Conjurator's journal

Glad I came in here and saw your report on CTTM oil, as I’m sat in the store trying to work out what sprays/oils to get in my next order in a couple of weeks time. I have a nice long list of sprays, lol, going to swap one or two out for oil. :slight_smile:

Like you, I get good results with 3 sprays of CTTM, but I’ve taken to mixing it with my IShine/IO mix and sometimes throw in either Ammo, TUTH, P83 or TAC (Molecule C) as well, depending on the situation.

Since experimenting with P96 (Which I feel I need more research/testing), I’m pleasantly surprised at the results thus far and am thinking of getting the oil version of P96.

P75, workplace, check. That’s actually another one I’ve not tried, but I’ve just read your well written, extensive report (Thanked too); and I feel the need to add this one to my order!

NH.

Warning: This post is not a mones report, this is more a cologne review. If you consider it off-topic, just please disregard it.

PRODUCTS:
AB Millionaire Oud Gourmand by Lomani X 3 sprays to neck and 1 spray to left wrist (10h30 AM)
IShine (Regular scent) (2X strength) X 1 spray (11h30 AM)

This is a new fragrance I bought recently. I wore it with a neroli-based product to assess the cover scent potential at the same time. Lomani AB Millionaire Oud Gourmand is listed as a lady’s perfume. However, I heard great things about it, namely about the tobacco notes it possesses. So I chose to go ahead and try it out. Listed as a lady’s perfume? So what… if the notes are great and if it smells unisex, it’s not a problem to me. It probably never will become my main signature, but it’s worth a try.

The Lomani AB Millionaire Oud Gourmand bottle is a nice looking object, not girly at all. It’s a glass bottle with a black imitation leather imprint and some gold-colored ornaments, including golden AB letters sticking out in an interesting font. The cap is also gold-colored and has a nice shape. The bottom part is made of clear glass. It looks like something that might be displayed on Professor Severus Snape’s desk at Hogwarths. It’s a very nice object, really!!! In a wizard’s universe, it would be manly as heck IMO. The words Oud Gourmand are written too, in another font, and that’s the only drawback. I don’t like that font at all. It takes a lot away from the initial wow factor. Some marketing people went wrong on that aspect.

After application, the immediate notes are grapefruit, oud and some faint spices, probably nutmeg. The smell is present but not overpowering. I wasn’t thrilled with that first impression.

After drydown, the overall smell becomes more discreet. In terms of intensity, that fragrance is not high on the list, that’s for sure. Probably that sillage becomes quite discreet too very fast. The grapefruit remains very present, but it’s not bad. Something like lavender is perceptible, but it’s faint. Some interesting notes are now showing the top of their heads, some woodsy notes. Of course the oud is in there, I also pick up sandalwood (unburned incense like) and another wood I failed to identify. All that is very discreet however. A smoky undertone is there, not tobacco however, not pipe, not cigarette, just smoke, like a campfire’s smoke. During the first 30 minutes, the scents remain pretty much the same.

I felt a bit let down at that point, because there were no tobacco notes in there up and that’s one of the main things I was longing for. The wood notes kinda save the day and make it something that can be worn by a man without any problem. The bitter grapefruit note might be a bit cumbersome, though. The lavender thing disappears quite fast, so it’s not an issue for a long time. After an hour, a light leather note comes up. It’s a nice addition, it doesn’t produce any late miracles, but it adds to the unisex potential.

After 4 hours, the grapefruit is not predominant anymore, though still present. The floral is gone as well. The oud and woods are still there, oud being the strongest of them all. The leather become a bit sugary. Then you finally get a faint tobacco pipe smoke, so it’s there after all, but it’s not there to share. If your nose is not against your wrist, you’ll never pick it up. It’s sad because the remaining combination is quite pleasant.The overall scent has become quite faint at this point too, I’m not even sure if any of it all is still strong enough to diffuse around. Sillage is hard to assess, I wore this at home alone with the kids, just in case, because it could have turned out being a real ladies’ perfume (lol).

Please note that I applied theIShinesixty minutes after the drydown of the fragrance so as not to get confused between both products for initial analysis. As far as a cover scent is concerned, I’m not sure about using this to covernerolibecause it’s just too discreet. With the new stealth products however, it might be sufficient, that is to be confirmed.

I will probably use this fragrance again to make myself a second opinion. But there are possibilities I’ll eventually just offer it to my girlfriend if she’d like to try it out on herself. If I use it, it will be a minor, occasional product for wintertime at home or around family. I don’t think I would wear that one to go out socially or for flirting purposes.

There is a product called AB Millionaire Spirit (without the “Oud Gourmand”), and it’s for men, I’ll probably try that one in the future to compare.

PRODUCTS:

DAY 1
P75 (10 mcg/spray) X 2 to sides of neck (7h00 AM)
TUTH (2.5 mcg / spray) X 1 to adam’s apple (7h00 AM)

DAY 2
P75 (10 mcg/spray) X 2 to sides of neck (7h00 AM)
TUTH (2.5 mcg / spray) X 2 to adam’s apple (7h00 AM)

DAY 3
P75 (10 mcg/spray) X 2 to sides of neck (7h00 AM)
TUTH (2.5 mcg / spray) X 2 to adam’s apple (7h00 AM)

Location:
DAY 1: Work and grocery store
DAY 2: Work (office and plant) and home
DAY 3: Work (office and plant) and home

Now that’s an interesting workplace combo to try out (lol), isn’t it?

So here is a short summary of the three days, followed by a global analysis.

DAY 1

The new girl in my department (call her CD), early 20s, fat, unattractive, long old-fashioned brown hair, has been there for a week and has been playing with my nerves ever since. She’s not very polite, just got out of school, she has an overblown ego and has nothing much else to offer. I had started acting blunt / cranky and talking to her with a maniacal grin by the end of last week hoping she’d get the message before I’d choose to bite. Today she was different. More quiet, there was less chest-thomping and she told me she’d like me to join her for her first field trip. I accepted because she said her going alone might be premature and for once, she was right. That event was scheduled at the end of the day.

I had a field trip of my own in the meantime in one of the plants. The place is huge and I asked the chief operator for help. These guys are usually quite burly and particularily unfriendly with professional-staff like me. The guy is in his late 50s. I approached him with chitchat then I introduced myself. I told him I needed someone to show me around the plant to find things I was looking for. He accepted. He showed me every dark corner I would have spent the day finding by myself. He even climbed a ladder for me and shoved his hands inside a liquid storage chest to find a mystery ball valve I could not find anywhere because it was trapped in a dried-down stash of residues. It was a nice attention, he was not forced to do so. He joked with me during the forty minutes he spent helping me.

I attended a health and safety meeting in the afternoon. One of the guys from another department made something stupid that might have been very dangerous. I voiced my deep concern and affirmed that this was not to be taken lightly, not from a coercitive point of view, but in a preventive approach. Everyone agreed. I dropped a few jokes on other topics and they were successful. I took the lead of the meeting by proposing a new safety equipment that we should all benefit from. I was assertive and natural. Nice self-effects.

The field trip with the new girl was cancelled (on the customer side), so it did not happen.

Coming back from work, I stopped by the grocery store. I gave quick killer looks to at least four ladies at the grocery store. I often get that from P75 but the TUTH seems to add sexual energy to the looks I give. I don’t think it’s creepy though. One seemed suprised. One had no expression but had a very hard time looking away. Another one gave me a total of three ‘‘second looks’’ afterwards.

DAY 2

In the morning, I had a meeting with an older female colleague DM, a guy from another division and MN, a young female from the same other division. I have talked about MN before in some posts. That one is quite attractive. I sat right next to her, the two others were facing us on the other side of the small table. Another meeting in which I was assertive and down-to-business, yet jolly and playful. Young MN made the arched-back-boobs-out-hands-behind-head reclining on her chair towards me while talking. She eventually shifted to one-foot-on-the-seat-with-one-knee-in-the-air and the other foot on the ground. The last posture was making-the-shape-of-a-4-with-legs and sitting on one of her feets. I think she was affected by the mix TBH.

I did another field trip at the same plant as yesterday. I dropped by to have a chat with the old operator again. I thanked him for making me an expert of the plant, but told him I have a few more questions regarding process operation. He kindly answered all my questions and was very helpful. He even agreed to perform some tests directly on the control board to better my understanding. As I was heading out of the plant, a blonde lady in her 40s was walking ahead of me in the hall. When we got out of the building, she stroke chitchat with me. She seemed overjoyed and she kept on talking and talking as we made our way to our cars. She was not attractive for me, but I guess there was some cloud effect because I didn’t exactly look glamorous after a few hours of scavenger hunt in a plant (lol).

After that, I had a one-on-one meeting with my older female colleague, DM, on another topic. All went nice. She was in a good mood.

In the evening, my kids were vying for my attention, I played board games with them.

DAY 3

The new girl, CD, acted much much more polite. The way she looked at me has changed for the best. Good, she got the message. She now thanks me every time I answer one of her questions.

I made yet another plant field trip. The operator from last time was off-duty so I approached the chief operator on duty. I gained his respect by telling him I had much help from the other guy, which, I guess, really is the burliest of them all. This one was also very helpful.

I bumped into a guy accidentally going through the plant. No hostile reaction, he laughed.

My boss put me in charge of training the new girl. So CD asked me to take her to a plant this friday and show her around. It was polite and humble. I accepted.

In the evening, my kids were seeking lots of attention and they were very affectionate.

ANALYSIS

I got no bad effects from this combo whatsoever. The TUTH seems to make older ladies, well, bubbly and giggly. Personally, I’m more into younger chicks, but I’ll take note, it might come in handy in some contexts. That operator at the plant was ultra helpful and happy to help. When discussing amongst machines, you have to get fairly close from someone to hear anything, so I guess my cloud was not that offputting. I clearly got no male animosity or aggression stemming from from either the P75 or the TUTH.

Self-effects for this combo include manly energy, it gives an added seductive edge to the P75. A very macho-like feeling, enhanced by the assertivity of the P75. You can get out of any and all situation by smirking your way out of it, it seems to strike some constructive fear in some hearts and gain general respect.

Even though there was some -none in there, the mix was not overly sexual as to induce ghosting or anything. Younger ladies seem to display a light submissive respect with some peacock effect. The TUTH at the two sprays level has more effect on older ladies.

Believe it or not, it’s a good workplace combo for me, however, I’d like to find something that will make the P75 sparkle around young ladies. I have other combos in mind. Stay tuned. The downside is that I’ll need to restock P75 soon (lol).

That was a very interesting testing with very surprising results!

When I first read what you combined and where you tested it, I didn’t have a good feeling about it. But then I thought: “well, he actually can wear a lot of P75 without getting in trouble so let’s see what he got!” :slight_smile:

Nice work. Nice report. Sure deserves a nomination. :wink:

Thanks for the kind words Brasileira :slight_smile:, feel free to nominate :slight_smile:.

Thought I had done it already …
Now it worked! :slight_smile:

Yes indeed nice work! I am still very perplexed on how you can wear those really high doses of P75. I actually have this on my list to order in stealth and want to experiment with using this one in low dose with my A314 as a driving setup and compare to my A314/TUTH driving setup.

I am on board and nominated as well and thank you for taking the time to write this thing up for us, very much appreciated!

I am in the process of finishing up testing IS/B&DHC oil and then I will test this out and I actually just caught this as I was reviewing Conj’s report on P75/TUTH setup.

I have TAC in 50MCG a spray and 6% Neroli, just tell me at what dose and I will try and use in a few different type of environment’s and am a little limited being in a small town, but will come up with something.

Oh, thanks for bringing that back Just. Seems like I never answered Jdub’s question, so not nice of me. In post #49 I tried around 100 mcg of TAC. I think that was my highest yet. I haven’t said my last word though (lol). I’ll try a mega-dose in a special context maybe this week.

PRODUCTS:
TAC (40 mcg/spray) X 4: 2 to sides of neck and 2 to wrists: 160 mcg total

Location: Car, Sub’s place

Disclaimer: If you are easily shocked by BDSM or such things, skip this read. Everything described here was fully consensual and not done in a harmful way.

I have tried a mega-dose of like 100 mcg TAC in the past, however, it was more in a social context, never in a sexual context. I have decided to retry a super dose to assess the effect on women’s orgasm at a crazy dose. This time: 160 mcg.

Let’s get this clear, I had no flirting or social game to do to get sex this time. The girl I was going to meet has been my submissive for many months. I talked about her in post #363 and referred to her as Roxie. I did not talk about her here since then, I’m doing now because it’s pertinent.

So I applied the products and hopped in my car. I had a Leonard Cohen CD on. The music sounded real sharp and crisp. I had a carefree feeling, feeling very seductive. The song was ‘‘First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin’’. I had a tranquil confident feeling. I felt a bit boozy. The latter aspect makes driving in the conditions not ideal.

The scent of that hard dose of mones goes beyond neroli, there were notes of bug spray type of smell at this level, probably due to the mone itself. So I arrived at destination, got out of the car, I could walk fine, but feeling I was still feeling boozy and euphoric, like in that Simon and Garfunkel’s song ‘‘Hello lamp post, what’cha knowing, I’ve come to watch your flowers growing’’. Had I crossed a random stranger lady in the doorway, I probably would have said something like ‘‘Hey legs, hi there!’’. Nice feeling, but I probably would have appeared if I had just smoked weed or maybe just plain weird.

So I unlocked my sub’s appartment door with my key. She heard me come in, she ran down the hall and buried her face in my neck, took a might whiff and said I smell very good. Nice, because I still felt I smell like bug spray (lol). I did some light hairpulling, bit her ears in a harmless way, she let out deep sighs and lights moans, she enjoys that. She was wearing only a shower towel and was still wet from her shower. She dyed her hair to redhead recently, I did not even have to request it, the result is quite realistic. Needless, to say, I’m ok with that. She got into the mood for sex quite fast, sex was spiced up with some BDSM action (whipping, spanking, light throat grabbing, she digs that quite much (that’s why I applied some product on wrists too).

I screwed her for 90 minutes straight. She enjoyed everything I did very much, but incredibly, no climax. She’s usually a very orgasmic person with me and I have no trouble getting her there several times per round.

I can’t help but wonder if an excessive dose of TAC actually had an adverse effect on female climax? Don’t get me wrong, I got plenty of ‘‘oh yes’ses’’, ‘‘oh gods’’ and things like that, just no hard climax from her. Hmmm. TAC made me very relaxed through it all though. I concluded after 90 mins but could have gone much longer w/o probs. Actually, she was the one begging for mercy.

So the megadose of TAC was not so convincing with a well known multi-orgasmic sexual test subject. I’ll try a much lower dose next time. I don’t feeel a need to go beyond a 160 mcg dose. To any fool who dares try it, I would advise to apply the product once arrived to destination, not before driving. For reference, euphory and groovy feeling lasted like 30 minutes into the test then vanished.

Manhattan: youtu.be/JTTC_fD598A?t=45s
Groovy (lol): youtube.com/watch?v=TBQxG0Z72qM

haha lol… there I was being tempted by taking TAC to 20mcg!!! I find 7.5mcg enough to increase sensuality… I have found before however TAC not to make girls who can’t come vaginally do so.. Never witnessed it making girls who can can’t though.. It does seem you have pushed it passed it most effective range… Thanks for the report!

Thank you Conj so much for testing this. I was actually going to test this today, but I think you have got this thing covered and as you know TAC is a big key to Jdub’s mix 1 and can not thank you enough for testing this!

I am actually now leaning towards testing P96 in a high dose as this is a component to a mix Jdub and I helped make which is Mix 2. I have P96 also in 50MCG a spray and am thinking of testing this from 50-200MCG just for the hell of it as you have already tested the Hedione in mega doses to! I don’t think I really want to test TUTH in high doses as I have a good idea it would not go well.

Dang Conj, I always love your epic tests!

Thanks for testing and quelling my curiosity on this one.
if you want me to test anything for you just let me know and I’ll test whatever.

Warning: This post is not a mones report, this is more a cologne review. If you consider it off-topic, just please disregard it.

PRODUCTS:
Cuir Ottoman by Parfum d’Empire X 3 sprays to sides of neck and 1 spray to left wrist (2h00 PM)
Shine Oil X 2 drops to jawlines (3h00 PM)
P96 (10 mcg/spray) X 1 to throat (3h00 PM)

I bought this new fragrance a while back. I wore it with a neroli-based product to assess the cover scent potential at the same time, I also added some stealth IShine Oil. Cuir Ottoman is listed as a unisex perfume. Cuir Ottoman is a french name and it means ‘‘Ottoman Leather.’’ Parfum d’Empire is also french and it means ‘‘Perfume of Empire’’. I must admit the notion of ‘‘Leather’’ and ‘‘Empire’’ persuaded me to try this one. I thought to myself it must smell grand to be worthy of that name but there was a genuine risk of marketing BS too (lol). I also thought that leather notes must add a clear manly dimension to any unisex fragrance.

The Cuir Ottoman bottle design is on the ok side. It’s a thin high-rise glass cylinder with a papyrus-plant-shaped golden cap. The label is blue. The font is small and too delicate for my taste. There is a Avon feel to it and I’m not sure it’s something I’d proudly display as a man. I think it’s a flaw when considering the name of the fragrance and the name of the brand.

After application, there is a definite bang. The opening is very organic to say the least. It smells like a bouquet of lightly scented flowers in a stable (you know, with horses…). I get some jasmine (not hedione, jasmine), some iris, screaming tonka beans, leather and hay. The first impression is quite strong. I wasn’t thrilled with that first impression and I seriously think a lady trying this out would go ‘‘Ewwww, must shower now’’, unisex or not. For a man, it’s less shocking, but still, too strong.

After drydown, things become more balanced. Let’s say you’re on your way back from the stable but you still have the smell kinda lingering on your person. Hay and leather. Still strong tonka beans. Now light vanilla tones and benzoin fumes are detectable. And no stable is complete without wood tones and they’re coming out just now (it smells like balsam). The leather scent is definitely a sweet (as in sugary) leather scent, not the kind of dry leather scent you get from a brand new box of shoes. The smell gains texture and it reminds me of a touch of satin. Maybe that’s where the unisex aspect kicks in. Even though the scents are more balanced, it’s not a weak fragrance by any means. I’m quite sure the sillage is important.

Vanilla, tonka, wood and leather are predominant, after, say, 2 hours. Jasmine still quite present. The hay smell is gone.

After 6 hours, the remaining contestants are tonka beans, benzoin, vanilla, very faint leather and a hint of the initial jasmine. Other notes are gone. By that time, the overall scent is faint. The smell is quite pleasing though, so it’s sad in a way.

Please note that I applied the P96 and the IShine oil sixty minutes after the drydown of the fragrance so as not to get confused between products for initial analysis. As far as a cover scent is concerned, I feel this fragrance has sufficient power to cover neroli effectively, for a few hours, let alone stealth products.

I will probably use this fragrance again because I enjoyed it. I vow never to spray this right before seeing someone because the opening is too strong, and potentially offensive, I’d wait maybe fifteen minutes just to be sure. I think it’s a nice product to wear in the spring, and is more suitable for nightime. I think this smell can be considered sexy and manly, yet gourmand, by ladies.

I have bought a few other products by Parfum d’Empire so stay tuned for other reviews.

It’s been eons since I last posted. I have been awfully busy with the job, I have to admit. I’ll come back with some reports soon. I hope you guys and gals are all doing well!

You know, I was beginning to wonder where you’d disappeared to! Nice to see you back; and I look forward to seeing your posts again! :cool:

Thanks :slight_smile:! I have some catching up to do on fellow users’ journals too. I’ll make sure to update myself with yours.

PRODUCTS:
A314 oil regular scent (Rev 32) X 3 drops to throat and sides of neck (7h00 AM)

Location: Work

I had to deliver a piece of techie equipment to a girl from another department. She’s a trainee and is quite young, probably 22 at most. I’ll call her JE. She’s very small, 5ft at the most, she has bright green eyes and purple hair. She’s not ‘‘beautiful’’, but she’s cute to say the least. She has a girly voice and she is very nice to talk to. I have seen here a few times. Each time, she kinda stares at me and smiles. She doesn’t talk much but she seems to enjoy my presence. In the past days, we exchanged a bit on business-edition of Skype and she drops me all kind of smileys in every phrases she types to me.

So I came in, and as usual, she gave me a large smile. I usually greet her from many feet, but this time, I had an excuse to move much closer. She made light chitchat, I asked her if she’d need some training on that piece of equipment, but she told me that her colleague had already planned a training session and that he’d show her how to use it (damn him!). She said that with a weird grimace though, I felt she was not thrilled about that either.

So, later in the day, I had a meeting in that same building with three other people and JE’s desk is right in front of the conference room. I dropped by to have more chat with her. More staring, more smiles, minimum words, but a lot of attention in a way. There was something magnetic going on there. She told me the gizmo I brought here had been installed and that she’d return at the end of the afternoon to pick up and download the data. I offered her to call me if she needed any help with that. She smiled again. I entered the conference room to have my meeting. The door to the conference room has a glass. I was sitting with my back at JE’s desk (not my choice, I was the last man in, lol). At one point, I turned around and she was looking at me. During the meeting a young female colleague, MN, gave me long side glances while she was talking to me. She’s one girl I’ve mentionned before and who is known to often display some peacock effect towards me. Not this time, her looks were emotionless but definitely mesmerized. On my way out, I winked at JE and said goodbye.

At the end of the day, just as I was walking out of my own office, I heard JE’s little girly voice behind me calling my name. She walked up to me and she handed me the equipment I had lended her. She told me it worked nice but that she had trouble downloading the data. She was worried that she had scrapped the data I had collected the day before. I told her not to worry about that because I had downloaded my data already. She let out a sigh of relief. How sweet of her. She was also worried she had damaged the thing in some way. I thanked her for her concern. I told her that I’d look at the equipment the next morning and that I’d come back to her. Frankly, I think I knew what her problem was, probably something to do with an uninstalled driver pack for the software. I prefered dropping by some other day, get her in my cloud and install the thing myself on her computer than sending a cold DIY link through an impersonal email.

I exited the building and proceeded to my car. I rolled out of the parking space and I saw JE walking back to her building (that’s a five minutes walk). This means she came all the way walking to get the equipement back to me in due time before the day ended just as she promised. I just like that girl. I offered her the lift back to her building, she accepted and hopped in. I said good evening and she flashed me another enigmatic smile and look. Next time she does that, I’ll try the James Bond killer look approach and punctuate chitchat with silences like she enjoys doing.

I had not worn A314 in a little while, but it’s a confirmed classic even with a young lady.

PRODUCTS:
IJ X 2 to sides of neck (8h00 AM)
TUTH X 1 to back of neck (8h00 AM)
Ammo (stealth) X 1 to throat (8h00 AM)
Hedione X 4 dabs to jawlines (8h00 AM)
Bvlgari black X 2 sprays as cover scent (8h00 AM)

Location: Work field trip

I went with female colleague MN (mid-20s, slim, cute, regular peacock-effect displays) on a field trip to meet customers. At first, we invested the empty conference room to review the project’s progress before meeting the customer representatives. I made sure to sit right next to her. It went smooth and nice, the more spectacular effect was that at some point she yawned and stretched her whole body upwards and she manually moved her shirt upwards to expose four inches of skin in her lower back. Half an inch of purple panties. It lasted four whole seconds. Then the shirt went back into place. No girl does that accidentally when alone with a male in a professional setting. Come on. Her body is so nice.

Later, while we were looking at our computers, I noticed she leaned towards me like the tower of Pisa a few times. She sure was picking something up. Of course, the setup was a bit ackward for anything more to happen, but still, I am convinced it was a not too bad of a mix there. At one point, she was walking ahead of me as we were going through the plant to find the first person we had to question, and she had a nice ass-wiggling walk. She’s petite and athletic, so it sure was a nice sight. Again, no girl does that by accident, especially in a plant!

We had to interview three guys of the plant about deadlines of actions they had to complete. With the first, it went well, he was pretty much relaxed, a technical guy in his late 50s. The second one was a man in his forties, it also went well and smooth.

So no bad effects on men observed on men to that point. Good effects on female colleague with a short but spectacular peacock effect. Sadly, MN had to leave at lunch time because she had a meeting in another city in the afternoon.

When I went out to get lunch at a restaurant, the waitress was a lady was in her early 50s. She was DIHL but smily. A young lady in her 20s was having lunch with her mother, eight feet away, she would not stop staring at me. Sadly, I was not into a position to make the most of it where I was sitting. Anways, it was akward due to the mom, lol. After that, I returned to the plant.

The third guy I interviewed was quite rugged and hostile at first, but I somehow tuned myself to that mood and eventually, he started smiling and lighting up, so things improved from there. There were some questions he could not answer, so he went to get two other guys who were of much help.

Nice results for an unlikely work mix. Need I mention I chose that mix because of the presence of MN?

As always one hell of a mix and good report! I do not know how the hell you can pull of so much Enone or P75, but sounds like women really want to show off the goods with this one. I am an ass man myself, so the high Enone sounds like it got straight to the point where I would want to be.