Yup, sorry my mistake:o Thanks for correcting me buddy 
Hmm i didn’t know that. Ok so he is from England. Thanks Steve for explaining
Okay, I will see if I can explain this a little more. And to clarify, yes I am American. First of all, I think that stereotyping in general is very unfortunate, and I’m hesitant to participate in it, so please keep in mind that my views represent general trends that, of course, won’t hold true for each individual.
I think that what the guy in the linked article had to say about American women has alot to do with our own conflicted views. Our country seems obsessed with sex, sex is generally portrayed as “naughty” rather than natural, and despite all this progressiveness and liberalness, our country is still shockingly religious. In these regards, we seem unique among other developed nations. I guess I am comparing us to many European countries, where sex is viewed more as a natural thing, people are more comfortable with nudity, and for the most part people are not very religious.
Many American women consider themselves liberated (personally, professonally, sexually) but don’t fully embrace these things down to their innermost soul. I think this may be partly because the “sexual revolution” was not a gradual change in our culture, but rather a subcultural change that took place in the midst of a very conservative, religious culture. These forces clashed and were never fully resolved. Feminist philosphy also clashed with and never fully resolves with both of these, so now that’s a three-way trainwreck.
Here is a more specific example. In the US, you can see women dressed in public in revealing, sexy clothing, but almost always, their body language is saying exactly the opposite of what their clothes are saying. Even if they are actively “on the prowl” to meet guys. For example, I see alot of young women revealing generous amounts of cleavage, then dropping their ribcage downard and rolling their shoulders forward to “hide”. They reveal with their clothing, and hide themselves with their body language. This unfortunate posture/body language is not only almost ubiquitous, it has worked its way into our beauty standards – no one slouches worse than supermodels, and now young girls immitate this in order to be “beautiful”.
I am a dancer and dance teacher (not my main job, but an important part of who I am), and as such I analyze people’s posture and movement both in and out of the class; it is sort of an unconscious thing I do without realizing it. Recently I was in the women’s locker room in the recreation center of the university I work at, and the women’s diving team was getting ready for practice. So, there were a dozen or so young, fit, nubile young women in various states of undress (stay with me, guys). In the locker room, they carried themselves very upright and proudly, as one might expect of young athletes. However, later I saw them poolside with their male teammates (practice is coed) and coaches, and their body language was totally different. Their chests were dropped and slouchy, their shoulders rolled in, everything about the way they stood said “don’t look at me”.
In my dance classes (belly dance), I teach women of all ages and fitness levels; often the most difficult thing is not getting them to move their hips but to stand up proudly and walk with confidence, leading from the solar plexus, instead of the feet. They are so used to slumping and hiding themselves. This is more pronounced in general among white women and less in Latinas and black women.
So there it is, in my view.
The north beach part of SD (around La Jolla) has one of the highest concentrations of high tech, biotech in particular, companies in the world.
Perhaps women (as a group) are only acceptable if they are, to some degree, “owned”. A main trait of the more “beautiful” groups of women was submission.
This, along with various comments pertaining to this topic, speaks far more about men than women. Women hypocritical? If men were not hypocritical they might focus more on bettering themselves than constantly, insecurely criticizing the “weaker” sex.
Two quick thoughts:
#1 I’ve been tempted to start a thread listing books or resources (websites etc.) that I found of interest especiall in terms of social interactions. Including the evolution, both “physically” and “socially,” of the human animal. Maybe Jasmin can start posting her recommendations for all to see, for example.
#2 I have a friend who grew up in Chicago around the University of Chicago campus. It’s a whole different world. Even as a youngster she was treated with respect and as an intellectual equal. A few blockes in any direction away, and everything changed, usually for the worse. Chicago, like London, is more a collection of small neighborhoods/cities, each with it’s own “flavor,” cutlure, etc. And sometimes those differences are pretty big. No doubt many cities throughout the world are similar.
I think one error we make is in the concept of the United Stated of America as a “melting pot” where cultures blend and come out looking pretty much the same. Although we do seem to have some common grounds, America seems to be more a collection of cultures that, at least to a degree, have learned to get along with one another. Our greatest strength (and IMO the greatest strength of the human reace) is in our cooperative diversity.
Okay, enough. Time to take my Mensa hat off…
I’ve been thinking along the same lines. I recently went around looking for all the recommended books on the forum. Most of them seem to include a link from amazon, so if you search for amazon.com, most of the books should show up.
LOL, too late.