh/16775/2 "2008-08-02T22:58:24Z")
Whew thats alot of P86 there, I cant explain this one as well as our famous Tacitus here… > [@the inscrutability of p86](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-inscrutability-of-p86/630): > > it does throw off an initial head buzz, lacks a pronounced follow through, a generally pleasant feeling of contentment, low key anxiolytic… a “chill mone” probably… not terribly emotic… drifts toward the -dienol family of integrative/calmative… could be cuddly in the right circumstances… I do notice a subtle tactile fascination with the ordinary things around me… I want to touch stuff… maybe puppies and kittens produce this so you’ll stroke them ? No passions or drives… yin energy… receptive… so… From what I have experienced of P86 its very mellow, draws you into yourself, makes you quiet. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-thoughts-on-what-happened-here-ammo-instant-shine-p86-huh/16775/3 "2008-08-03T01:00:01Z")
I am not sure about P86 having never triet it myself. Even though she was 49, couldn’t the small amount of fast-diffusing AndrostEnone in the 1 spray of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) have still annoyed her? ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 3:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-thoughts-on-what-happened-here-ammo-instant-shine-p86-huh/16775/4 "2008-08-03T03:06:51Z")
Tisha, thanks for the link to Tacitus’s thread. She may have been introspective, but her body language _didn’t appear_ to convey that to me. Here was my reasoning regarding P86. I went with the high amounts of P86 because I’d read several posts where people were using 100mcg at a time, which seemed radical to me. To balance that much of a dose, I chose to add the EO (as opposed to alcohol), as the diffusion would be much slower. Socrates, what you’re suggesting is possible, though I haven’t noticed that type of effect previously wearing 1 or 2 sprays of Ammo. Then again, you may be correct in that it may be a reaction that _she_ may have to that level of [AndrostEnone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/). Because of the oil of cloves smell of the p86, I’m also wondering if she was the victim of a freak Honeybaked Ham incident once upon a time.