Does refraining from masturbation increase natural pheromone production?

Very interesting topic. I’m just about to start a new exercise regime so this may help!

I never put any thought into how masturbation/frequency of sex affects your hormone production but if you think about it, it’s very viable. Plus, there seems to be some empirical evidence.

I wrote this in my introductory post today, I hadn’t seen this thread yet, but these are my experiences on the subject.

I went 20 days without any sexual activities whatsoever and from day 15 on I recieved A LOT of attention from females. Way more than I have ever gotten, and it was like an upwards curve, the longer I went on the more attention they gave me. When I ended the experiment after 20 days the attention almost ceased immediately.
Can this be pheromone production?
Logically a male would produce more sexually focused mones the longer he went without sex to get a females attention and reproduce, but I don’t know.

I was also very interested in this and ready Modern Savage’s full post at his blog. His hypothesis made perfect sense to me and was relevant to my lifestyle:

“If a man is motivated and pursues the act of becoming an alpha male, he will attract desirable females. This eventually leads to sexual intercourse with those desirable females and is rewarded with orgasms. This reward reinforces the alpha male behavior that was needed to attract a desirable female in the first place, prompting the male to continue the traits that helped him become alpha, thus perpetuating the cycle and continuing the supply of desirable mates.
If a man is lazy, unmotivated and relies on masturbation as his main form of sexual activity, he is unnaturally creating a false reward for traits that are undesirable in potential female mates. This false reward tricks the body into thinking that it is pursuing alpha male qualities when in reality it is pursuing beta male qualities. This cycle also perpetuates itself by continually being satisfied with the act of masturbation rather than the pursuit of desirable females.”

I’m on day 3 of no masturbation and here’s what I’ve been feeling so far:

  • Feeling more “pumped”, confident. It’s difficult to explain, but I definitely feel like I have a little something extra in my step. I started to feel this on day 2 and feel it even more on day 3. Could just be I’m having some good days, but that’s what I’m feeling.

  • I’m much more interested/excited to go out and meet women/hit on them. It’s an urge that definitely decreases when you masturbate regularly and I’ve noticed that it’s coming back very strongly when I stop masturbating.

  • I’m more interested in talking to people in general/expressing my opinions. I noticed this in a meeting today with one guy and one girl. I was much more vocal and confident in expressing my ideas and asking questions.

  • I’m more easily aroused. When I went from masturbating regularly (once/day) to not at all, I get much more aroused at the sight and thought of women. They’re on my mind more and I focus more on them - whether it’s in person, a picture on the computer, or a movie I’m watching. The idea of “pursuing” is on my mind.

This is an interesting time for me to test this theory out considering my first order of mones just arrived today. Will report on the combination of mones and no masturbation once I start experimenting.

Things I have noticed

-Increased Confidence
-Increased Energy
-More willingness to pursue
-More willingness to be productive.

In other words, enjoy in moderation, as not doing it frequently has alot of benefits.

Update:

Refraining from masturbation is hard.

I once went 5 minutes without masturbating and I didnt see any women come running..

I see what you did there.

Interesting theory. Who’s going to volunteer and admit they’re in THAT test group? :cool:

Cradle I’ll try it if you do because I’m already pretty aggressive if I OD I’m garanteed to get in a fight lol.

My dad is a pharmacist, he said Pheromones increases by more working out or more sweat

Testosterone levels are increased when you stop masturbating for either
7 days in a row or 3 weeks (and even more). Also, many men experience
more happiness and less depressive symtoms when they stop masturbate.

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Scientifically maybe, but not for me.. I feel more relaxed and happy the more I have sex or masturbate. Testosterone maybe decreased, but that SEX/masturbation sweat/smell actually has something in it that can increase sexual attraction… This is lame, but the show Manswers says to masturbate before you go out to attract women and also so you don’t blow it in the first 30 seconds…lmao

I disagree, because I seem to get more attention while being sexually active… I remember a time where I was having sex with three different women for a whole year and was getting hit on constantly… fortunately three is all I could handle so I turned down quite a few prospects.:stuck_out_tongue:

or a good old fashioned wet dream…You will orgasm in your sleep if you completely stop masturbating/having sex between ages 18-25.. maybe not often, but enough so your balls don’t explode

DUDE! Never equalize sex with masturbation, it is not the same! Not even the
way it affects you mentally and physiologically. For example, women get more
health benefits from vaginal penetration from penises rather than masturbation.

I also understand that you get more attention from women when you have
sex because this signals that you have gotten laid and thus that other
women found something interesting in you, it’s called “preselection/social
proof”. But if you would have masturbated 2-3 times each day, magic vanishes!

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Biologically they are the same although studies have found that semen quality (sperm count) is higher in intercourse. Testosterone levels stay the same with both masturbation and intercourse.

Endocrinological, biophysical, and biochemical parameters of semen collected via masturbation versus sexual intercourse – Sofikitis and Miyagawa 14 (5): 366 – Journal of Andrology

However abstinence from ejaculating has a effect on overall peak testosterone levels. You have a temporary drop in levels when you ejaculate. By the 7th day of abstinence your at peak again. There is no difference in the way that ejaculation occured though.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/ex81g84768642505/

Physiologically I agree sex is better then masturbation. They have found you produce more prolactin after intercourse then you do when masturbating but this dosent mean that masturbation was adverse. Prolactin still rises just not as high as in intercourse so benefits still occured.

ScienceDirect - Biological Psychology : The post-orgasmic prolactin increase following intercourse is greater than following masturbation and suggests greater satiety

As far as women getting health benefits from penal penetration verses masturbation I have never seen studies that indicate this and personally sounds like something men would say just to get laid.

All in all studies have found health benefits in both masturbation and intercourse. I will admit sex with a partner is more fun and satisfying though.

This is a pheromonal response only occurring when you have copulins on. Masturbation has no effect or relevance in social proofing.

Anything that can raise your heart rate (sex and masturbation) burns calories which could be a health benefit… I wish that whole ejaculation quantity of semen thing wasn’t true… I heard that male semen or maybe even vaginal juices are good for the skin!!! I know how I FEEL after sex and MASTURBATION. I do like sex more for OBVIOUS reasons and was not comparing the two for how they feel, but what I feel afterwords happy and relaxed.

This is my OOOooOOOOooOOO face :open_mouth: and me after that :smiley:

When I was 21 I did masturbate 2-3 times a day…one night was at a kegger filling my glass and a girl just started making out with me and to this day I don’t know her name or why. We didn’t talk. I just grabbed her hand and walked her all the way back to campus and we had sex and she left. Masturbating a lot had no effects imo either good or bad…I’m just that damn sexy…LMAO… This is a good thread brought back some good memories.

Vaginal fluids are more acidic so they are not good for your skin really. Semen on the other has is alkalis so that it can protect the sperm in the acidic environment of the vagina. Semen contains proteins, which tightens the skin and a lot of lipids and amino acids which help in skin repair so it could be good for the skin. Nasty but good for skin.

According to Cameron Diaz it makes a good hair gel to LOL

Then your less likely to develop prostate cancer. :wink:

Masturbating may protect against prostate cancer - 16 July 2003 - New Scientist

I sense you are under control of the Confirmation Bias; the tendency to
look for what confirms what we want to be true rather than to be open to
look at both sides of the coin. But, that’s okay, we’re all victims to that
and I am no exception and you might believe I am biased towards wanting
to find studies that suggest that women get more benefits from vaginal
orgasm rather than masturbation orgasms, and you’re biased to the opposite.

But that’s totally fine with me, we’re all just human beings, so it’s cool.:wink:

Okay, you say that there is no greater health benefits in vaginal sex
compared to masturbation? Well, look at this very recent study (1):

“Results. A wide range of better psychological and physiological health
indices are associated specifically with penile–vaginal intercourse. Other
sexual activities have weaker, no, or (in the cases of masturbation and
anal intercourse) inverse associations with health indices. Condom use
appears to impair some benefits of penile–vaginal intercourse. Only a
few of the research designs allow for causal inferences.”
(1, p.1336).

In this study (1) the author made a systematic review on the past and
recent research of health benefits through penile-vaginal intercourse and
he also compared it with masturbation (such as clitoral manipulation as
fancy as it sounds). It was also found in the review that penile-vaginal
intercourse was better than masturbation in both men and women…

But hey! Let’s get even more specific! Let’s look at others studies
regarding health benefits from vaginal penetration compared with
masturbation. For example, studies (2-5) show that more penile-vaginal
intercourses and which lead to orgasms compared to orgasms through
masturbation are associated with higher satisfaction in relationships
compared to if they got orgasms from masturbation alone (2). Vaginal
orgasms are associated with better psychological functioning such as
more sexual desire and higher satisfaction with life (3). Vaginal orgasms
are associated with lower blood pressure compared to masturbation
orgasms (4). Vaginal orgasms are associated with happier marriages (5)
which does not surprise me at all. Also from one of the studies’ abstracts:

“It has often been asserted that all sexual behaviours are equal.
However, empirical research demonstrates that different sexual
behaviours differ
in many physiological and psychological domains.
These differences are remarkably consistent in revealing an
association between specifically penile-vaginal intercourse
and
indices of better physiological and psychological function. Other sexual
behaviours (masturbation, partner masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, or
any other sex that excludes penile-vaginal intercourse) are either
unrelated or occasionally negatively related to indices of physiological and
psychological function. Recent research also indicates that vaginal orgasm
differs physiologically and psychologically from clitoral orgasm, and that
vaginal orgasm is related to better psychological health.” (5, p.393).

Now, these are the studies, regarding vaginal orgasms being more (not
only) healthier than masturbation. But wait, there’s even more; you said
that testosterone levels are not increased if you stop masturbate. Well, I
have also read the one you wrote here, long time ago, and there’s news:

After three weeks of sexual abstinence and no masturbation, healthy men
in their mid 20’s, display higher testosterone levels (6). Finally, when it
comes to effects of not masturbating, let’s look at what normal people
have to say about that; many men (not all men) report that they’ve never
felt so much more alive, happy, confident after stopped masturbating (7).

You also misinterpret my talking about social proof, I was never talking
about “no masturbation leading to more social proof”. I was talking about
having sex with women, as a man, will shine through you when other
women observe you. And to end all this with a great comment from too:

“We must remember also that this article is written by a woman
aimed primarily at men. Women will always have a vested interest
in controlling mens behaviour, particularly sexual behaviour.”
(8).

I’ll leave you with that random comment for you to figure out why
I chose that comment in this particular thread and discussion!:wink:

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References

  1. Brody, S. (2010). The Relative Health Benefits of Different Sexual Activities. Journal of Sexual Medicine, 7, 1336–1361.

  2. Brody, S. & Miguel Costa, R. (2009). Satisfaction (Sexual, Life, Relationship, and Mental Health) Is Associated Directly with Penile–Vaginal Intercourse, but Inversely with Other Sexual Behavior Frequencies. Journal of Sex Medicine, 6, 1947–1954.

  3. Brody, S. (2007). Vaginal orgasm is associated with better psychological function. Sexual and Relationship Therapy, 22, 2, 173-191.

  4. Brody, S. (2006). Blood pressure reactivity to stress is better for people who recently had penile–vaginal intercourse than for people who had other or no sexual activity. Biological Psychology, 71, 214–222.

  5. Brody, S. (2006). Penile – vaginal intercourse is better: evidence trumps ideology. Sexual and Relationship Therapy, 21, 4, 393-403.

  6. Exton, M., S., et al., (2001). Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence. World Journal of Urology, 19, 377-382.

  7. Was the Cowardly Lion Just Masturbating Too Much? | Reuniting

  8. Comments on “Was the Cowardly Lion Just Masturbating Too Much?” | Psychology Today

LOL I am bias ??? I have looked at both sides of the coin and I posted it in my above post. I agreed the physiological and psychological effects were greater in intercourse then masturbation.

I indicated I have never seen a study that stated there were higher “health” benefits with one or the other. I didnt say they didnt exist though.

You have pointed out one study that mentions Blood pressure. Both masturbation and sexual intercourse increase the heart rate and have benefits on blood pressure. I agree intercourse probably gets the heart rate up there higher sort of like running verses walking. Both are good for you but running has more cardiovascular benefits.

No I didnt, I stated above that men’s testosterone levels returned back to peak levels when they abstained from ejaculation. The report indicated this occured no matter which way ejaculation was achieved.

Well you did indicate if you masturbate the “magic vanishes” I took that to mean that it negates social proofing but perhaps I did misunderstand your statement.

Hmm, you want us to figure it out ? OK… How does this comment make me see you… As a man who is threatened by women. A beta male. One who needs to make snide comments to make himself feel better.

Maybe you should read happy news more often :wink:

Tisha