First use report: Ammo, TUTH; Question on mixing?

Hello, First time posting on this part of the forum. I made my first purchase of Ammo and TUTH a little over a week ago, and have just placed a second order. There is a lot here, so let me know if I should break this up into different threads.


First off, my question- I’m interested in make a personalized party / pick-up mix after I experiment with the different 'mones I’ve just ordered. I’ve purchased an extra empty to-go spray bottle and some pipettes. Would it be alright to take measured ratios of the different products, and mix them in one spray bottle for personal use?

Right now for a party / pick-up mix, I’m thinking something along the lines of:
1 part A314 (spray version 1.29B); 3 parts Ammo; 3 parts MX390; 3 parts IS. I still need to experiment with them before I make it official, but this is what I’m shooting for.

Part 2 to this question, is ‘How much of something like this should I use’? That formula above is 10 parts total. So with something like that, should I start with 10 sprays spread across various points and fine tune it from there?

BTW I ordered the A314 in spray form, because 1) I’m not sure if I want to throw down the $100 for the oil just yet, and 2) I’m not sure if it would be okay to mix the oil A314 with the spray 'mones together in a spray bottle.


OK now on to the (rather lengthy) report:
The basics about me: I’m a white-hispanic male, 25 y/o with a bit of a baby face (I look 5 years younger), pretty attractive looking or so I’ve been told, 5’6" (~168cm), 150 lbs (~68kg), I’m small framed but physically fit. I am usually pretty outgoing, and playfully flirty when I interact with females.

I currently have a 30ml bottle of normal strength Ammo, and a 30ml bottle of normal strength TUTH.

Anyway, to start things off, I started by testing Ammo in the workplace. I’m a Medic in the Army, recently assigned to a medical clinic about a month and a half ago, so there are more females than usual around for me to get an idea how this works. I’m a new face at a new place, so it seems perfect for testing this type of stuff. I’m staying away from the TUTH here because quite frankly, I’m not looking to “shit where I eat”, so to speak.

Again, I apologize for it being kind of long winded, so for those who think its too much to read:
TL;DR- Ammo Good, TUTH might be too much for me. Seemed to backfire on white girls, but seemed to work well on a black girl as the night went on. Going to try some other stuff.

Day 1, Wednesday: At first I applied 1 spray to my neck, just to see how things go. Throughout the day, I didn’t notice much difference with my daily interactions. So one spray was a bust, No biggie. Tomorrow’s another day.

Day 2, Thursday: The next day I tried 1 spray to my neck, and 1 spray directly to my left wrist, which I rubbed into my right wrist. Here I started to notice some some differences in interactions with some female coworkers. Throughout the day, I’ve noticed several of them looking at me, or standing a little closer to me than they normally would. One female in particular was going out of her way to help me out with some menial chores that had to be done around the clinic, chatting me up the entire time. By the end of the day, another one was definitely shit-testing me a bit in a playful manner during some down time. Overall, I was pretty surprised about it all. I honestly wasn’t really expecting results that quick.

Day 3, Friday: I didn’t want to go overboard with this stuff at the workplace, and I wanted to verify the reactions I was getting, so I stuck with the same amount of Ammo (1x neck, 1x wrist). Interaction were more of less the same as the prior day. No noticeable negative interactions among male coworkers.

Ok, so after the results I saw, I’m in. I spent the evening lurking on the forums, getting ideas and finally placing my second order. More on that later.

Now here is where it gets interesting…
Day 3+, Friday night:
So now its Friday night, and I’m thinking to myself that I want to give TUTH a little test too. So I shower, try to scrub off the Ammo previously applied to get a clean slate, and get ready to go to the nearest decent club. This time I apply 2 sprays of Ammo to my neck, and 1 spray to the wrists. I also give myself 1 spray of TUTH to my chest. I show up to the club about an hour later, its 1130pm, prime time. I grab a drink, feel out the place (my first time here), dance a little, and scout the area for potential “test subjects”. I see three pretty 21-22 y/o white girls dancing with no guys around them, so I go for it.

I approach Girl A from the front, greet her, start dancing and ask if she minds if I dance with her. I was pretty laid-back about it, not very aggressive or super up-close in-your-face, pretty polite and respectful IMO. She looks at me wide eyed for a second, does a double take at me, and says “I guess, sure”. She asks me my name, and introduces herself and her friends. We dance for about a minute or two, all the while she looks a little uncomfortable, and Girl B and Girl C are both looking at me kind of funny. Finally, Girl B leans over to me to tell me that they all have boyfriends, and that I’m wasting my time because nothing is going to happen here. :open_mouth: WHOA! Ok, not a problem, I respond that I’m not really looking for much more than someone to dance with. At that point, she gathers up her friends and they retreat to the bar, leaving me stranded awkwardly on the dance floor. Alright… win some, lose some.

After a few minutes, they come back to the dance floor with another female and a guy. So I have the bright idea to approach Girl B and sate my curiosity as to why she doesn’t like me (I already know the answer in my head, but I figured it would be interesting to see what she says). So I dance up to her, lean over and ask. She just looks at me and shakes her head. Then her male friend moves in between us, facing me. The guy is a good bit bigger than me and tries to use that to his advantage with some additional chest puffing, but one thing about me is that I don’t intimidate easily. I lean over to him and ask whats up. He immediately deflates a little, and tells me that they said they have boyfriends and that I need to respect that fact. The funny thing is that his tone of voice sounded a little intimidated! Funny stuff! Anyways, I don’t want to cause anymore issues, so I pat the guy on the shoulder, tell him “okay” and to have fun tonight as I move to a different part of the dance floor.

For most of the rest of the night, I had similar rejections, though not as interesting as that first one. Mostly, It consisted of a female looking at me awkwardly for a minute while dancing, and then moving away. Not very characteristic of my normal outings.

Well, the night wasn’t a total failure. Something very unexpected happened. About one hour before closing time, a tall (maybe 6 feet tall in heels), gorgeous black female, estimated age of 22-23y/o, approached me while I was dancing solo. She tells me that I’ve “been killin’ it out on the dance floor all night”, so we start dancing together. After a few minutes of us getting to know a little about each other, we’re dancing pretty close, getting our grind on, all things are going well… UNTIL my kryptonite kicks in. “I wish you were a taller, I hate looking down when I dance.” Always happens to me when I’m with a tall female lol. Anyway I move past that, and she ends up giving me her number, telling me to call her next time I’m in the area. Not too bad for less than an hour of dancing with her.

My best guess is that the TUTH might be a bit too much for me personally. I’m more of a laid back, have fun type of personality when I go out, not super-aggressive-gotta-get-laid type. Maybe my actions and persona didn’t mesh with the TUTH and I gave off a horny-creepy-rapist type of vibe or something. As the night went by, the effects might have weakened a bit, hence my little late night victory. I think I’m going to stay away from it for a little bit and see how things go. Eventually I want to try mixing it in VERY small amounts, maybe for more intimate encounters. We shall see.

Next week, I’m going to continue wearing 2 Sprays of Ammo to work for a few days, and maybe up it to 3 at some point just to see what happens. I’ll try out some of the A314, MX390, and/or IS that I ordered too, depending on when it arrives. Next weekend shoud be good, as I am going to visit a friend at a big party college. Hopefully I’ll have some good stuff to report then.

To everyone who read this all the way though, thank you! You have earned a cookie. Enjoy it.

Read through it, and tbh its worth more than a cookie. Really shed light on TUTH’s effects.

Instead of mixing them together in a togo, which leaves you with a then unchangable mix that may or may not be useful, you should layer the spray pheros over each other straight from the bottles, leaving a couple of minutes for each layer to dry down. Have a read of this:

That way, you can vary the proportions more easily as you go along - eg adding TUTH when going into a more appropriate/sexually charged environment, or softening an overt mix with IS if needed.

And you do not mix oil with alc-base or apply one over the other, as you will wreck the diffusion of both. Keep these app points apart.

As for your mix - Personally, I’ve found anything involving A314 and MX297/390 together to be highly unproductive. Just sends a confusing signal that failed totally around people who had previously responded very well to one or the other. I’m left wondering if the rone in the A314 might not sit well with the 297/390? Although Ammo has rone, it is also better balanced and lower proportion to begin with. TBH, for sexuality with 297/390, I found TUTH or even plain androstenone the best and least disturbing addition. IS goes well with all of these. :slight_smile:

As for dose - we can’t tell you that! This is where you need to do a little legwork tourself to see what sits best with your body chemistry, personality and social situations. Once you have an idea for your major components, it then becomes much easier to determine how they might work together.

Really nice report and welcome to your first OD my friend, looks like 3 sprays of ammo and one of tuth was too much but I dont think you should give up on tuth so easily, Next time maybe try some socials to soften the in your face sexual vibe it gives out or use it when you have built comfort and netted yourself a hottie and its time to go home with her as a bit of a persuasian tactic.

I agree with mobo, randomly mixing together products in a bottle without knowing the results that each product brings to the mix is a recipe for disaster and a massive waist, layering on the skin is much more economical and if it does’nt work no biggie, at least your not stuck with a bottle of mones that does’nt give you the effects you desire.

@Translash- TUTH really seams to be pretty potent. I can definitely see it being a good product once I learn how to use it properly. Honestly though, I’m only going to use it experimentally rather than practically until I figure out how it interacts with my body chemistry and other 'mones i may or may not be using. Not planning on using it for meeting people for a while.

@Mobcaster- Im going to have a read through that thread later on tonight. Don’t have time at the moment. I appreciate it, and am very interested in personally fine tuning mixes. So NO oil and spray mones on the same area, got it. Im pretty excited to try out the A314, and IF I like what I see, Ill probably pick up the oil based version. Ill have to keep that in mind.

Ive read different things about mixing A134 and MX297 together. Some say that the 297 gets you rockstar type respect, vs the Alpha-male type respect of A314, and that they either balance each other out, or cancel each other out. Only one way to find out for myself!

And I figured the dosing is something that Im going to have to find out personally. Im just trying to find a good place to start.

Alright, gotta get back to work, Later!

Great report, man! Glad to see ya here!

Yep.. sounds like you should reserve TUTH for special occasions. For when you actually need to turn up the heat. I’ve noticed women be a bit intimidated, or flat out reject me when I use it at large, but when I use it in a directed way, I… grins.

Just wanted to chime in:

Basically, the mantra you want to fly by when you’re creating mixes for yourself is:

“Your skin is your canvas”

Repeat repeat repeat. My skin is my canvas.

Build your mixes on your skin before you start pipetting things into a separate togo bottle. The mones don’t work the same when you mix them in-bottle as they do when you layer them on skin. Don’t waste your mone investment!

Oh, and try a “less is more” approach and fly with one thing at a time when you go out. You can always wash between wearings, ANDDD togos are so small you can stick one in your pocket to switch up the phero-atmosphere while you’re out on the prowl. I find switching phero signatures while I’m out is an AWESOME way to quickly get a feel of different mixes. Contrast helps!

@The Ghost- Yeah, the Ammo and TUTH was too much for me. I’m not giving up on the TUTH just yet, but I’ve realized how potent it really is. I’m going to have to be careful with it, in how and when it its used. Ammo on the other hand, seems to work great for me.

Another quick Ammo report from today: Just after my last post, before I returned back to work (the barracks I live in are located 2 minutes from the clinic I work at), I decided to give myself 1 more spray of Ammo on top of the 2 that I had from this morning. Not 15 minutes later in the clinic, I’m standing in a hallway, getting ready to see a patient when I look up to see a female medic glancing at me as she passes by. As she’s walking away from me, she starts to toss her hair a bit. I’m going for 3 sprays of ammo from the start tomorrow.:smiley:

@John Sebastian- I’m going to experiment with my new mones as soon as they arrive (its been almost 4 days and they still haven’t shipped yet grrrr, I’m so impatient!:stuck_out_tongue:), first individually, and then in pairs. Then once I get a feel for them I’ll start layering… THEN after I figure out how they interact, I’ll probably try to make small 1-2 ml mixes in a to-go bottle to see how that works.

I like the idea of having personalized mixes in a to-go bottle, because if I’m going out to party somewhere for a weekend, I’d rather only have to bring 1 little bottle to hold me over as opposed to 4-5 bottles. But if that really doesn’t work out, then so be it! We shall see.

If you are going to mix in a togo, then only mix enough for the night/weekend at hand, to avoid wastage.

Also remember that a mix that is appropriate at one point in the evening might not be so good at another and having the wherewithall to modify it over the course of an evening can be very useful. :wink: