Does refraining from masturbation increase natural pheromone production?

Pheromone Science Pheromone Theory & Molecules
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hey, didnt forget about you bro. ive been two weeks clean now :slight_smile:

im not gonna masturbate. only sex.

i definitely do feel different. iā€™m definitely horny but itā€™s a more focused horny (i now use this to game chicks and it helps me to concentrate on a given task) instead of ARRRRGGGG IM HORNY MUST MASTURBATE.

now, i just allow my horniness to wash over me and it gives me a hige boost in energy.

there was a hippy kid i used to know who abstained from sex. what he did was whenever he got hard or horny, he would close his eyes and literally sniff the horniness to his crown chakra in order for him to manifest via law of attraction. sounds crazy but sex energy is a primal energy that can be used for so many things. it has the power to create and heal if you focus it correctly.

practicing self-control is in itself a very good practice!!! if you can discipline yourself with this, you can discipline yourself with anything.

I found this on the net:

"Iā€™ve been an avid fan of masturbation for most of my post-pubescent life. Any guy that says he is not a fan is a big liar. One thing though that Iā€™ve noticed is that jerking off is an invitation to suffer from the many woes of approach anxiety.

How so, oh doclove you ask? Itā€™s really simple, if you have it in your mind that you can just go home and rub-one-out you teach yourself that approaching isnā€™t necessary. Itā€™s really that simple.

Donā€™t believe me, hereā€™s a test you can do all on your own. Stop whacking the willy for a good solid couple of weeks and see what happens. All of a sudden you will get braver and start approaching. Yeah its that simple. Want to improve your life as a PUA, stop jerking off."

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Ironically enough, guys, Australian Medical Studies have shown conclusively that ejaculation at least once per day, actually prevents prostrate cancer. So, if youā€™re not getting laid . . . :smiley:

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While I havenā€™t had a chance to look at every post here since thereā€™s 11 pages I thought Iā€™d add my two cents on the topic as male hormonal and sexual health is a major area of study for me.

Ejaculating (whether during sex or from masturbating) causes an immediate drop in testosterone levels. This is largely why it takes most post pubescent men a bit of time before they have enough desire to have sex or masturbate again. According to these two studies below, it takes 1-2 weeks after an ejaculation for testosterone levels to reach a biological peak. This peak level is rarely experienced by most men because theyā€™re so eager to bust a nut wether itā€™s with someone else or by their own hand:

A research on the relationship bā€¦ [J Zhejiang Univ Sci. 2003 Mar-Apr] - PubMed - NCBI

Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgaā€¦ [World J Urol. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI

As we know, high testosterone levels means higher androstenone (and other pheromones) levels coming out of our pores, sweat and urine. So this explains the way that masturbation depletes the likelihood of attracting a sexual partner. Those T. levels drop after regular sex too, but you have the added benefit of having a womanā€™s copulins scent all over you which if we never bathed, would make other women more attracted to you and might perhaps make up for the deficit of androstenone.

Personally I practice ancient taoist sexual kung fu exercises where I with hold ejaculating with either a partner or myself. That doesnā€™t mean I never do (some people get so skilled at it that theyā€™ll go 10+ years without ejaculating and experience amazing health benefits as a result) but that I have full conscious control over when and where I do have that release. This isnā€™t for everyone of course but it can certainly be beneficial to go longer periods of time in between ejaculations as this prevents chronically low testosterone levels.

In your youth and young adulthood youā€™ll have raging T. levels anyways but those arenā€™t unlimited. By preserving this special hormone and literally ā€œstoring it upā€ you can prevent andropause and other male problems later on it life.

Also if you develop good control in bed, it always feels good when a woman is amazed at how sheā€™s had 3+ orgasms and you have yet to cum yet :smiley:

On the topic of prostate health, witholding ejaculation can actually be really good for prostate health. The Australian study in the previous post does not control the factors of whatā€™s occurring. People read a study (as wellas those who performed the study) and donā€™t think of what controls could be lacking. We have no idea if the sexual arousal once a day, the ejaculation itself once a day or te orgasm once a day is creating the healthy benefits for the prostate. We know that all three of those things are separate events. They can all be experienced without the others too.

If you with-hold ejaculating but still engage in sex and also self-pleasure (the word masturbate actually means ā€œto defile oneselfā€ā€¦ I think weā€™ve moved beyond that kind of religious guilt in our society) you can still have orgasms and arousal (which brings blood to the postate which helps remove stagnant blood and dead cells which can contribute to prostate problems) and the production of pre cum which washes out the vas deferens. The ejaculate itself comes from the testicles (sperm) and the seminal vessicles (fluid which mixes with the sperm), not the prostate.

Prostate cancer is also one of the easiest to prevent. Donā€™t eat processed foods, eat plenty of organic antioxidant rich foods, do kegels regularly and keep your free testosterone levels high (while not letting DHT get out of control).

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It should be noted that high testosterone levels are also preventative to cardiovascular disease, 99% of cancers, diabetes, Alzheimerā€™s and just about every other chronic disease.

If you engage in semen retention for any period of time longer than perhaps 2 weeks, itā€™s highly suggested you look at the proper qi-gong exercises to prevent stagnation. If you ever experience pain (blue balls) itā€™s best to ejaculate as the pain increases with time (itā€™ll reach a peak and then go away but it make even walking difficult).

This only happens again with the stagnation and improper techniques used. I suggest looking into the work of Mantak Chia or Daniel P. Reid for more information on the practice.

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Here goes my first post, and itā€™s strange that itā€™s very closely related to what Komodo Dragon just talked about. Itā€™s the Taoist way of ā€œejaculating up the spineā€.

What you do is, you masturbate or have sex and in the split second before you feel that you are going to ejaculate, you tense the muscles in your genital and anal regions. Imagine you are ā€œsuckingā€ the semen back into your body as opposed to letting it come out.

What this does is, it maximizes your pheromone output after about five weeks, in my experience. You will be approached by women in a leauge you never dreamed possible.

One of best things about this technique is it prevents you from having wet dreams somehow, which would normally happen if you were simply just abstaining from masturbation all together. The negative of a wet dream would be that you would be sent back to day one.

Iā€™m guessing that women can sense, through pheromones, that you have a full store of semen awaiting for them. This technique allows you to still experience sex, masturbation, and orgasm, but prevents you from ejaculating, and from having wet dreams, and thus allows you to build up semen stores to ideal levels for attraction.

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Since pheromones are derived from testosterone, the answer is absolutely. The more testosterone you have, the more androstonone you will produce as a by_product, for instance. When you mastubate, you greatly diminish your testosterone levels, and therefore you pheromone production will be affected as well.

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Only a handful of pheromones are derived from testosterone so your arone levels may go down but not for all pheromones. In fact ejaculation may produce a whole different set of signalers much like copulins do.

Tisha

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But isnā€™t it true that changing the amount of just one pheromone changes the whole signature? Especially one with such touted effects like androstenone. A significant change in the amount of this single pheromore should take place with a significant change in testosterone, right?

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A persons signature changes all the time only your base signature changes slowly. There are different types of mones that have specific functions and I bolded them out below.

You have a base signatureā€¦ this is the signature made of of identifier type pheromones. Your testosterone levels would effect this part of your signature. This part speaks about your biology. Male, female, old , young, fertile, non fertile, healthy, sick etc etcā€¦

Then you have pheromones secreted that speak about your personality and behaviors. These cause a short term behavior change in those around you. These are signalers basically. Releasers tend to cause a longer term behavior change and are associated with sexual attraction. Testosterone does increase the releasers as well as the identifiers.

Now if your testosterone levels cause you to produce to much identifiers the signature crosses over into Aggregation type pheromones. These are the same as identifiers but in high concentrations they begin to speak a different story about you. Although anone tends to be a sex pheromone or releaser more then an identifier think of an Anone OD response. Agressive, protective, defensive. High amounts are produced to surpress people not attract.

This is where people make that mistake of ā€¦ Oh boy if a little is good then a lot is better. Not with mones. Its also why I get a laugh when I see these other sights touting ā€œours is 25X stronger then the othersā€ Thats not a good thing. They are marketing on peoples ignorance when it comes to mones and how they function. More just sends a different signal and that signal may not be conducive to attraction but its human nature to want more.

There are other categorizations for mones but they apply more to other mammals and insects then us. Trail mones and territorial mones although if you examine copulins close enough you may find they have some characteristics of territory mones. Semen may as well. More studies are needed in this area. Other women can detect cops on a man and it indicates he is taken.

Alarm mones which we secrete when scared or anxious in different levels and do signal in the sense of leaving an impression of you. Animals are really good at picking up on the alarm mones. Its a directly connected to there survival.

Some pheromones fall into more then one category but they tend to have one strong characteristic which puts them more into one category then another.

So back to the subject at hand ā€¦masturbationā€¦ snort (sorry no pun intended) well maybe a little LOL. :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes your testosterone levels drop directly after you masturbate but if your young and healthy, have a good diet they come right back to baseline fairly quickly.

Think about it, does having a lot of sex make you less masculine or diminish your testosterone levels ? You can find studies that go both ways. Some say it increases testosterone some say it lowers testosterone. But both studies indicate which ever the effect the body comes back to baseline. The healthy human body is amazing that way. It will always work to bring you back in balance. Its only when you abuse that body that things get out of whack. My opinionā€¦ if you masturbate a few times a week your hormone levels should be fine. If your doing it constantly your abusing your body and that can have an effect. Moderation is the key to balancing just about everything in life.

Tisha

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Hope yā€™all donā€™t mind if I bump this thread (itā€™s only been a few months since there were any posts here, anyway).

Tisha, you are a wonderful asset to this community. I was a member here last June, signed up, got the gift certificate (still havenā€™t used it yet ā€“ it DOESNā€™T expire, right?!), but this is the first time Iā€™ve been back since June 6, 2011. Wow. Iā€™ve been lurking like crazy ever since, from searches Iā€™ve made on Google and all that jazz, and almost every time, I see a post by Tisha, answering questions and informing people with info and knowledgeā€¦ just wanted to say I appreciate it. All the hard work and everything. Keep doing what you do. :slight_smile:

Now, onto the gritty stuff (lol). This topic piques my interest. I donā€™t know if any of you have heard the term ā€œNo Fapā€, but itā€™s pretty popular on a bodybuilding subforum called the ā€œMiscā€ and other sitesā€¦ basically, itā€™s mostly about guys wanting to stop watching porn and, in the act, they stop masturbating. Porn was never a problem for me. So that wasnā€™t what intrigued me.

Iā€™ve always felt ā€˜testosterone fueledā€™ (donā€™t mean to sound like a tool by saying that, if I do). Copious amounts of thick body hair, quick facial hair growth, deep voice, longer ring finger than index, extreme libido, etc. etc. BUTā€¦ something I always hatedā€¦ (KEEP IN MIND that Iā€™m just 21 years old) was how tired Iā€™d be after masturbation. I got out of a relationship almost 2 years ago, and the tired feeling never bothered me after sex. In fact, albeit Iā€™d feel exhausted, I felt so damn confident and ā€˜virileā€™. But as for masturbating, I hated how Iā€™d feel afterward. Yeah, Iā€™d feel a few seconds up to 10-15 seconds of elation, but then Iā€™d feel so tired and unmotivated to do anything (but eat and binge on food!) for hours upon hours.

Then I tried No Fap. Went a week in April. Felt incredible. It could have been a placebo, but I 100% believe the effects were palpable and physiological! I felt mental clarity, more focus, stronger, hornier (was already horny enough, but took it to the next level; average looking females began turning me on to no end while being fully clothed LOL!)ā€¦ I just felt like a BETTER person! A well oiled machine, to say the least!

I had never ā€“ at that point ā€“ got my testosterone levels checked, but I wanted to see if I could ā€˜raiseā€™ them by not masturbating. However, after April, I fell back into the habit, and again I felt drowsy and unmotivated. All the time.

Then, in June, I was going through a rather stressful time in my life (loss of a family member). This time I was 13 days without masturbating, and again felt strong (physically and mentally), focused, ready to tackle the day off of 4 hours of sleepā€¦ I felt great.

Long story short, itā€™s been an off and on process since then, and Iā€™ve been reading about it a lot. When Iā€™m about to do something that takes a lot of energy or mental focus, I TRY (keyword being TRY!) to NOT ejaculate whatsoever in the days before.

In late August, I got my T levels checked. Canā€™t remember the exact number but it was about 450 ng/dl (I believe 250 ng/dl is the normal range?). Well, I found out a few things ā€“ my vitamin D levels were low, and I was deficient in selenium!!

From then on, on a daily basis, Iā€™ve been eating 6 Brazil nuts a day, 20-30 almonds (about an ounce), at least 4 eggs (cholesterol ā€“ testosterone) and supplementing with vitamin D (D3) ā€“ the amount of D Iā€™ve been taking has been 20,000 IU a day. I took it for 4 weeks (the Dā€¦ LOL), took off 2-3 weeks, and continued. Off and on, Iā€™ve also taken Butter OOil/Fermented Cod Liver Oil capsules which features vitamin A (not beta carotene, but the form that directly correlates, along w/ zinc, with testosterone levels!), some D and Vitamin K2! Vitamin K2 is known as The ā€œX-Factorā€! It also, APPARENTLY, has some positive testosterone-fueling benefitsā€¦ not to mention itā€™s HUGE in the processing of vitamin D and calcium. Stops the D from over-calcifying your arteries! Itā€™s amazingā€¦ but itā€™s pricey, so I picked up a bottle of MK7 (the form) Vitamin K2 to supplement with my D3.

Oh, and why the Brazil nuts? Because they have more dietary selenium than any other food out thereā€¦ but I donā€™t eat many, because one serving is about 750% of oneā€™s daily value of seleniumā€¦ Selenium helps protect the prostate, is a natural antioxidant and ā€˜helps outā€™ the, uh, swimmers in the olā€™ sack. But too much is bad the little swimmers, of course.

Anyway, when I got my testosterone levels checked again, recently, I almost doubled my T levels ā€“ from 450 ng/dl to 820. I also apparently slightly lowered my SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin), which also apparently helped increase my free Tā€¦ how so? How did all this happen? Vitamin E, Iā€™m surmising, from the almonds. Iā€™ve read that vitamin E also stimulates LH (luteinizing hormone), which signals to the hypothalamus in the brain to signal to the pituitary to signal (a lot of signalling!) to the testes to produce testosterone!

This is not a ā€˜miracleā€™ at all. Keep in mind, again, that Iā€™m 21 years old, and at my age, my testosterone levels SHOULD be through the roof! But I did the above, got decent (5-6, sometimes 7, hours) of clear sleep (ā€˜clearā€™ sleep is better than a long night of restless sleep) and Iā€™ve had a rather positive attitude through at all, competing in various facets of life in different competitions, maintaining calmness through high stress situations, etc.

Iā€™m extremely horny all the time and my libido is ridiculous, even more than before. Regardless, I do the whole ā€œNo Fapā€ shindig for a couple of weeks. And if I donā€™t get into any kind of relationships with interested girlfriends are involved (i.e no sex), I just masturbate before bed (after 10-14 days or so), and then start the cycle all over again. I love the energy from not masturbating. Say itā€™s a placebo, but hey, itā€™s one hell of a placebo! The one thing I can hardly stand is the random ā€˜woodiesā€™ (trying to tiptoe around my wording). I could see an extremely average looking girl, and I can be attracted to her, and get physically turned on. Itā€™s insane. To add one quick thing: yes, I do edge a bit, but unlike many, I think ā€˜edgingā€™ is healthy in the way bloodflow is increased, and well, just putting it out there, I think having a boner is healthy in general!:stuck_out_tongue:

Iā€™ve noticed a lot more looks from girls and even some older women, too, which is a plus. I have to say that I feel ALMOST more confident than ever, which is saying something, because I was down in the dumps back in 2011 after the break-up with my ex from then. She cheated on me in 2010, and for the LONGEST time, my confidence levels were at an all-time low and I lacked self-esteem and felt insecure every second of the day. Now? The complete opposite.

If girls get more attractive both physically and hormone wise when they are fertile, it makes sense for men to be the same.

Wanted to draw attention to the above, in case anybody that replies want to address it or negate it! I love to learn!

Iā€™ve read that girls are known to sync their monthly cycles with their friends who they spend a lot of time with. Currently, it is unclear exactly how this happens, but scientists speculate that it has something to do with pheromones released by them. (Please address this and correct me if Iā€™m wrong!)

If the human body is capable of releasing hormones to communicate with those around us, and they can interpret those messages and react to them with a physical change, then it is pretty much a dead certainty (?) that not masturbating could produce a chemical that everyone around you subconsciously picks up from you to let them know that you are in ā€œgod-modeā€ and fertile with a ā€œfull bag of seedsā€. On a completely one-lane road of a level, would a horny female typically be more attracted to a guy with a full sack or a guy thatā€™s weak, completely drained and ā€˜fruitlessā€™? (I know, there WAY MORE factors at hand here, but I just wanted to be a little, um, canā€™t think of the wordā€¦ I dunnoā€¦ basic? I guess?)

Iā€™ve gained an interest in biology recently (Iā€™m passionate about nutritional science more than anything, however) and from various examples of human behavior and adaptations I have already been taught, it would not surprise me in the slightest if we (as in us guys) had an evolutionary adaptation that limits our ability to attract girls for sex when we have a low sperm count and makes it easier to attract them when we have a high sperm count. We already know that a womanā€™s appearance improves when she is at her most fertile point in her cycle, the same is very possible for men.

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I can confirm your story. I am 41 and almost 2 months in NOFAP and that actually changed my life. I feel mental clarity and focus, stronger in the gym, and what is more important hornier than I was in my 30ā€™s. I can feel an attraction in both ways every day.

My T levels was on low end on normal scale for years, but now it is on the middle (donā€™t know the numbers now).

Good post!

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I was thinking that mone output increases when we dont masturbate at least by day 7 or so, when testosterone spikes. As for the days after i have no idea, but i have gone many times witbout masturbating for weeks at a time until a nocturnal emission, and i have to say that it works for increasing stamina in work outs. But i hear that pheromone output being linked to T levels would be a good guess since most the mones we produce that are male like are androgens, derived from testosterone, so it would make sense that we would produce more.

My question is this. If you go abstinent say past those 7 days and keep going, will the need for certain mones be useless? Like say substitution of none and dienone for anol and bnol to calm that sexual tension, or say rone to make you more authoritative and thus more attractive for long term? Or would the need for ANY mones go out the window?

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Not all mones are naturally-produced. For more novel effects, novel molecules are needed.

An increase in testosterone will reduce the need for certain mones, Androstenone and A1 most notably, but it will not, at any point, eliminate that need (or want, I should say). We produce mones naturally in much lower dose ranges than what we typically spray on our bodies.

Beyond this, any significant change in oneā€™s hormone output will result in a change in the dynamics of oneā€™s interactions.

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The confidence boost it gives is really attractive to women.It works after 90 days or so cause your dopamine receptors are fā€™ed up from faping releasing all the dopamine all the time. So you canā€™t be as happy as you potentially could be. But after 90 days you revert back to being normal cause faping isnā€™t natural.

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Yeah i am am aware of that fact as well of dosage vs natural output. But if we are to figure out what the proper dosage is for us, we have to figure out what we already produce at different stages of our ā€œmasturbation cycleā€ if you will for lack of a better term, our hormone production, and our natural output. For all we know, people could be ODā€™ing not even knowing it, and then blame the creator of the product for selling a product that doesnā€™t work.

On the other point, i have reason to believe that there is some mechanism for creating those other putatives naturally, we just havenā€™t found a way to ā€œfind themā€ in nature yet? Iā€™ve found that there are times where i feel a situation or event going a specific way without mones, and it reminds me of a certain mone combo Iā€™ve used before. Itā€™s rather interesting, but i think that using the power of the mind, mixed in with intent, causes our bodies to produce certain chemical chains which may mimic or even be these putatives we have come to know and love. Just an idea though, im not a biologist so i wouldnā€™t know how to prove it completely. But i will be studying what converts to what and what these putatives look like chemistry wise to see if there is any possible link to where they derive from.

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Since thereā€™s no sure way to test oneā€™s pheromone output at the moment, the only way to adjust here is to test.

And yes, many people OD without knowing it, only to blame the vendor for their mistake. Such people can rarely be reasoned with.

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Maybe now as we get into the nitty gritty of pheromone theory, we may just begin to make a system which we may be able to use publicly to help people get the best service available, both vendor and customer relations which go far beyond what they may already do now. Palpable results that will keep us all coming back for more.

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If you have not had any kind of sex during the last days, there will be a slight chance that you actually have decreased the Testosterone production instead of increased it. So if you realy think that you have got better work-outs because of Testosterone, then it is not because you dont masturbate anymore. But maybe because you have had some good night of sleep or because you have had been working out lately.

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I was doing some reading, and as it turns out, there is a decrease of testosterone after a work out, by the same mechanism i suppose as fapping or having sex, the release of dopamine as well as the psychological aspects of feeling good after a good workout. But there is also an increase in T levels after, the increase far surpassing the decrease. Also i read that there is an increase in T after sex, probably due to copulin release by the female, which is why there may be a decrease after masturbation rather than an increase. With how complex the body is, im sure we produce a lot of different things, even those which we call putatives. Otherwise how can we explain instances where it seems we remember when times just flowed like wearing P96, or when things were just so fun and light that people just didnt take your seriously, like neno.
If wearing mones has done anything for me, its allowed me to question every interaction which Iā€™ve logged into my memory as a memorable experience and then analyze what momes i have used so far and see which experience matches what mone or molecule mix. So far my experiences with testing out different mones has made me realize that, with the brain being the cheif operator of the body, and the body doing whatever it tells it, im sure it has the ability to make whatever it so desires. With as smart as we are, we should have already kept this in mind, owing to the fact that any and all interactions aside from the other 4 senses, is also influenced by that 5th, the sense of smell.