Subconsciously our bodies know that pheromones are around and the pecking order is established partly by them. I was dog sitting and one of the dog kept rubbing himself in my dirty clothes that had pheros on it and I thought maybe he wants to smell like since dogs communicate by scent so I had sprayed some mx151 because I was meeting a girl that I was interested in and to test the thought I had earlier i rubber a pillow on my neck where I had sprayed and wouldn’t you know the dog went a rub himself all over the pillow. So I think the so called loser you speak of are trying to see if they can get some of that good luck rubbed off on them since to them you are the alpha male. But anyway its just a thought, and remember to cherish others and not call them losers because some of those people might end up being some of the most important in your life. You can’t lead people that are leading you so cherish the ones that respond and respect you.
ok i know this has turned into kind of a bashing thread. BUT i have to through my 2 cents in. I’M A LOSER or what you would call a loser. but i was one by choice. they were better friends and like ninja said they normally don’t try to 1 up each other. I also was a loser that was able to “chill out” with all the different social classes in school as well. FYI you wouldn’t be able to tell by looking at me that i was a “loser” and i weight lift and work out and could probably take on anyone on the football team in High school (2 years of Martial Arts). I dressed GQ in school so I didn’t look like a “loser” ether. so no “losers” don’t suck. they only suck because you haven’t the faintest idea what their capable of. So now that I’m done with the bashing. 
lmao.
like the others said. you might have to change the way you look/dress and you might have to change how you act as well.
ACT AS IF!!
go watch boiler room- great movie
Good point Trevrep!
I live my life “as if”.
For example we say its sun rise “as if” the sun is actually rising but really its the earths movement
We put in effort to meet girls be successful ect; “as if” we have free will.When really we have no real control of the outcome.
I know the great Gegogi believes in free will but i think we only act “as if” we have free will… .
Just my opinion
No one is bashing losers because there is no such thing as a loser therefore you cant be one. We are talking about how some young people preceive others when still in school but as you grow up you realize that there is more to people then meets the eye. All people have worth. Sure some are Alphas and some are Betas but one group could not exist without the other.
Tisha
Thought it was a reference to that 883 song besides the cornflakes…
Things change with time… it’s the same with my old schoolfriends. Most of them have lots of white hair now… some got married and are seperated. Some had health problems.
Some of the “cool” bullies ended up worst indeed.. though of them ended up a politician…
Bullies often Mr Popular at school, study finds - www.smh.com.au
Bullies often Mr Popular at school, study finds
January 12, 2004
Los Angeles: Contrary to popular opinion, school bullies do not suffer from low self-esteem and are often popular and considered “cool” by their classmates, a new study has found.
The study, which focused on nearly 2000 year 6 students, found that while about 7 per cent of 12-year-olds are bullies, more than 20 per cent of students are either bullies, victims or both.
“Bullies are psychologically strong,” said Jaana Juvonen, a psychology lecturer at the University of California, Los Angeles, and lead author of the study.
“Bullying Among Young Adolescents: The Strong, the Weak and the Troubled” was published in the December issue of the magazine Pediatrics.
Dr Juvonen’s research found that bullies were admired by their peers, and thus felt good about themselves. Bullies are popular because their dominance earns them respect among the general student population who tend not to sympathise with the victims, the study found.
“They don’t show any signs whatsoever of depression, loneliness or anxiety,” Dr Juvonen said. “They look even healthier than the socially adjusted kids who are not involved in the bullying.” Boys are twice as likely as girls to be bullies, and almost twice as likely to be victims of bullies. Boys are also three times as likely to be in both categories.
The study defines bullying as “starting fights and pushing other kids around”, “putting down and making fun of others” and “spreading nasty rumours about others”.
Most anti-bullying programs in schools were based on the belief that bullies picked on others because they had low self-esteem, Dr Juvonen said. Attention should focus on how to discourage support for bullying behaviour by other students, she said.
"Unless we do something about this peer support and encouragement, we’re probably not going to make much headway.
“We need to be addressing bullying not only at the level of individual, aggressive kids, but at the level of the whole social collective. How can we get the other kids to be less supportive of the bully and more supportive of the victim?”
Officials say it is difficult to gauge the level of bullying because many incidents go unreported.
Los Angeles Daily News
Yeah, cause we don’t need to prove how big our balls are 
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No. i never meant we were bashing “losers”. i meant imagine how the guy who started the thread feels from using the word loser and now from the comments about using the word “loser”.
thats all i meant.
i need to take note from tisha here so than my thoughts don’t take up half a page. maybe next time i can us fewer words to make the same point. because tisha said what i was trying to say in fewer words.
What do you mean you where a loser by choice? What part of life did you lose at? Looks like you are mislabeling yourself. The losers they are talking about are the ones with low social status, the ones that are not popular. Sounds to me like a case of low self esteem. Losers to me are the ones that lose it and shoot up schools and we can’t really hang around those guys. If you want to raise your social power find someone you like a girl or a friend and truly try to create a relationship with that person get deeper than the light hearted everyday chitchat, people will notice that you are a person that wants and can create bonds and that truly cares for people and not some trickster that goes around saying hi to everyone but inside does not really care. Cherish others most people are fun and very complex…
Visionary when i was 12 i hate to say it but i guess i was a bully.I got in a lot of fights with older kids which i won bringing more challenges from kids my own age and earning respect among my peers.
Mostly however i didn’t start fights i was challenged and came out victorious.I could be provocative though and tended to be the class clown pissing off the teachers no end.Its strange but i look back fondly at that time as almost golden.Girls liked me and i had my pick of the cutest ones.
I must say i regret picking on weaker kids and i still feel bad about that.I always thought it was because i grew up in a tough neighborhood and fighting was the only way to earn respect but my best friend who had as much or more respect never got in fights but was good at sport (more talented than me) and tended to be just a great guy i really admired him..
My dad was an Irish catholic and his dad was a well known union boss its a tradition on my fathers side to fight back.If my dad lost a fight he would have to go back and beat that kid up or his dad would smack him around.It was my dad who taught me to fight and use a gun i had very little choice.
Later on i would only get in fights to defend others.A lot of the nasty bullies i knew ended up coming to grief either getting stabbed or going to prison.I was reading the paper this morning and saw someone i know (a Sargent in arms for a biker gang) was going down for a very long time.
Sounds rough Flaming… At least you didn’t continue on that path when you reached adulthood I’m guessing … by the way which part of Oz are you in?
I guess in our younger days most of us did at least a few things we regretted… I used to fight a lot at school as well though I was definitely not much of a bully - maybe I was just a little aggressive.
I was quite popular in my late primary school/early high school days with girls I think as well because of this aggressive/macho image!
What I want to say is that despite what people would like, life isn’t all that fair IMHO:
- the bully (and I don’t just mean in a physical sense but more in a mental sense) doesn’t always have a hard life and low self-esteem, etc.;
- the kid that gets bullied often has subtle and not-so-subtle mental scars that last for a lifetime and are hard to overcome (like lower self confidence, anger, etc) although I guess it can make the person more resilient and determined too;
- the lower status person / bullied kid at school isn’t always a great friend either nor are they always a decent person in later life; I’ve found them more insecure generally and because of that for example I’ve seen negative ‘envy’ reactions to the pheromone-enhanced newer version of me (insecure people can really feel like they need to protect their own ‘social’ position).
I do agree with Tater (and others in this thread) in their philosophy though - the higher social status school crowd can often be jerks one-upping each other all the time who cannot really be trusted. It depends though, if there are cool ‘warm’ alphas dominating the social circle, I would much rather hang around them than some of the insecure people with lower status…
An idea I’ve always had is for the use of ‘friendly’ pheromones to be used as a kind of ‘shield’ for bullied kids… It might save a lot of heartache and a lifetime of issues at that crucial time of development…
-Visionary
Television ad. Buy VP Shield. Save your kids from bullies like me…or ill beat you up and takeyour lunch money, you wuss!
I disagree about some of the comments. At least at my school, i found that myself and a few other kids filled a social leadership role and set the tone at the school, even for the teachers and other adults. Our large social networks and unwillingness to accept certain types of behavior limited what people were able to get away with. The -beta- people added sheer numbers of support for us. It was almost like having gangs, but without as much violence. We refocused people on having insane amounts of fun and acting just a little bit crazy. Its amazing how much power people will give you over them for a little bit of friendship and a place in society. I think thats how Hitler got started…
Sounds like fun Tater!
Im in Melbourne Visionary and im talking about growing up in Coburg you no near the Pen.
No i didn’t continue down that path thank god! Mostly due to a BMX accident when i was 14. I broke several bones leaving me vulnerable for a year hobbling around on crutches.
I read a lot and thought of what a .ick id been.
Yes i believe its possible to be a cool warm alpha.Even back then there were guys like that but they were always prepared to fight it out if need be. .
Yeah interesting point about how the bullied kid isnt always a great friend and how they tend to envy “the pheromone enhanced version of me”
Iv noticed that !
Not sure if its got something to do with “the tall poppy syndrome” but iv had guys ‘who are supposed to be friends’ try to sabotage me in all kinds of ways.
What is this loser thingy? :o
I’m not a loser … no matter how many people call that!
Tis amazing how some people place themselves above others when they have equal value … in God’s eyes. Sure, one may have more money, a better education, or make better decisions, but … 
Flaming, my friend, always remember … everybody that hangs out with you, laugh at your jokes, tell you “you’re the man,” doesn’t mean they always have your best interest at heart. Just because you’re someone’s friend, doesn’t make them yours.
i know i know M&M it takes a lot to trust other guys as visionary said.They all want something id love good trustable friends.
i don’t believe in this loser concept in fact i hate any separative idea.