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Ok, I was all excited that I got to go out last night and actually socialize with my new pheros on. I think alcohol was involved in the process of unsuspectingly ODing on my Ammo. I feel like an idiot.

Here is what I started with:

1 spray Ammo to chest
2 spray Ammo to the neck
1 spray Instant Female Magic to back of neck
1 spray Instant Shine to hair

At 38 I thought that I could handle the extra -none. In retrospect though I may have actually started out with too much Ammo in the first place. I workout daily so does this affect my natural -none production? Am I already puttin some out? Any thoughts on this would be helpful.

So, went to a sports bar to watch the UFC pay-per-view. As you could imagine this was “Sausagefest 2007”. The testosterone was a flowin’ in this place! Funny thing, this place is called “Emerson Biggins” Think about it for a sec…say the name out loud…it’ll come to ya…(stupid name huh?) It is a Hooters type of establishment. Real classy joint LOL!

Sat down at the bar waiting for my male friend to arrive. Waited on by a late 20 something blonde hottie bartender. Good immediate eye contact and nice smile as she waited on me. Nothing out of the ordinary though. I gave her my usual cocky funny routine throughout the night. She was very open/flirty at first and then seemed to shut down, become closed off and quiet toward me as the evening wore on and all the way until we left. I didn’t think I was getting any action from my pheros, so as the night progressed I went to the bathroom several times and proceeded to spray more Ammo on me to try and see results. The more drinks I had, the more Ammo I sprayed. I probably hit myself with 2 sprays to the neck 3 times over the course of 4 hours. Such a dork! I was frustrated that I wasn’t getting these awesome amazingly obvious hits so I think I was just purposefully trying to OD to see ANY kind of results. Even negative ones. My first hour there was probably my best. This was with my original application before I started to overdo it. But I might have already put too much Ammo on in the first place. What do y’all think?

My friend talked to me a lot at the beginning of the night, but he is always that way. It did seem that he got quiet at the end of the night. Were my -nones too threatening?

During the first hour the bartender smiled, kept eye contact with me, and was generally happy/flirty. (“Is this the Ammo or just her doing her job”, I wonder). During this time an unattractive trailer park girl with her boyfriend next to me at the bar suddenly turned to me and said “Hi” and then turned right back around and was all over her boyfriend. Didn’t really think much of it at the time. Then the spraying of the Patratt commenced.

As the night went on the bar got crowded and bartender chick got busy. This is when she started to shut down…she seemed like she was not in a good mood, at least around ME. I think it’s because she was just really busy, but it may be because of my Ammo OD. I even told her to smile at one point and said “it’s no big deal, it’s just a job, it’ll be okay”. No smile from her and I got the DIHL. My buddy laughed. At no point did she ever touch her hair when talking to me, but I noticed her messing with her hair ALL night when dealing with other customers away from me. Or she messed with her hair while drawing a beer or standing at the cash register. Is she just naturally a chick that messes with her hair all the time? She didn’t seem threatened by me when talking to her, just kind of closed off and pissy. I even thought I might be overdoing it with the -none so I sprayed IS on me everytime I did the Ammo. I was a Phero-mess. (Noobie rule #1 - leave the to-go bottles at home until you know what the hell you are doing)

Woke up this morning and noticed I used 3/4 of my togo bottle of IS! Just got it 2 days ago. Way to go dude.

The girl next to me never spoke to me again, kept her back to me, and was all over her boyfriend. BTW, guys that I came into contact with during the evening were generally friendly and open to me. No posturing or negative behavior from men. So did I OD the bartender? The girl next to me? My buddy?

After the UFC fight, my friend and I decide to go downtown to a club. He is 34 and a real wallflower when it comes to women. He knows it and is trying to work on it. I like to get out with him occasionally and I always feel like I am trying to help him. He doesn’t act like my wingman because he won’t talk to girls. So I end up being the Commander. I also like to kind of show off in front of him a little when we go out and I hope that I am helping him by providing some type of model. I by no means have a big game arsenal…just more than him. :slight_smile:

So, last night at the club I do all the girl talking and even ask a girl to dance with my friend. She answers with “I have a boyfriend” There were an unusual amount of chicks with boyfriends in this place. This is the answer I received from 3 girls I asked to dance. Wasn’t just a line either, they were clearly standing right there with them. Hmmm…was my OD of Ammo giving me way too much confidence? Or maybe the alcohol? I stood right out next to an area where everyone walked right by me at one of those bar height tables and was posturing bigtime. Probably looked like a prowling pervert. Felt like it.

The bar was mostly 20 somethings and I usually do well in this environment sans pheros. Always have. I am 38, but I look 28. I like to ask people how old they think I am and they always guess 26-30. Let’s be clear though, I was not looking for a ONS- just girls to hangout with, talk, dance, and maybe share a few kisses. I am ideally looking for a LTR and I realize I will not find that girl in a club. My buddy pretty much kept a 6 foot distance from me. Being the wallflower that he is…that is what he did…hungout behind me in the shadows up against the wall. His normal shyness or too much Ammo on me? I beg him to ask girls to dance and he refuses. I even shoot him with 2 shots of Ammo on the neck. I am such a dumbass… wasting my pheros, I know, but I really wanted to help my friend. He is a good guy and one of my few friends still single.

So here’s the rundown on asking girls to dance: 3 girls answer - “I have a boyfriend, see? he’s right here.” (pointing to boyfriend) LOL! 1 girl - “no thanks”. 1 girl - “Yes” as her friends are draggin her out the door. Eventually, I do find two other girls (25 or younger, hot, & always go for blondes) that I do dance with seperately. They both behave the same way. They are out on the floor with me for about one song closely grinding and then suddenly are gone. Don’t even talk to them or see them again. Hmmm…dancing close with me just enough time to get a whiff of my overly-sexed-throwin-out-way-too-much-Androstenone-completely-too-confident manhood. Probably seemed to them I was some kind of old playboy lookin’ to do them right then and there. That’s about it. Closed the bar down and came home frustrated with my results.

Did I just imagine this stuff or was I getting real hits? Was I getting negative hits? Am I so used to reading all of the other forum members experiences that I try to believe that this stuff is happening or is it all just normal human behavior and I am reading stuff into it?

If anybody actually reads this whole thing and can shed some light on my experience with this stuff, I would really appreciate your input.

Ladies, I could really use your advice and explanation on the female behavior.

Thanks to all of you.

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'None production in men decreases over time. I bet regular exercise may slow this down but decreased production with age seems to be a fact of life. That being said you are probably producing 'none but certainly not as much as you did when you were 20. I am just a little older than you and the consus is that in our age range 2-3 sprays is probably plenty.

Sounds like there was WAY too much 'none applied. 2-3 sprays of Ammo was PLENTY of 'none for most of the night. After that you mighta been lucky the only thing that happened was that the waitress shut down. With that much 'none and and then all the UFC testosterone flowing who knows what coulda happened. A lot of users on this and another forum have reported male aggression (verbal and physical) directed them when they OD’d on 'none.

At the same time, that same formula - busy bar, lotsa testosterone, probably several jerks and half the place coming on to the waitress - well, she may have had a good reason to shut down besides you.

But the bottom line is that you probably applied too much Ammo even for your age. I am slightly older and MIGHT have applied 1 more spray before hitting the club. Even then 4 sprays is a lot, but then again there are quite a few users who say you need to go a little heavier in a club-type venue where you have cigarette smoke, colognes, perfumes, persperation - ie: nasal overload.

9 sprays (if my count was correct) in just over 4 hours however was a serious waste of Ammo and seriously worked against you.

Great post though.

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Yeah, deffinately OD makes people around you shut and quiet.It makes you nervous too.Did u get nervous?I usually don’t put pheros on chest but in my neck and wrists.These points are more open (not under clothes) and the results are stronger.What can I say, the bartender playing with her hair being away from you is just what I get when I OD.I’ve found that when you use more than normal doses of none women tend to keep distance and send you signals from there.But when close they shut up and tend not even to look at you.I made similar mistake couple of days before and the attitute of the only girl in my table (male company, cafeteria, 1 girl, evening) changed verry fast as I applied more none in the toilet.There was nonverbal IOI but she didn’t dare even to look at me.Stopped to talk too.Just sitting there , being nervous and playing with her hair.When I asked her is she ok, she replaied with verry trembling voice.See, not a mistake, just an OD.Don’t woory, just remeber the right dosage. And when you apply try to do it on more open areas.And one more, some girls even influenced with the right dosages of none will not show it so it’s better you to talk to them more and to interact with them more as to keep things going.Good post.:wink:

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Perfume OD

I find I can wear fairly large amounts of anone. It is not unusual for me to wear 25 mcg or more to work with good effect. This is accompanied by a very subtle cover scent.

However, wearing several sprays of a cologne with pheromone can give me a definite OD experience, with people trying to avoid me. The difference (I believe) is a very strong cologne smell in addition to the anone, which I hypothesize marks one as a “playa.”

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I’m sorry Gone but I am not quite sure of what you are saying.

The only time you OD with androstenone is when you cover it heavily with a cologne? Are you saying you apply pure -none covered by a cologne?

I would think Ammo would be too “sexual” for me at work. Purely a male environment.

Remind me, how much -none is in 1 spray of Ammo?

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Boss, thanks for driving home what I suspected. At least I got hits, even if it was negative. Learning quickly. Gonna stick with just 2-3 sprays in the future. Just got anxious for results I guess.

Nova, thanks for helping me to see that it happens to others the same way I saw last night. I do not like ODing on -none. I want girls to be open to me, not all shut down and quiet. That sucked! Even if they were attracted to me, that still sucked to have them avoid me.

No, I did not experience any nervousness.

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Good Post. It is hard to say what caused each reaction. I think you eventually ODed, But I would say about 25% of what you observed was from your OD and about 75% of what you observed was normal human behavior that you read too much into. I can wear the same mix on a Friday night and have 5 sexual serious hits and take 1 home. I can wear the same mix the next Friday night and get no positive hits and 5 negative reactions. It is kind of like golf. Some days you sink all your putts and some days you can’t make a putt to save your life. I do not think the putting has anything to do with what cologne you wore to the golf course. I hope I confused you.lol. Keep up the good work. DrZorters

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Almost every none heavy hit I’ve got has been from women I know, if only casually.

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Thank you DrZ. Yes, you have confused me.

Chad, your results with -none are very interesting. Thanks for the help.

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Tater tries to never adjust on the fly. Once you leave the house, you should live with it for the next 16-24 hours.

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For me too much none makes women to be interrested in me but from a distance…when close to me , they just shut up.Maybe is good for merried people who want to make their whife to shut TF up and be sexually interrested in them too.No quarel, no decrease in interrest, just quiet whife at home, isn’t that perfect?

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I am 44 and also find that I can comfortably wear 20-25mcg of Androstenone without negative effects from women, although men will get a just a little edgy around me at first.

I am thinking that your bartender girl was more friendly at first because she had the time to talk and flirt with you early on, but after the bar got busy and she had already “earned her tip” from you, she moved on to the other customers and to show them the same attention she had shown you earlier. I can’t say whether you OD’d or not, but at 9 sprays that would be 22.5 mcg of Androstenone, which would be fine on me.

As to the other girls, you are probably lucky you didn’t end up in a confrontation with one of the boyfriends. 20 mcg of Androstenone can make guys somewhat uncomfortable and edgy. Especially if they are with their girlfriends. With me at that level, they tend to become posessive of them, as if I am a threat.

The 2 girls you danced with, who then disappeared, did you at least try to talk to or find them? It seems to me that they had shown an interest, and if you didn’t then reciprocate, you couldn’t really expect them to hunt you down and throw themselves at you.

All in all, it’s hard to say wether you OD’d or not. But, Ammo does have a STRONG scent, and it’s quite likely that with that much, the cologne scent alone could have been overbearing.

Next time, leave the bottles at home, and test with 2 sprays one night, then 3 sprays the next time. I NEVER exceed 4 sprays of Ammo, just becuase of the scent, but will augment it with Turn Up The Heat or straight Androstenone more often then not.

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I’m saying that if a guy reeks of cologne it may put others off.

I’m in my late 40s and can wear a lot of Androstenone if I use unscented. I could probably OD if I pushed it further, but I see no need to. A younger guy would probably OD on much less than I wear.

As I recall, 1 spray of ammo has 5 mcg of Androstenone.

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Actually I’m almost positive that one spray of Ammo is 2.5mcg. There are also 2 additional buffer pheromones in Ammo, for a combined total of 7.5mcg per spray

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I stand corrected.

The product page does say

I just ordered a batch of double strength unscented ammo, and perhaps that’s why my brain slipped a cog and mentioned the double strength dosage.

Thanks Mark.

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Anytime GWTW. I knew it must have just been a slip. On my next re-order or Ammo I’ll be going with the 2X as well.

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I am not sure that Ammo is too “sexual” for an all male environment. I use MX237 - Ammo w/ TAA in a light neroli scent at work - same type environment - all male. I also use A314 and between the two I am the boss - even when I am not.

BTW: I also use 2X Ammo. But because of the cologne scent I will use 2 sprays only then use TUTH or the MX237 to “fine tune”.

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yes yes classic od. Strange though men become friendly like the hits
you want from girls you get from them.
So sorry but good experiment.

nols especially betanol also rones and Androstadienone, will do real good.
you might have lots of none anyway, which is shows to be unattractive to
women in higher than 5mcg (older men can use it though), but nols and rones are highly attractive too.
bye bye.
Edit: I suggest a quarter of a spray ammo if you can manage it or 2- 4 dabs by opening the bottle to half a spray or 6-8 dabs. 6-8 dabs of tuth have worked better than 1 spray of tuth for me on women. Just editing my old post .The post is 10 years old but still relevant as someone may benefit from low dosing of ammo or tuth.