I just purchased IS x2 and TUTH (the 5mcg spray). I was at a party the other day and put on 7 sprays of IS and 3 of TUTH and found that it did not work at all or that i didnt get better reactions than usual. IN fact when i started up conversations with some girls they seemed nervous to talk to me, which usually doesnt happen. I am new so perhaps i did something wrong. Any help is much appreciated.
Im new too…but from what I read I think you overdid it! TUTH x3 is kind of heavy I guess!
I think it’s an overdose bro - I’ve got zero experience, but 7 sprays of anything, even regular cologne, would be a bit much.
Consider a lower dose first up and then raise things a notch.
You will learn in time, start off with small doses of each phero on its own, for example only shine or heat… Be observant…
What you will come to learn is that you need to buffer products like Turn up the Heat (almost pure none) with something, Instant Female Magic is good because it lasts long, alpha/betanol in Instant Openness/Honesty is even better, but its volatile and doesnt last as long… Also, you need to be careful with the dose and find your sweet spot, 7 sprays may simply be too much…
Not enough buffering pheros and too much -none is likely what happened, causing an OD. I beleive you are scaring (and turning off) the females. The way they respond to none is like this, low doses (1 spray) arouse their interest in you, medium doses (2-4 sprays) often can make them think about you sexually, high doses (5+) tend to not work on alot of girls, and work best only on a minority usually during their ovulation period. Your best success is a small/medium dose if anything…
Also remember, that higher doses work best when you know the girl and you are both comfortable with each other and want to take things to a higher level. You are best off using shine and other pheromones that dont contain -none (or use minimal amounts) until you have established rapport with this lady.
Shine is usually safe, and its very hard to OD on, so you can use as much or as little as you want… I usually use it to compliment what im wearing, and draw attention to me while making people feel good around me… The only thing with shine is the scent in large numbers (10+) of sprays can be excessive…
It sounds like a -none overdose. You don’t mention your age or the age of the ladies.
From the Turn Up The Heat product page
Note you’re using 2x so the recommended max goes down from 5 to 2.5. And that’s for old guys with decreased natural -none production.
There’s a reason the 1x strength is the recommended one on the product page.
You may also want to read:
Yepp, quite definitely a -none overdose. At the age of 22 you already produce quite a lot of -none by yourself, so by applying 15 mcg -none you seem to most people as a very aggressive male - which of course drives the women away rather then closing them in. So there’s three suggestions here:
- At your age use the regular strength sprays, especially of -none products!
- Buffer -none products like TUTH with others that lower the aggression factor - good choices would be Instant Female Magic, Instant Openness and Instant Honesty (basically -nol products work well).
- Lower the dose dramatically - at your age it would be good to start with 1 (!) spray of regular strength and build it up from there. I’m 30 and with your amount of -none on me I would get exactly the same results as you…
Instant Shine wouldn’t be such a great problem in higher doses - but 7 sprays of the double strength (= 14 (!!) sprays of regular strength) is by far more than is necessary. Try 2 for example.
I’d suggest reading through the forum and taking about what other people on here use and especially in what amount. You seem to think ‘the more the better’, but with mones often the exact opposite is true!
My best wishes for your further experiments,
bb
used them again but this time a lower amount. Seemed like people had trouble smelling it from a distance, unless they were real close (I could barely smell it myself). NOt really working for me. Probably going to return them and try something else
What exactly happened when you wore the lower dose? Were there any out-of-the-ordinary behaviors?
In gerneral, you don’t need or necessarily want people to consciously smell the pheromones themselves. They seem to have a direct link to the limbic system that largely bypasses conscious awareness.
How do you know when people were or were not smelling something?
How old are you, and what race?
What dosages of each product were you using on your second try?
Did you have a chance to read the post I linked to?
-none is a bit tricky to use but it is one of the most popular and effective pheromones out there.
Just didnt notice anything more than usual, as if i didnt even have anything on at all. I put on 5sprays of IS and 1.5 sprays of Turn Up The Heat. im not sure it has anything to do with my race or age but im 22 and caucasian. Im just a little frustrated cause i read many great things about it working but it doents seem to be working for me at all. Any advice from anyone?
Pheromone use is something that requires a great deal of trial and error type experimentation to really be successful with them. There are too many individual variables that affect whether or not pheromones will work, and at what doses they’ll work at. Some of these variables are related to the innate characteristics of the user…age, race, physical appearance, personality all have a significant impact on how pheromones are perceived. Others are based on outside factors such as the nature of your ‘targets’, the social environment the pheromones are worn in, etc etc etc.
The perception of pheromones is also highly dependent on how you act and carry yourself. TUTH creates a highly aggressive, tense vibe which creates sexual tension, but also can create intimidation. Androstenone (in tuth) is a highly masculine type product, and at one point coming off as ‘too masculine’ can be detrimental to you…at this point you’ve hit an OD range. Knowing this, if you want people to be receptive to the positive, sexual side of TUTH, you’re going to have to compensate for the ‘intimidation’ factor by being more welcoming and non-threatening. This is why androstenone (in TUTH) pairs well with socially oriented pheromones like alpha androstenol (instant openness), however, you can mediate the intimidation effects simply by making adjustments to your behavior.
The best advice I can give you is to keep experimenting. Most anyone who has had the great success you’ve read about here has spent their time experimenting to find out what works for them, at what doses, in what social contexts. The knowledge you gain through experimenting (and researching here) is what better equips you to have a greater degree of success with pheromones. Stay positive and don’t get frustrated, as a negative mentality while wearing pheromones can easily make a mix go south, particularly when using something like high doses of TUTH.
As a 22 year-old caucasian, your natural -none output is probably on the high end already. If you want to supplement your natural -none start with 1/2 spray of Turn Up The Heat. Put it on by itself and observe the effects. On a subsequent usage you could use an additional 1/2 spray and note the results. You already know what an OD feels like (the discomfort the ladies were showing before). Now you have to find your sweet spot at some dosage below that. It could be if your natural -none production is very high that you’re going to notice more good effects with some of the more “social” pheromones instead of additional -none. Even in that case, if you don’t want to wear it around town, it might be handy with a potential partner for “turning up the heat.” That’s what it’s designed for, but it is intended for after a degree of comfort and rapport is already established.
For you I would ideally recommend starting at an even lower dosage with Turn Up The Heat, as the 2.5 mcg you will get from half a spray is still a lot. But lower dosages are hard to control with the 2x you bought. It’s hard to accurately deliver 1/4 spray. You could dilute it with an equal amount of ethanol or a compatable smelling aftershave, but then you might not be able to return it. However, that would give you the ability to start with a 1/2 spray dosage delivering half of what you’ll currently get, and also to ramp up in smaller increments with more control.
You may want to try shine out by itself also. Put on 1 spray and forget it. At the end of the day look back and ask yourself if there were any unusual behaviors. Next day do the same with 2 sprays. You can work up spray by spray. You are not as likely to have negative effects with large amounts of shine as you are with Turn Up The Heat, but a little bit of shine may get you the effects you desire.
More is not always better with these products.
I highly suggest reading the link I provided above if you haven’t already.
I always thought of -none as the most difficult pheromone there is, because there’s a rather thin line between no effect and overdose which you have to hit. Most of the other pheromone products are far easier to handle - with most of them there’s not the danger of OD-ing…
So maybe it would be wiser to start with other products that are easier to handle - Instant Honesty, Instant Openness, Instant Female Magic come to mind… And Ammo of course, which contains -none too, but it’s well buffered so the negative effects don’t come through as easy. But start with the normal strength!!
You got the shine x2 so only use 2 sprays of that. Use 3 to 4 sprays of Turn Up The Heat unless you got it in a higher dose. I know you said that you used 3 of Turn Up The Heat but with all that shine you had on people probably couldnt get past that.
Never use 7 sprays your just wasting the product and you got the reaction I would have expected with that much. No reaction. The normal distance that your pheromones will effect others is about 6 to 8 feet away. Sometimes a little more or less depending on the enviroment. You can take a bath in the product but that dosnt mean they will smell it better. Wearing more will not make people farther away react to it.
Also it would be helpful for us if when you tell us how much you used if you told us exactly where on your body you sprayed it.
Like if you going to be in a place where distance is a problem the hair is a good spot for one or two sprays because as you move your hair will move and it gets the pheromones moving.
Also remember just because a girl is turned on by TUTH dont mean she will show it every time. Works the same way with cops for girls . Humans have self control so you have to look for other cues. Pay attention to the quick glance. If a girl is interested she will sort of ignore you but keep glancing at you to see if your looking at them.
Tisha
Thanks to all for your helpful and thought out responses. I greatly appreciate it. I will try to lower the amount of sprays and try spraying in different areas (ex. in hair). If anyone has any other advice please by all means let me know. Also, just out of curiousity, what is the average shelf life of these products (after how long do they expire)?
Most pheromones are pretty stable molecules. The standard care for perfumes is not to expose them to extremes of heat or light. Keep them in your closet and they will probably last for many years.
Maybe not as long on the dashboard of your car in sweltering heat.
Best to give it time - don’t focus on looking for hits and just go out and be social. If you see signs of interest, whether you are wearing pheros or not, then get in the habit of opening/escalating. Work on your social awareness generally - you could start by doing a search for “IOI” and for “approach invitation” here. Most guys are oblivious to non-verbal communication…
As you already realized you totally OD’ed yourself at your first attempt. Low doses tend to deal better results. I have the 2.5mcg concentration and I only ever use 1 spray. As already stated TUTH can be really intimidating to women. At that high a dose, I’d say even creepy or threatening. In some scenarios it can work great as an attractant, in others not so good.
Shine would only buffer it so much and at a regular concentration that’s the equivalent to 14 sprays. Way too shiney. Less is more, subtle is better. Secondly pheromones do not bend free will, and they won’t accomplish the art of social human interaction for you. They enhance your actions, good or bad.
wow, damn that’s a lot of sprays. I’m 20 and i found myself OD’ing on very little. I had 2 sprays of ammo and 2 sprays of IS at 11 in the morning, and then at 5 i added one spray of tuth and another IS. I was done for the night… hahha. 7 sprays of IS? didn’t that drive you near insane or at least bouncing off the walls? I think I’m going to just use tuth and IS and no ammo to test, but at least I know where the limit is.
I used half a spray, in fact I put a bit on my finger and rubbed it in and had great results and alot , and I mean alot of eye contact 