I just noticed A314 at love-scent comes in 15 ml bottle and is priced almost the same as A314 here at smartmones which comes in 10 ml bottle. Am I seeing things 
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MHarris, I am sure it upsets you to see that in the product description for A314 at l-s it says “In many ways, similar to Primal Instinct…”
Hmmm… typo? Different bottle/same amount? Curiouser and curiouser.
The bottle I bought from LS back in the day had 15ml in it.
I’m sure Harris would take offense to A314 being compared to PI. Goes to show how much the folks at LS lack knowledge of their own products offering. It really is compaing apples to oranges man.
Oh gosh, the LS description of A314 isn’t very accurate, is it?
“Shake some on and you’re good to go” …
That couldn’t be further from the truth! You boys out there know it’s not an “all-in-one” product.
We’ve even tried to kep newcomers away from A314 because its more of a primer “base coat” pheromone that you need to “steer” in certain directions, which is suited for people who know what they are doing.
Truth: Apples to Oranges!
Last year when we first offered A314 to LS, we had accurate copy written for the product and insisted that it was in the store listing. Here we are a year later, and we all can see how that turned out.
And yes, you can relieve your eyes - LS does carry a 15 mL version of A314.
As a result, I’ve seen many people use A314 improperly, or have misguided expectations regarding it. People don’t see the results they were hoping for and its been recieving quite a bit of flak lately.
I’m glad LS carried it though. I wouldn’t have found androtics had I never purchased from them.
Exactly!
You wouldnt believe the kind of calls I would get from people who would give me lip about “no sexual hits? Where are the sexual hits? This IS a PHEROMONE product, isn’t it?”
People actually call about that?
I used A314 improperly for over a year. I thought it was useless and keep it in storage until I can came to this site. I didn’t know you had to wait a few seconds for a drop to form. Instead I used dabs since I couldn’t get drops and they were not effective. Now I think A314 is amazing.
It’s soooooo sad that LS has the wrong write up for A314, if that’s true … I haven’t looked yet.
Let this be a lesson … never get so excited that you stop at one finding/source. I read the A314 posts at LS and knew exactly what the product was supposed to do; and I haven’t a clue about mones. In this life … you will find lots of errors … some will be typos, some will take lives, so will bring happiness, and some will bring pain. And the journey continues …
READ TO ACHIEVE
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A314 got a lot of really good feedback on LS when it initially came out about a year back. Nowadays its getting a lot of flak around there, and is more of a popular product to hate, than to like.
The power of suggestion plays a very big role when it comes to mones. Reading about products before using them is a great way to build an understanding of how to use a product, however it does, create a sort of bias towards the effects that you notice, and how you approach its use. People see only the effects they want to…they push for certain effects based on expectations established before ever trying the product. They’re disappointed in a product because it doesn’t live up to a certain expectation, despite the fact that there are other benefits and other methods of using a product.
Its an unavoidable phenomena really.. I catch myself in that mindset all the time.
I’ve noticed after a while that if a few people start reporting a particular effect, others follow and pick up the product; reporting similar effects. A couple months later the product re-surfaces with someone reporting a different effect, and low-and-behold, people now start reporting effects similar to that. People will see good results with a product because others are, and will turn around and see bad effects when others see that.
For this reason, misleading promotional material can be quite a dangerous thing IMO. Incidentally, the above mentioned phenomena is more of an issue on LS than it is here (not to go back to the whole LS bashing mood or anything). You do see it here too though.
I think A314 is a “can’t live without” mone mix, personally.
A314 does share similarities with Primal.
There’s the reality of Primal (which isn’t always so hot, in my opinion), then there’s how Primal is advertised.
The reality is that Primal is a heavily dosed product that usually produces visible results (even if they’re the “You scare me!” or “You smell bad!” type of responses)
When we were finishing A314, we were asked to make a product that could be used as a Primal alternative. While A314 rarely generates a frightened or malodous type response, it is indeed strongly dosed (similar to Primal), comes in a blue dropper bottle (like Primal) and does genuinely affect behavior.
It also provides an “alpha vibe”, although a completely different one than Primal. A314 is more like a ruler or a commander, and Primal more like a troop (which is why we call our actual Primal drop-in replacement, "Raw Power" – notice the emphasis on Raw)
Also, A314 matches some of Primal’s description better than Primal does itself.
From getprimal.com/benefits.html, for instance, you find this:
They’re obviously describing A314 when used with a copious amount of an alpha-nol product here (such as Instant Openness). They’re sure as heck NOT describing the effects of Primal itself!
Obviously, the person who wrote Primal’s ad never actually used the product.
Back to A314’s description. Probably the simplest way to describe A314’s effects in one line is this:
A314 garners you respect, and increases compliance.
Would most A314 users here agree with that?
Yes for me that would be the very simplest way of describing A314. It also makes you seem like a ‘reliable’, ‘solid’ and ‘substantial’ person with something to offer and something to say. That is what it adds to the ‘comfort’ mones in my opinion (like ANol, BNol, A1, etc.) - on their own the comfort mones can sometimes make you seem a bit ‘wishy-washy’, ‘unreliable’, and a ‘lightweight’ which A314 effectively counters.
Visionary
I am thinking in terms of the concept of “leadership” with a314. You seem to get “followers” (quite literally).
But I also get a “I feel I am not worthy to be in your presence” type vibe from some people, especially those who seem to have lower levels of self-esteem and confidence. In those cases I feel a314 may actually be doing more “harm” than “good.” It may actually make some people feel even “less worthy” and afraid to interact/act. It’s almost as it they are afraid of me.
I understand that it can be a bit “heavy” on it’s own (providing social distance), but it’s definitely not a -none type fear, correct?
I’ve never experienced any androstenone like apprehension with A314 myself.
I’ve found that you can easily add alpha nol (Instant Openness, Spaceland, etc.) and/or Instant Shine to “lighten” it up.
I get great “obedience factor” (dear Uncle) from everyone at work, including my bosses, at 1 drop A314. This doesn’t bode well for me, in long term, as my role is to provide IT support to them (everyone at work is my customer). My contract is renewed every December. Very fearful of “attitude-ricochet”… (Things are different if I am the customer)
With some bosses, they would talk briefly to me or avoid talking altogether. Sometimes, they seem displeased & uneasy, especially men. And they start to act busy & hollering orders everywhere, in my presence while isolating me. Best to use A314 with peers or subordinates only, if these conditions are indicated 
As such, I hardly use A314 at all, or at most 33% or 66% of a drop (diluted A314 : DPG @ 1:2) on most days. But I have successfully mitigated this type of response (A314 2 drops) with high doses of P74 (80mcg), TAC (80mcg), WAGG (4 drops), EST (4 drops), LT (2 sprays) & BNOL (3 drops). I only use this combo for meetings, once a month. The “safe & trust factor” is more important to me at the moment. My workplace is a “freddy’s nightmare” for pheromone use, with gays, hetero- men & women abound.
When my A314 bottle is finished, (it’ll take a long time though, I’ve had it for a year, used less than a quarter since), I’ll opt for a A314 with reduced -rone & minus -none, if this is possible by then.
MHarris:
Correct. The vibe I get from a314 is more of a “not worthy” vibe rather than the curl-up-in-defensive-ball reaction I get from heavier -none doses. It is more a “submissiveness” that an outright “fear/uneasiness.”
MHaris/itwow:
I usually only use 1 to 2 drops of a314, but I’m thinking I may stay with just one drop from now on, especially with the mutant batch. Unless I WANT to cause submissiveness. And yes, using a314 alone or as the heaviest ingredient in a combo causes more pronounced reactions, but when used as just a base along with other products the effects aren’t as great.
I’ve actully stopped using a314 at all of late in favor of experimenting with other products and combinations. Primarily IO IH IFM. And I want to play with some of the other Experimones and PMX101 if I can ever scrape up the $$$. Property tax bill due next month and it takes 20% of my yearly income…
At high doses (4+ drops) I am almost like the Emperor to those around me. I usually wear 2-3 drops. I notice it gets me a bit of distance/awe, but compliance is good. I never wear A314 if I know I am going to be around certain people who have low self esteem, because I know they’d hide from me. I also try to avoid wearing it with much of anything else, since for me, most anything else kills the effects.
It’s a darned good thing I didn’t have AA314 while I was dating my ex… she’d have left me almost immediately. She was already going towards “You’re too good for me” land.
I am having good results at work with the following well-balanced mix:
2 drops WAGG
3 sprays CTTM-M2 (half Alpha-Nol and half Beta-Nol)
A few sprays of extra -Rone
3 sprays double-strength IS/m
2 drops ‘mutant’ A314
Add 1 spray of IFM when on a date for that ‘special understanding/magnetism’ with women that IFM brings.
I like adding extra -Rone especially to Alpha-Nol as this adds a ‘fun’ and ‘friend’ type vibe, while Beta-Nol is great for deeper conversations with people.
I really think WAGG helps a ton to counter the decreased approachability effect of A314. I am thinking TAK, supposedly Androtics’ own ‘Clint Eastwood Effect destroyer’, may do something similar.
The A314 is the thing that gives you respect in this mix as combining the other products on their own would make me feel like a complete lightweight, a court jester lol. The A314 makes me seen as more reliable, trustworthy, and someone ‘substantial’ whose word means something. It makes others more compliant too.
Even with this great mix, I do think that a few ‘bossy’ women do not like A314 as it gives me a bit of a dominant vibe. See some people just want to be the boss and there is nothing you can do other than wearing ‘comfort’ mones to keep them friendly. Or you can simply wear a mix like mine and be forced to charm them enough verbally on every occassion for their guard to drop. However that is too much effort for me so I choose not to wear 2 drops A314 when I am going to be around them for a long period of time.
Visionary
From my observations, the efforts to mitigate A314’s alpha-vibe largely depends on the dosage & longevity of the soft mones (WAGG, ANOL etc). A314 effects lasts way longer than the soft mones & when the soft mone finishes, we’ll have an alpha-OD at our hands.
Consider each factor a pheromone brings to the equation :
A314 - promotes alpha-man & compliance
WAGG - promotes approachability
ANOL - promotes light-heartedness
BNOL - promotes trust & honesty
P74 - promotes camaraderie & cohesiveness
TAC - promotes warmth & hilarity
Other support-mones : EST, LT, TAF (maybe?)
Multiple combinations can be crafted to facilitate A314’s approach. Alone in high doses, A314 demands compliance as supreme leader, but a personalised-touch can be added.
Whether “jovial & hearty” or “I-feel-you but-still, we-must-do-this, trust-me” depends much on the audience & the wearer’s strength/uniqueness. And don’t replicate someone else’s approach that is available in your setting, unless you can prove much better. Also don’t mix TAA & TAC in the same combo.
Personally, I feel that any A314 combo must be presented along with a demonstration of competency to instill a strong sense of conviction & achievement in the audience. Expect praise & agreement to come along nicely when a competency delivery is performed.
Under most circumstances, I don’t anticipate A314 responses to be “vetoed” at all, it truly works but it’s a missing part of the greater equation. There is the silent backlash & attitude-ricochet that stews & grow, and it is real. People do have a sense of where they belong in the pecking order, that includes their perception of the A314 wearer (this has got nothing to do with congruency on our part). If I am the King with A314, I’d have isolated many others in the process as lesser beings (there could only be one King…). The next time people meet, the King is isolated & lonely. The problem worsens with each encounter…
We need a strong equivalent product to close the gap, to pull the people into a “I-accept-you, you-prove-worthy & I’m-comfortable-with-you, I-look-forward-with-you”. This is the greater, must-have companion product to A314 which we all need, if we want to wear high doses of A314 everyday.
i2w