If so, how much did you use?
What was the result?
It was an old poster … I think it was Josef … that ran -none with spaceland, and from what I remember, it got him laid with lots of laughing before.
If you can look up posters by name, try looking through his post. May be too much work.
Thought it was Josef …
***** i’ll buy it again. spaceland or the 30mcg experimone version is almost automatic for me anytime i use -none.
i know you are an experienced pheromone user and realize that nothing is automatic, spraying yourself with -none doesn’t guarantee a sexual encounter and likewise, spraying with spaceland won’t guarantee laughter and fun. with the right tool and the right frame of mind though, the chances of any particular intended reaction increase significantly.
****** i guess i am an “old” spaceland user since i picked up my bottle before this forum existed?
my favorite use for spaceland is when i am expecting a daytime hook up. the women i spend any time with are all 30’s and above and 2 sprays of spaceland in my hair (or if i’m using any -none, i cover the -none app spot with spaceland) and it helps create a very playful/more energetic and yes, fun, encounter. there is something very sexy to me about watching a grown mature woman giggle and tease and play in bed.
******* one of my earlier tests with 2 sprays Spaceland 3 drops -none had this girl non stop giggling but also practically humping my leg while we were hugging.
the non stop giggling is fine, until the clothes come off.
******** oh man you’re going to ask me to remember that far back, lol.
that test was 3 drops NPA, drops as in drops onto a finger and not dabs.
as fast as that stuff runs down my finger though it’s hard to tell how much i was wearing. (ALL NOTES BY JOSEF)
Here are my results (a -none constant of 10mcg)
2 sprays of Spaceland: Extra chatiness. Encounters are more jovial.
5 sprays of Spaceland: I become the life of the party. People keep coming back to hang around me. The self-effect is more extrovertedness.
10 sprays of Spaceland: It feels like everybody in my vacinity, including me, has just smoked a doobie. EXTREME goofiness. Towards the end of the day, my nose will begin twitching from the overload.
In all cases, the -none attracts women into my orbit while the Spaceland keeps them there. A good combination to boost attraction while spinning conversation threads. Speeds up the seduction process. And even if you don’t f-close, the Spaceland makes the process itself very enjoyable.
TEN sprays of Spaceland… Interesting result, Godhand! Can you go any further with -nols? 
10mcg of -none is your max ánd sweet spot I suppose?
Does Spaceland replace the social pheromones such as instant honesty, instant openess, and instant shine?
Spaceland is Openness on steriods. its about 5 times stronger. and makes people laugh/feel upbeat. Its pretty strong and blunt. I want to use it as a fun buffer.
was wondering if anyone else has tried.
I could go farther, but a a brutal dose (1 mg = 1,000 mcg) would take 20 sprays to accomplish. Once you put that much Spaceland on,it would be almost impossible to cover up the scent of the Spaceland. You’d literally smell like a bong store. Maybe one day I’ll try it, but there will have to be a kick ass party for me to do it. I’m not about to throw on a brutal dose and go to work. 
But maybe…one day when I’m feeling crazy and the moon and the tides are in certain positions…I might just try it out.
PS: I can go much higher than 10mcg of -none. Its just that when I’m out at clubs and bars, I’m generally meeting new women and therefore I’m trying to attract them and build comfort before I go into the seduction phase. High doses of -none is like pheromonally jumping right into the seduction phase. Really high amounts of -none will increase your chances of fool’s mate, but it may scare off other women that aren’t stone cold freaks, make AMOGs circle the wagons, and make you over aggressive in situations where finesse is needed.
Just what I thought. I wonder if, by using Spaceland, you’d be able to wear -none almost every day. hmmm.
The key is to use spaceland to keep from od’ing.
Thats what I’ve found. Its more an issue of balancing out the pheromones rather than the actual amount of pheromones. You could wear crazy amounts of -none as long as you had enough happy/shiney/social pheromones to balance it out.
Since Spaceland is all Androstenol, doesn’t it convert to androstenone over time? Which could of course lead to a none od.
Ive never heard of androstenol turning into -none. I have heard of -rone turning into -none.
androstenol takes flight immediately, there is no build up.
Loooong ago … before you were born, E, 
there were lots of discussions on Androstenol turning to none. Fact or fiction? None of the big companies never did the research.
SomeoneElse … fortune cookie say, “He who continues to fear the big OD, may often miss out on some outstanding and no-doubt-about-tit hits.”
I got the -nol to -none information years ago from the Love Scent forum. At the time there was much talk of Scent Of Eros, (which is mostly -nol) converting to adrostenone over a period of time…several hours if I remember correctly. I’ve worn Scent Of Eros but I usually washed it off fearing the conversion and od (I always wore it with NPA, The Edge, or Alter Ego). I had already experienced what too much -none can do to me as well as those around me.
hmmmm. interesting. this may be a problem then.
my new test is spaceland and -none as every day use. today, i think i put too much spaceland, the vibe was TOO happy, and not sexual enough. im still playing with it tho.
M&M
Largely a myth I think in my experience. Like MHarris said, I have never gotten any AndrostEnone-type ‘fear/respect’ hits from products like Spaceland or Scent of Eros worn alone (without additional -None) even many hours after high applications of these products when conversion should be an issue. Rather, the problem is that Alpha-Androstenol is fast diffusing and if you wore it with AndrostEnone, the AndrostEnone would stick around way longer causing you to possibly OD later when the Alpha-Androstenol is gone…
MHarris (April 16, 2006):
"…Unless you’re spraying these into your arm pits or other bacteria rich area, there’s probably very little “conversion”.
What happens is that the alpha Androstenol is far more diffusive than androstenone.
Androstenone (and some other pheromones, like androstadienone), is extremely tenacious. The “spider man” of pheromones, it can stick to your skin for days.
The other end of the spectrum are pheromones like alpha Androstenol, and, especially TAA. They’re fleeting. They’ll disperse faster than the -none component, even with good fixatives to regulate their dispersion."
MHarris (August 7, 2006):
“You shouldn’t experience much conversion with our consumer oriented Instant line products, unless you’re applying them straight into your armpits…”
MHarris (December 14, 2006):
"…I don’t think TAA is thought to convert to much of anything.
It’s mostly alpha-androstenol which is theorized to to convert to androstenone by way of a) oxidation (catalyzed by what on the skin? metals?), and b) coryneform bacteria on the skin. Much more more likely. (i.e., the bacteria would “eat” the Alpha Androstenol, and excrete the stinkier androstenone)
Our spray products have antibacterial elements compatible with that carrier. They might inhibit bacterial conversion, at least in the short run.
With the oil products, we don’t have the same antibacterial elements, but we do choose essential oils that are know to have antibacterial elements.
Honestly, I don’t see much of what I’d call “conversion” with our products. Even with Spaceland, an extremely HEAVY alpha-androstenol product that doesn’t contain our typical mix of antibacterial elements, I never find myself becoming an unlikable, edgy mass of androstenone (Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314) over time.
With something like A314, however, I’d say that the evidence is there that my body definitely reacts to create more of it’s own pheromones. My armpit odor get noticably heady when wearing it after a period of abstinence.
Something like that, may, in fact, be a substantial part of what many people have referred to as “conversion”. i.e., they wear something that their own body reacts to, making more their own pheromones in response."
MHarris (December 23, 2006):
“…It’s also very rare that properly treated androstenol converts to any significant degree. There’s very little conversion with Instant Openness, for instance, unless you spray it in area rich with corneyform bacteria (such as an armpit).”
Good post Visionary.
I also found that if you mix -none and Androstenol in a bottle, not only does -none diffuse better, but Androstenol sticks around longer.
This could be the reason people dont really get harsh build ups with MX products and Ammo sprays, as opposed to spraying both of them on the neck.
little bump here.
Interesting observation, Examine.
I like to layer Instant Openness over Turn Up The Heat, but after about 4 hours, I notice more aggression from those around me. Sometimes its good, others not so much.
So in theory, if one were to composite IO with TUTH, you would sort of stabilize them both.
I’ve used Spaceland with PI (which contains high amounts of -none) a few times. The effects are that it makes the girl really giggly and turned on. It’s an awesome mix, but the only problem is you have to make sure you’re not going anywhere else the rest of the day. I would use 1-1.5 drops of PI, cover with 1 spray of Spaceland (on the front of my neck) and 1 more spray of Spaceland on my chest.
It’s just awkward in any other situation other than when you’re somewhere private with a girl, simply because it causes out-of-the-ordinary reactions with some people.
I’ve been playing with Spaceland and The Edge Arouser for a few days. Because they both use the new age hippie EO, clary sage, they fit together like hand 'n glove (not too fond of clary sage…). I’ve used many combinations of -none and -Androstenol for the past 5 years and they’ve proved to be my old standby when it comes to horny dates and prowling at parties and happy hour. I can’t say it’s any better than using NPA/Instant Honesty or NPA/Scent of Eros as they’re all in the same ball park. That is, -none and -Androstenol work great as long as it’s quality pheromones.
With that said, last night I zapped my chest with a single spray of Spaceland and The Edge Arouser and asked my date to sniff my chest and a bottle of clary sage EO. I was expecting her to say “yeah that’s the same scent” but instead she threw me by suggesting an immediate “69” or “96.” So, yeah, this shit works.