which in your experience out of these 2 produces the best for strangers to notice you and look at you in random places such as coffee shops?
Tuth depending how old u are go for 1-2 sprays 2 sprays with shine gets lots of hits from experience.
im 25 but look about 16
1 spray of tuth with some shine the age you look doesn’t make any difference
tuth on it’s own can be a bit overbearing in public places malls coffee shops ect shine buffers it and gives a confident sexual vibe.
As stand alone; I have to go with Ammo all the way I noticed the most hits using it. However in my own testing I found using ammo + tuth = cougars. So if you are looking to attract 30+ women then use that combo.
Really depends…Causal day wear, AMMO all the way, but night time prowl, well TUTH is a good “to kill” wear, yeah Shine and or IO to buffer it, or one Steve’s deadly potions of A314 and TUTH… yeah
TUTH causally intimidates girls wayyyyy too much! I lost a really special girl IN PART of this, she felt I was coming on too strong when she came on to me. Not cool ha
TUTH gets you noticed but often not in a good way. Save it for when you are very close to the bedroom, which is what it was designed for ,not general attraction.
Ammo is far more social/attractive and the one to use when out in company and sex is not on the immediate agenda.
Actually I find tuth gets hits from complete strangers if your lucky to catch one who looks kinda easy. When I wore tuth in daytime to a car dealership I had a woman with boyfriend (Gorgoeous italian woman with cleavage exposed) repeated my name in conversation like 10 times!!! maybe 15. turns out I got her number but we drifted different ways before anything got serious.
Some women LIKE men who act like men. Not all women like a cowardly Johnny Depp who initiates slowly with flirtation and romantic talk. Some like an antonio banderas or a brad pitt… the f*ckers so to speak.
Incidentally this women was about 30. I was wearing tuth and instant shine. I also had complete focus that day.
Find it works best on latinas and well built eurpoean women.
dsouza
This is probably the salient factor - By the time women hit their 30s, they are liable to be more responsive to a more overt sig - And the fact you moderated it with IS, which is very effective at rounding-off TUTH’s hard edge with a pleasant/approachable feel. Plus Latinas and southern EU women tend to be pretty comfortable with more overt none to begin with.
However, the OP is 26 and has not hinted at a preference for older women, and his question - “the best for strangers to notice you and look at you in random places such as coffee shops?” and previous posts mentioning shyness, lack of confidence and being unwilling/afraid to open or go into environments where overtly sexual sigs are effective, hints at someone who who may not benefit from a ballsy TUTH sig, where congruence is everything.
If I was to intend to get girls wild at a gym enviornment would you guys recommend the old mx297/is/ammo to soften them up then add in some tuth so you’d have mx297/is/ammo/tuth or is this OD should it be mx297/is/tuth?
Or would this send a confusing message out to the higher none women like latinas etc one day your a saucy charmer and the next your a f*cker? Would it work better to just wear IS/TUTH to the gym always so you state your presence and stick to it? This doesn’t send out confusing messages to women.
Sure people say keep tuth for the bedroom, but the gym is kinda like a bedroom already with sweaty hot bodies. 
What’d you think?
dsouza
A substantially social sig can work pretty well in the gym IME.
If only to make you stand out from the crowd.
A social signature at the gym might be ok if your a young 20 something in shape working out dude and need a little friendliness aura, but I’m a 42 year old out of shape dude, I need a more physical status mone to pull me in the ballpark with the other dudes at the gym.
Even with a higher none signature because of my age and body I would still come across as friendly. More flirtly than downright a screwer.
Maybe someone who likes to appreciate a woman’s body. After all women are there to work out and develop their bodies. Complimenting them on that would only make them feel their time in the gym is paying off.
dsouza
In that situation, I wouldn’t be trying to compete - More to establish a presence that was somewhat diifferent from the rest. Which would also help approaches - and IME although they are there to improve, a lot of women are a bit wary about being approached in a gym - maybe a reflecton of the higher none sig?
Something more social can lessen that somewhat. I’m not saying to wipe-out the none altogether, just steer it differently.
Mobocaster
Can you give me your exact idea of the ideal gym mix?
dsouza
I’d think you are on the right lines with MX297/IS and the smallest amount of TUTH you can get away with.
Beta Androstenol on its own has worked pretty well in a gym/sporting context for me before - which may point to Ammo being a viable component but I’m not entirely convinced that the rone in Ammo won’t detract from the 297. I don’t think it benefits from that at all, or again it may be because an older guy tends to produce more rone to begin with.
Last time I recall wearing 297/390, sometimes with betanol, (most often not) in a gym context, I had plenty of positive interaction with women (20s) wanting me to “help” them sort their routines etc - some of it got pretty flirty but I was with Sporty at the time so didn’t take it further. 2 sprays 297/390 was the most I’d use to avoid being seen as too friendly.
A314/IH/P74 is another that I reckon might go down well there too - It is much more approchable than A314 alone and sort of gives a “WOW” effect at your considerable abilities - which gives you a lot to capitalise on.
I’ll try it out Mobocaster! Right now I’m short on IS but I’ll add it into the mix when my bottle comes in. Still waiting for my AD order to arrive!
Just got back from the gym. Tried MX297 2 sprays, + Tuth 1 spray and found myself in the gym with 95% men. I figure hell lets see at least their reaction. Turns out none wanted to socialize, and most looked to me like pricks. Could very well be that I was tense from working out with the weights and in an antisocial mood myself. From what I noticed the jocks were in their own world.
I don’t think tuth is for me personally or my 3 year old bottle has gone bad. Smells like urine to me. Before it used to smell like a nice fragrance.
dsouza
They very often are!
It would be unlikely for the none to go off but it is possible that more volatile scent components might have degraded.
Yes, none on its own can smell a bit pissy but individual responses vary widely - some will find it stinks no matter what you cover it with, whilst others will smell nothing at all. Most will sit somewhere on a range in between.
Also increased sweating and a warmer body temprature from the exercise will speed-up degradation significantly.
After yesterdays experience at the gym I’ve decided to leave out mx297 from my mixes there. Too wimpy a signature. Might make you popular amongst passive males and young ladies but get you beat up by jocks
Last night my tried and true AMMO / IS came in. Gave it a whirl went I went out to a cafe and the moody cashier was all smiles and sweetness to me.
Seems like IS ammo works best. In my opinion I’ve got tuth, mx297, a314, p83, p102, IJ, and none compete with IS/AMMO.
IS AMMO plus high sex drive = lady killer. I think I just have to work on getting my test levels up. Being 42 damn well sucks.
dsouza
I like TUTH myself pretty darn well. However my Ammo is consistent for hits.
Ammo all day long.