Purpose:
I wanted the attraction of Ammo with the comfort of A1. A1 fits well with my personality so I find it useful in other combos. With Ammo I can see how it could be powerful.
I’ve got a mix in mind that I want to make but need AD to get some more stuff in stock first. To that end I’m giving individual mcgs rather than Ammo combined mcgs as this will have a bearing on my future mix and I can compare the different amounts.
The Mix I’ve made and tried today:
25mcgs of A1 per spray
3.3 mcgs of -none per spray
3.3 mcgs of -rone per spray
3.3 mcgs of a-nol per spray
This has been created with a view of using 2 sprays (for diffusion) to reach the levels I want.
Day 1:
2 sprays, 1 each side of neck (best for diffusion at work)
so
50mcg of A1
6.6mcg of -none
6.6mcg of -rone
6.6mcg of a-nol
Self Effects: No self-effects. I was in a playful mood but that could just be because I got a good night sleep.
Effects on Others: walking to work two guys walking towards me from downwind stared me out. Not in an aggressive way, just staring. What made this odd was that both started from 6 feet away (approximately) and each sniffed as they went past. This was 10 mins after application. I know Ammo can smell strong but not that strong.
At work: 1 hour after application I arrived at the office. Between 1 hour from application and 3 hours from application I had no obvious signs from most ladies, one however showed a fairly blatant hit while another gave an even more blatant hit indication that continued all day with what I interpret as little attention-getting plays.
Most curious thing was a male in the office did the same “sniff” thing as the two guys had earlier. That was about 2.5 hours after application.
So this seems to be a nice combo. Tomorrow I’m not going to wear it at work but save it for an evening event.
Do I go to 3 sprays? (A1 doesn’t change in it’s effects after 60mcg for me so it’s more the -none, -rone, a-nol I’ll be increasing effects of.) Or throw some IS on top? Or some P83? or IS AND P83?
Wow, I was actually considering wearing Ammo and A1 tomorrow as well but anyway to answer your question, I’d go ahead and sneak in 3 sprays of Ammo but make sure you use 2 sprays of A1 as a back up.
Oh and Instant Shine wouldn’t hurt either along with 20mcgs of P83.
9.9mcg of -none
9.9mcg of -rone
9.9mcg of -anol
75mcg of A1
How much IS do you reckon? 2 sprays of 1x? Layer on top or spread the love to other app points?
I’m so low on P83 I might save using that for Friday.
I’ll update this post each day too as I test the mix. K-Train - feel free to post your Ammo + A1 findings in this thread too rather than start another one if you want. I found it interesting how it didn’t do much more for me than Ammo solo BUT the two hits came from stressed ladies…which makes me think that without the A1 I would have got no hits at all today.
So tomorrow is Ammo+A1+IS. How much IS? You let me know and I’ll try and let you know if it worked!
I’ve been experimenting quite a bit with my 25mcg per spray A1 and Ammo recently. I haven’t really reported much on it yet as I’m still trying to draw conclusions, but it seems for me that 1 spray of A1 is more effective than 2 sprays when paired with 2 sprays of Ammo. This baring in mind that 2 sprays of Instant Female Magic was my sweet spot with 2 sprays of Ammo.
A1 and Ammo is a very effective mix. K-Train is right - adding TAA and p83 make it even better.
Thanks for chipping in Wildflower - I’ve read your journal a few times so any advice is welcome
Can you explain what you mean by more effective? The A1 works better or it neuters the Ammo less? Or both?
Interesting that 2 sprays of Ammo + 2 IFM worked for you - my reckoning is that’s 20mcg of A1 with 5mcg each of the 3 Ammo ingredients, so a ratio of 4:1.
I’d have to put one “neat” Heavy Ammo spray on top of my mix to get the same ratios. I’ll give that a try too soon.
I find it makes the Ammo a little less prominent. Definitely less instant. I don’t feel there is a great difference in effects between 25mcgs of A1 and 50mcgs , so all in all by upping the dose I feel you lose a little to gain an even littler amount. I’m still experimenting with my A1 so my opinion may change.
I’ve also noticed that 25mcgs seems to deliver the same type of hits that 50mcgs does unless your wearing a social oriented mix (maybe 2 drops A314, CTTM2, and Instant Shine). A1 can overpower your mix unless you compensate with more androstenone. In other words, if you use 2 sprays Ammo with 50mcgs A1 Ammo will be over-buffered. So add in some TUTH to keep that sexual effect there.
This isn’t bad if you’re going for a comfort mix, but if you want some kind of sexual undertones it can be.
A1 is like TAC in that it adds a slow-burn effect on -none, but too much can make -none disappear. I’ll start testing this mix out more myself this week so I can get a better opinion.
Individual noses and sensitivity to particular scents vary considerably. My secretary goes nuts 15 minutes after I apply Ammo. By nuts I mean a one spray scent OD. The cologne component has her fanning nose and fleeing. She said the scent is almost painful it is so strong. Also, gay men tend to be uber sensitive to the scent and often sniff and make comments. Most people don’t notice or care…
So I’m now a few days in to testing various Ammo + A1 combos. I’ve added other bits and pieces as and when I’ve felt the need and this is what I’ve found so far (I’m by no means done yet):
Boring details of day to day experiences aside (some good experiences, some not so good): 3x Ammo, 37.5mcg of A1 and 4 x IS is AMAZING. With this everyone, male and female alike, seems to want to help me out. If I ask for something people just can’t seem to do enough. It’s not a dominant mix though, it’s an easy-going authority mix that just makes people like me with very little effort. It also has a very calming self-effect. I literally feel I can do anything with this combo on, and that the world will be there with me to help when I need it. I’m just to say that I’m easy going and get on with most people I meet, this just makes it quicker - it’s like all my mones experiences I think. They just fast-forward what would happen anyway. It’s like they project out my inner self like some big Bat-light so people see who I am quicker.
I’ve said before about Ammo getting me respect hits off men - this is the same, but with the IS and A1 added it’s from everyone I meet.
Attraction hits? One or two, from people I’ve had mone-less attraction hits from too, just a little more blatant.
I added 25mcg of P83 (I so badly need to get more when it’s in stock!) and that was a great addition too. That pulled everything together for an hour or so of good flirting conversation. Good times!
So that’s my favorite mix - 3x Ammo, 37.5mcg of A1, 60mcg of Shine and 25mcg of P83 (which is now on vapours!) I’m yet to encounter a work or social situation this hasn’t shone for me.
What do you think to adding some IH on top and dropping the P83? Too many nols?
I’ve got a nice order coming of supplies for mixing…can’t come soon enough.
