That’s does not mean that Androtics would send out just alcohol though. By placebo I do believe they might be sending out an actual product. Just to make sure I am clear here 
Again just to be clear I don’t believe anyone released any information. There were simply vague statements released by several parties, some working for Androtics, some not, but they were all deleted.
I’m sure there is a logical explanation as to why those posts were deleted. I know I have gotten several PM’s now about the secret ingredient and I have no idea what it is, its a secret 
:p. I also understand the “Serious” concerns many members have expressed via PM and or calls about trying Androtics products with ingredients from other companies from an unknown source. I just don’t have an answer as of yet, but I think it would only be fair to stick around and hear what the company has to say rather than leaving. Several of you have already told me you were leaving because of this, but I think it would be fair to listen to what Androtics has to say. Perhaps they simply changed the formula and didn’t even use anything other than what they created.
Please, everyone just calm down and lets wait till we hear the official report. Since I don’t know and have been left completely out of all communication loops I just don’t have an answer other than please be patient.
…This is interesting to say the least…
Damn. I missed it again? I have been refreshing the page and it showed out of stock all day for me. In two weeks I have an awesome party to take this to. I have others to try, so no worries there, it is just a legendary yearly invite only bash that would be loaded with women.
As to the placebo, maybe I am different, but I wouldn’t mind if 3 of the 4 were distinctly different that PS. Good and accurate feedback is in everyone’s best interest. I don’t think I’d even mind if the 3 were alcohol only. I’d consider the cost of the set as the cost to test overall. But that’s just me.
I can’t believe I missed it. Frustrating. I even used the “notify me” too. Oh well.
Let me make clear what I was trying to say about placebos.
In an MX pack, multiple MXs, it is possible that including a PA placebo would help “calibrate” the results to show the tester if the results were genuine or being affected by “placebo effect”. I did not say that Androtics does this… but in a situation where you have blind testing going on, it makes sense to do that once in a while. Now… do I think androtics would sell a PA placebo by itself? No. That would not be ethical. But isn’t the point of MXs to test potential mixes? And if a placebo is thrown in, it’s not going to be costing you anything… what, 50 cents for the bottle, the PA, the scent and shipping too? They’re not going to jack up the price on aan MX pack if they include a PA placebo, because there’s nothing to cover expense for…
So… I personally don’t see anything wrong with them having placebos occasionally, in multi-packs. In a blind testing environment, it makes sense to do… once in a while. And I can’t say I know if they do this or not, but I can say that I would neither be surprised, nor upset, as long as they were not selling a placebo by itself as pheromones. And I have a hard time believing that would be the case.
I totally disagree unless in the description of the MX pack when you are ordering it it says one of these could be a placebo, that is just unethical. In your pack for example you have 4 to go - 5 ML, and now say one of those are placebos, that means you are really only getting 3 to go - 5 ml. You think you are paying for 15 ml when you should be getting 20 ml. That is in my book a ripoff, whether you paid full price or the reporters price.
Even if that is the case now it starts a slippery slope and start to question what other MX you have purchased has been a placebo or not and then more skeptics will start to think maybe the others are placebos and so on.
In the past never has Androtics said we got a placebo and if they have done that then I think it might be illegal. Truth is being a New yorker my skeptic side start to go up saying what is going on here, and how do I know when I really got pheros and when did I did not…This is why ethics is extremely important especially in business and a business like this when the economy is doing horribly right now.
If you look at the description of any MX pack in the stores right now it tells you exactly how many you are getting and what price you are paying, and the scent of them, and we are all assuming there are some form of phero’s in there(it might be 1 phero, 2 phero, 3 phero or a combination we have no idea but that is what we are testing or the mcg combination or the scent in that combination) If not why would we purchase and test them?
Now if Androtics wants us to test packs with placebos in them fine but then should give it to us for free.
Remember when pharmaceuticals have drug trials they have placebos and the real drugs, and people know there could be using placebos but they do not tell who gets the placebos or not. That is a real test, the thing is, these people who are doing the trials are not paying out of their own pocket to test it.
Androtics has always been a company that has pride itselfs on integrity and ethics, and I always thought that was the case, but if they go down this line then I was wrong about them.
Ok sorry if I’m a little late to the party, but what exactly makes panty scorcher so special? I mean, People are talking about these MX’s like its some kind of deep conspiracy. Is PS suuuuuper suuuper awesome? what makes it sooo special? and Im SRS here, Im curious…
I think you’re making a mountain out of a molehill, Denec.
I repeat… I did not say this is happening. I am not privy to that information… but what I do know is that if you are buying an MX pack, which is being sold to you for testing purposes, and you know it’s for testing purposes, and the pack is being sold to you below what the actual cost to make it available is… then having a placebo here and there for calibration is hardly unethical; not only is it helping the whole point of the MX pack (blind testing) produce more accurate results, but it’s not increasing the cost. So where do you get unethical? If you don’t want to BLIND TEST, then don’t buy MXs - whether there are placebos being used or not. But it would make sense for them to include placebos in a valid BLIND TEST. That makes the results more accurate… if people are going on hearsay and getting the placebo effect when the actual thing is not working, because they expect it to do XYZ, then having a placebo present will reveal that fact.
So… again… whether they use placebos or not, I don’t know. I do know that MX is for blind testing, and if they expect scientifically valid results… if they want to know what the pheromones that you get actually do… they should be using placebos at least occasionally. That is how blind testing works.
Behold the power of PS!!
Just discussing it can cause panties to become uncomfortably bunched!
the original thread is gone, but yes, PS is serious business.
what makes it special? lots and lots and lots of hard work.
it’s not a conspiracy, but the ingredients are kept under wraps for good reason.
What makes PS special is that it so far has produced some surprisingly positive results in testing concerning causing sexual arousal in females. It’s designed to do a lot more than just cause sexual arousal in women, but it seems to be VERY effective for that.
In fact today I did a little experiment. I wore 2 drops of A314 and 2 sprays of PS-R0x and went on a date with my ex. The last two times we have gone on dates, I wore 2 and 3 sprays of PS-R0x respectively. Result: extreme sexual arousal on both of our parts. This time, I added A314, and the effect was seriously dampened (as I expected). Instead of being hot and bothered and unable to think about anything but… she was acting as if I wasn’t wearing pheromones.
The first two times, she was super aroused and distracted and unable to contain herself… and when I added in A314 it drastically changed the effects. There was still arousal… she likes A314, too… but the two mixes pull in opposite directions. One is steady, commanding and serious (A314) and one is high, light and “sweet” sexually (PS-R0x). Dark and light… If I had not stopped her, she’d have been talking about working on getting a damned job all night.
PS is designed to be sexual, social, masculine, dis-inhibiting, status increasing, and more. And from what I have seen from my own use, and of testing, it works beautifully in the right circumstances.
That’s why it’s so interesting around here. This is what everyone wants… a sexual pheromone that doesn’t cause androstenone problems, while getting results.
Yeah, I guess the years of hard work, too. lol I’m thinking results… which, I guess, come from all that work.
Okay, if you guys want to wear panties, keep it to yourself. lol
so how long can we expect a FINAL version,one that is a consumer product after everything is said and done?
haha good one
I had in mind to run the MX pack for about 6 months. That should be enough testing. The specifics are yet to be hammered out, but soon will. 6 months of testing as an MX sounds reasonable to me… I know one of those four is going to market. It’s just a matter of gathering data and determining which one.
if one of those do make it to consumer line, what sort of price are we looking at, i know you were originally concerned about this
True, but there was just awesome info in that thread from so many different sources. Not to mention your thoughts on erone to enone ratios, cops thoughts, attraction mixes without -none, and other info that people could find very helpful.
Maybe thats just it. Maybe there was to much visable info in there. AD does have competiters. Just a thought
I saw the exchange between Amy and Tisha in that thread. Tisha’s question was to Amy about the “secret” ingredient Amy said she’d received from CL. Tisha asked Amy if that meant copulins were back because she knew they were a large part of CL’s Panty Scorcher mix and Androtics doesn’t have copulins. Amy responded to Tisha that “copulins are not “truly” back”. Tisha’s post asking that question was deleted as was Amy’s response to her and Tisha’s response to Amy. All three posts were deleted in that thread. I can’t help but wonder and question why posts about copulins are now continually being deleted.
Seems a good number of members here really misunderstood when they thought Panty Scorcher contained copulins. I think I’m beginning to understand. If CL didn’t supply cops as the “secret” ingredient then the “secret” ingredient isn’t cops, because everybody and his brother/sister/distant cousins in Slovakia know… Androtics doesn’t have cops!
Of course if CL said what it is, then it wouldn’t be a “secret”.
So, we’ve established… beyond a doubt… from everything we’ve read on the forum since we found out Instant Sexiness no longer contains cops…that no Androtics products except old stock of Instant jerk contains copulins… because Androtics no longer has access to copulins. If there are cops in Panty Scorcher and CL’s “secret” ingredient he sent AD/Amy isn’t cops…then how could cops possibly be in there?
And since when is it acceptable for a member to supply/provide/send ingredients of any kind for a product that Androtics sells or even “gives” out as a test mix…whether or not it’s of his own design? That’s a lot different than the members getting the list of molecules…or whatever…and mixing it up on their own. This bears questions not only of legality but of ethics and liability that need to be directly addressed by Mike and/or Jasmin as quickly as possible.
I’ve been reading since the beginning about Panty Scorcher. That thread was deleted. SteveO’s posts are being deleted. Amy and Tisha’s posts were deleted. Then this thread pops up with exactly the same unanswered questions. Threads and posts may be/are being deleted but the questions remain and they’re growing everyday.
Yes it is. Now Ive subscribed and am waiting for Mike and/or Jasmin to respond and “truly” clear this up.
Bella
awesome post bella.