Do social mones like the nols in IO and IH negate the more sexual mones in things like TUTH or even the authoritative mones in A314? Or do they just kind of blend together and give you a little bit of both?
I’m trying to find a nice balance of both. I want to give off a sexual vibe but also give off a vibe of someone girls can talk to and have a real connection with. I’m not looking for a steady LTR but I do want girls who I can be friends with and can relate to in and out of the bedroom.
NO!
They do not!
I wear A314 with IH and not only do I get massive respect from the A314 the IH give me such a connection you just can’t find it anywhere else: see my IH report.
So no. social mones mix with the sexual mones…giving you the best of both worlds.
Ive worn IG, IH, TUTH & IS and had a MASSIVE amount of both…women loved me and men respected me. I also got laid 
…so NO with the right mix you get the best fo both!
My experience has been yes but you gotta be going ape shit with the socials to pull it off. Like doing three sprays of IO along with 2 sprays of ammo which is already buffered could do it. IH is great and I like it better than IO but I’d wager that too high a dose could create so much of a trusting vibe that you wind up friend zoned.
Look at it this way, when AD decided to make Ammo they could have easily dosed it so that the Nols and/or Rone were in a significantly higher ratio to the None but they didn’t. They gave it equal parts alpha-nol, rone and none…and it’s considered enough of a standalone product that when you look on the store website it’s the only consumer line product that doesn’t have suggested mixes.
The only social I’ve used that I don’t think you can OD on is Shine, but something about that one makes it odd, it doesn’t seem to have it’s own identity. Shine just seems to smooth out and direct the signal of whatever other product you’re wearing. I think it just makes any other product better.
But IO and IH?, yeah I think they can kill a sexual or dominant vibe but like I said you have to use a pretty high amount to make that happen. A single spray or two to buffer won’t hurt anything much.
wow this thread looks like it’ll be interesting… hope it doesn’t spark a debate, it has the potential.
personally I’ve found that high IH (multiple x4 sprays) actually INCREASES sexual responses, and I don’t just mean more bonding. I guess its not a direct trigger and is more of a disinhibitor, but for me it has great results, although all mainly in what aren’t necesarily sexual venues. maybe i just get all the shy girls who are hiding that desire? who knows. but high IH plus any sexual mix definitely just brings out the effects of the sexual mones, making them more obvious and easier to see. not to mention that it helps get rid of the none OD problems. but honestly, i fuckin love to go ape shit with that shit! its the bomb! not to mention it works anywhere. although the high doses won’t get them to act so much, you’ll have a lot more telling you they want to. so same end results, just that they’ll be using their verbal language to tell you moreso than their body language like with IO.
IO, i dont find that it necessarily gets rid of the sexual vibes and effects of the sexual mones, but it puts them in a light that doesnt work as well for me when it comes to sexuals. high amounts of IO (again multiple x4 sprays) make things very silly, kinda drunken. it works wonders for the sexuals again, and makes their effects more obvious. as if the sexuals make you sexy, then the IO is like giving her a few drinks, thus making her more likely to act on your being sexy. like i said, high IO means they’ll have an easier time showing interest with body language. everything will also be ridiculously silly if you go ape shit with it (its essentially spaceland plus a small to decent amount of honesty --ingredient wise at high doses), so I can’t say that I would reccommend high IO for everywhere (like work), but its definitely great as well!
I like the effects of IH more personally simply because I love the deep, more romantic connection. I’m not that big a fan of one night stands. I could definately see how IO would be good for that though, and its not as if there is no connection help.
IS pretty much helps everything and smells probably the best (at least thats what people say here, I can’t tell the difference b/t any of the consumers 
). Its great just about everywhere as far as I can tell, but beware the crash!!! If you put any dose on, it will diffuse quickly and leave you with a small crash, depending on the dose size. So if you decide to use it for a longer event (a day at work for example) make sure you space it out. If you have simply some small 1-2hr. event though, go ahead and use a bunch in one dose, but be aware that you’ll probably have a bit of a dip in energy later. I use that to take a nap usually, although you can get kinda down emotionally too, so I like to try to get to sleep or get close before the crash comes.
so for a more direct answer to your question, alphazer0, I would say go with IH as it would probably have the effect of friends you can relate to in and out of bed better than IO. its the connection that it helps you make.
IO helps with the flirty and the light, IH helps with the heavy and personal, which is where you’ll really make friends and relate. At least thats my experience. but as always, the BEST advice you’ll ever hear on pherotalk is: TRY THEM. They work differently for everyone. Our advice can give you a starting point, but THATS IT. YOU have to TRY IT. Also, I would reccommend that you try it every way that comes to your mind over time and as you get a hold of things
a) because you will have a much better understanding of things
b) its always better to have the experience for yourself, and not just for the learning part hahaha 
c) fear may not always be rational, but trust me, fear of trying on mones differently for once is as stupid as any fear. I’m one of the worst, sadly but people honestly don’t remember bad things nearly as well as you’d think. Especially if you stop using the same mones, you’d be surprised how mones can affect how well people remember you or DONT remember you. And if you’re going to meet new people, obviously they won’t remember you for that one night, especially if it was a different, weird, off signature.
d) pherotalk could ALWAYS use another testimony and that person’s spin on how it works. Theories ought be formed from facts and in this case experiences, not the other way around. Remember that on here, trust me it can be easier to forget than you would think.
Cool. Thanks for the great responses guys. I was even wondering about how IS plays into this but it was answered before I even asked it…lol.
I asked this question because I’ve been noticing that when I wear more than 1 spray of IO I get a lot of friendliness but not much else…even if I have other stuff like A314 on. I love the effects of A314 but I also want the IO to make me more approachable as well as for the self effects (which I really love).
I think I’ll cut out the IO for now but amp up the IH and see how this goes. My new nighttime mix I’m planning to try is:
1 drop A314
3 sprays TUTH
1 drop A1
1 spray IS
3 sprays IH
I’ll test this and report back. But if there are any comments or advice about the mix, I’d love to hear them too.
its pretty late and I ramble so the suggestion is at the end if you don’t have time right now
sounds like it could be quite the promising mix! I don’t know what your none tolerance is, but it looks well buffered even if your tolerance is low.
because IO is more of a silly/chatty mone and a314 is more of a serious mone, they probably don’t do such a great job of playing to each other’s strengths for you, I know they don’t for me. Not that its a bad combo, just that I find that IH works better. A314 attracts women moreso towards them wanting a long term relationshiop with you, and with such an attraction that it leaves them dissatisfied with the idea of a one night stand or a shorter relationship. Some show great signs of attraction to it while others not so much, but I think its accounted for by this: while women don’t vary much on their attempts (particularly the strencth of the attempts) to get a one night stand with you, they vary greatly in their attempts to get a LTR.
and of course some women just like a guy with none and some a guy with rone and thats just the way it is! also, your age may play into it. and finally, even with age thought about, everyone’s signature varies as does their “perfect” mix.
I would use a fairly different mix myself, mainly in the amounts of rone and none, I would pretty much swith the doses of TUTH and A314, but our signatures are very likely different there, mainly due to the fact that I am VERY young.
Therefore my only suggestion is: why so easy on the shine??
I didn’t mean to scare anyone off with my beware the crash thing, sorry if I did. I don’t think its ever any worse than a caffeine crash personally. And I only run into problems there when its a MASSIVE amount all sprayed at once. The first example that comes to mind I think I was using 8 sprays. People love to go crazy with that if you read up on it, theres a reason why for sure. Nothing but good from it. TUTH on the other hand you MAAYYY run into a problem with, just be sure of your tolerance levels of it. If you’re not sure, you could use this mix to find out, but it would only be helpful if its extremely similar to another mix which you have used more than enough times to know the effects of.
No they definitely do not negate the more sexual mones they enhance them. Men tend to lean towards the sexual masculine type products thinking this is what will help them achieve there goals with women forgetting that women approach sex and attraction far differently then men do.
Men can have sex without feeling a connection or comfort level with a women. I am not saying they always do but they can.
Women on the other hand have to establish that connection and comfort feeling before having sex with you. Its part of the attraction for us. If we do not feel connected or comfortable with you then I dont care how masculine, sexy or arousing you are your not moving forward.
The social do that for you. They connect you, they make people comfortable. they make them feel good about you and themselves. The socials on there own while not masculine can still evoke a sexual response. After all you are men already and already masculine and sometimes the only obstacle in the way is that feeling of connection.
In attraction men are more sexually driven. Women are more socially driven. While its true your masculinity and ability to be the strongest offspring producer is instinctual in us like most other animals being human we look deeper at your ability to connect and comfort which also indicates what kind of a father you would be once you produce that offspring.
My opinion is that socials and connecting mones are crucial to attraction. Men should be using a much higher ratio of socials to masculines then they do.
Tisha
I agree with Tisha completely. A lot of times guys are worrying about appearing “soft” because of social mones. The truth of the matter is that socials work wonders, and you should be using them! Of course, a little bit of -none underneath it is nice too.
IH can work magic if you play your cards right!