Interesting that you saw something ‘positive’ from P85 as well Carrie. I do think that putative is underrated.
I also want to add to my first post that I tried P84 as well but did not see much from it. Tacitus did say that P85 feels like a stronger version of P84 (see below)…
P85... a nice decent buzz with no profundity - #3 by tacitus
Tacitus (September 13, 2007):
“Seems about right for both P84 and P85… P85 feels like a stronger version of P84… P84 was my “talk show host” pheromone… you have this confidence exuding, let’s discuss the matter, active listening, getting through-ness…”