A happy Hello from Germany 
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would shortly present myself to you..
I´m a 22 years old student which is a very very friendly guy but has problems with women I mean not really problems, girls like me. All girls like me when they know me (even 10s). But they like me as a friend and not more. They´re not atracted to me. And other women i don´t know i have problems to get in good contact with.
Until now these aspects gone better.
To support this and also make me maybe a liitle bit sexual atractive i found the pheromones.
I often go to discotheks and bars.
Hope you to find here some nice guys i could talk to and some who could
help me to find the right phermonones to try them out.
Heard of "shine… and “TUTH” Its hard to get this in germany so you have to order in the usa which is very expensive.
Hope to have here good conversations and some friends maybe
By the way am not bad looking 
Ps. Sry if there are some wrong written words
Hi Spike - Welcome to Pherotalk. 
Don’t worry about how you express yourself - There are folk from all points here and we all appreciate that English is not everyone’s first language.
OK, for starting out, the pheros you should probably be looking at are the socials and the more balanced none products - because you are a young guy who will still be producing a fair amount of none naturally and because women around your age tend to respond better to lower/more balanced amounts of none and because the socials are every bit as important at triggering the whole range of feelings that make for attraction.
IS - is an excellent choice that goes well with most products and gives a happy/feelgood air to your interactions. It goes particularly well with Ammo and IH - In fact Ammo/IS is one of the classic attraction mixes.
IO - Promotes flowing conversation, which helps you open with and get to know people.
IH - Promotes deeper more engaging/bonding conversation. Great for creating trust and getting closer to someone.
IG - Produces a light suave/status feel that impresses people that suits guys your age very well.
Ammo - Is a balanced mix of the three main pheros, none, nol and rone - Which gives an all round sexy/masculline/social feel that promotes attraction in all sotrs of situation. Ammo is quite suitable for wearing to work/college etc as well as when out socialising.
TUTH - This is a far more sexual product, more intended for people already in a sexual relationship. However it can be very useful in clubs and other low-inhibition/sexually charged situations, especially when moderated by IS or other pheros like IO or IH. Wearing it to work/class or in more restrained social situations can backfire as it is virtually all none and although its dose is the same as Ammo (2.5mcg per spray) it lacks any balance and can be taken as agressive/creepy or just too horny. Best save this one for the clubs or when you are very close to bed with someone.
This thread covers the basics of choosing and using pheros effectively - learn it well because you will need to do some work to find your effective dose, especially with the none-based products:
Lastly, delivery - Yes it is expensive but IME AD’s DHL service is by far the best of any US-based phero seller, other firms can take weeks and I have never been hit by EU customs charges on any order I’ve had from AD but the competition nearly always gets hit by them.
Wow… Spike18, you’ve gotten some SERIOUSLY good advice from Mobo… Thumbs up to mobo!!
Welcome to the mone forum, Spike! I wouldn’t worry so much on the written language, the thing is, that there are people from all over the world on this forum and English is our common communication bridge. In your case, you were able to clearly spell out your thoughts and what you want from mones. That’s PERFECT in my book!
Let me try this:
In Ihrem Fall erklärten Sie deutlich Ihre Gedanken, und was Sie von mones wollen.
Gut getan!
I also suggest you take a look at my sig below to get a better handle on mones. I suggest Google Translate if you have an issue with understanding. It does a fair job of translating English.
(Ich schlage Google Translate vor, wenn Sie ein Problem mit dem Verstehen haben. Es tut einen schönen Job, Englisch zu übersetzen)
Thanks for joining us here on the forum!
Thanks a lot! mobocaster! Made my first post directly after registration and directly got a great respond from you!! AWESOME!
Thanks for giving me a short explanation of the products.
I´m searching something for different situations,
like
- Discotheks / lot of people, warm, noisy
- Bar´s
- University
I think every of these situations need other pheros.
In the Discothek i think something like TUTH is great, because most you don´t directly to talk to someone. In Bars with some friends or other ladies its better to have some harmonic ones.
And in Univesity? Should i use there some?
For me the discothek situation and the daily univerasity situation are the most important ones because thats what happen over the weeb bzw. on the weekend.
So most of my situations…
So i have to find combiantions for that i think…^^ and not to expensive ones
OK Spike, my take on it is this:
1 - TUTH, steered with IS and maybe IO or IH
2 - Ammo, again with IS and either IO to help ease meeting people or IH to help get close. Personally, I favour a combination of IS/IH over IO but its what you find works best with your body chemistry/personality that matters.
It would also be worth considering starting a night out with Ammo/IS and adding-in some TUTH to increase the overtness/sexuality of your signature when you move from a more social bar environment into a more sexual Disco/club arena but do your sweet spot testing first so you know how much none you can handle.
3 - IG or even A314 if you are on a serious professional course. I would say A314 oil is best by far and most economic in the long run but the sprays are fine to try out/start-off with.
In Ihrem Fall erklärten Sie deutlich Ihre Gedanken, und was Sie von mones wollen.
Gut getan!
Thats great! The first sentence is absolutely correct!!! But i has to be “Gut gemacht” instead of " Gut getan"
we are posting to fast here Omg great Forum! Thanks for your help!! Will now think about the combinations i will buy and could buy because of the money as a student isn´t very much and if you ship to germany you also must add taxes and then will look arount the Forum here how to use them (sweep spot i think).
Ok, because the first 2 situations are the most important for me i made the following decision to buy what do you think.
- Turn Up The Heat
- Instant Openness" TO GO!
- Instant Honesty" TO GO!
- AMMUNITION
Thats about 106$ and will cost me with delivery and taxes about 110 Euro.
Lot of money for me hope it is it worth
Could you make a calculation on how long such boxes of phermo stay?
How long until you have to buy new ones?
I know it may depend on the usage but i mean / ca.
@mobocaster ( waht you mean with IS? cant find it?)
Someone knows some free gift cards or somethink like that i could use in the shop?
By the way everybody a happy new year tomorrow
Hi there, Spike! Mobo mentioned IS is IShine. He meant this one…
“Instant Shine” Feel Good Pheromone For Men :: Spray Pheromones :: Androtics Direct (Instant Shine Spray — Mood Enhancing Pheromone For Men - Alpha A314)
However, the products can be ordered in 5 ml TOGO, or 30 ml bottles. The 5ml will give you approximately 40 sprays. The 30 ml bottles, @ 200. So, it really depends on how many you spray and how often, as you say.
My IShine, as an example, 30 ml, lasts me about 4 months. Though I really love the stuff and use it almost daily!
If you don’t use them, they will last, in a cool, dark place for storage, for years… that is, if you don’t finish them up first!
Yes - IS is Instant Shine and if you can afford it, I would strongly suggest you go for a 30ml instead of a togo. This is a superb mix that gives great lift to social situations with all sorts of phero mixes and helps offset some of the potential negative effects of none around guys/younger women.
Its only disadvantage is that the current version is not as long lasting as other pheros and you will be probably be looking to topup every three hours or so as opposed to around six hours for other alcohol-based pheros, so you can end-up using it more.
ok but 5x40 = 200$ for all in 30ml i think… thats to much for me… think that i have to pay taxes and shipping alone costs +20… thats the problem when you life outside of the usa ^^
@moboaster sry but i don´t understand that sentece “This is a superb mix that gives great lift to social situations with all sorts of phero mixes and helps offset some of the potential negative effects of none around guys/younger women” could you pls try to explain it to me with other words? especially the end “potential negative effects of none around guys/younger women”… –> I´m young to i think ^^
Could not more than thank you on every post THANKS for your time!
Have you called up Steve at the Androtics support line? You could also Skype him, I think… It is WELL worth the effort to get some help over the phone…
no i don´t already… but i will but i love Forums and the communication here, because you can come back and read it again
So you think the non plus ultra for clubbing is TUTH , steered with IS and maybe IO or IH?
Sry for asking again and when go clubbing, take it before going or when i´m in the club? when to use it? how long does it work?
Now i have to talk to the shop owners because of payment option (have no credit card) and shipping declarations..someoneshould open a reseller store in germany ^^ think he would make a lot of money!^^
What I’m trying to say is that the happy and good to be around feelings induced by IS work hand in hand with many other pheros, helping to make them more effective.
None can have some negative aspects - especially in younger people. Mostly they are not that nasty and people will just avoid or “Ghost” you bur sometimes guys can become more aggressive or competitive and high doses can trigger stand-offs or even fights. Younger women are also more sensitive to none and too much/too overt none can make them uncomfortable or trigger a range of feelings that do not help promote attraction. This changes as they age and by the time they hit their mid twenties, thirties etc, they will be comfortable with a higher/more overt dose and you will have fewer problems. Some (at any age) are also very sensitive to its smell and will find it unpleasant, no matter how well you cover it. You just have to live with that one!
This is why it is good to use the socials to reduce the risk and it is very important to find your sweet spot with none for the different types of situation (work, bar/social, clubbing etc) so you don’t have to deal with so many of these problems - It takes a bit of time but you will learn a lot by doing so.
From my experience of German clubs, I would say TUTH is good. However, it also depends on the club and the ages/personalities of the people you are with. Sometimes a more social signature will help, other times, a strong sexual presence is exactly what you need.
Best way to use the pheros is to apply the around half an hour before you go out/meet-up. This gives the carrier scent time to settle down and lets the pheros fix themselves on your skin.
Sometimes you can’t of course and particularly when going from pub to club, I will start the night with a basic social/sexual mix but carry a togo of TUTH and nip off to apply some once I get there. Again, time and experience will help you judge when.
Duration - Most alcohol based pheros will last around six hours, maybe dropping to four hours in very hot/humid environments. The exception is Instant Shine, which fades sooner, maybe three to four hours.
thanks again, your experience with german clubs what should that mean? irnony ok, i will try to get something to german if its possible and makeable with my money ^^ realise that its an expensive hobby
No aksed in the clubs because its most of the time very warm and some day you could sweat a little bit even when you dance..i think this makes the pheromons more less^^
so when i have them i have to find the s point right? where to put the pheros onto my body and how much? But how could i see if its a good concentration or i should use more? So say at a discothek how to realise that it has a reaction? Some points to look at?
For physical application of mones, on a patch of skin or in your hair. I like the neck for those dancing close to you or tops of hands, if you’re moving about…
I like to apply on my hair because of duration and distance that it can help carry them, though, I don’t use -none products such as AMMO or TUTH in my hair…
The sweet spot is about the AMOUNT of Sprays/Drops/Mones that will give you the desired effect… Not a physical location on your body…
ok, then i have to find that AMOUNT when i have it, thanks!
another question before ordering like i mentioned some posts ago what i want to order,
some of the products have different concentrations i could choose from.
which one should i use –> for my usage?
Err, I’ve been to more than a few German clubs in my time! I worked a year in Berlin once and I know Bremen, Koln, Frankfurt and a few other places reasonably well as I go back whenever I can - which should be more often again soon as budget flights to Frankfurt have just started from my local Airport. Can’t wait for my damaged foot to be fixed!
I also keep in touch with a moderately well known German rock band whom I got to know in my Berlin days and occasionally do some work for them that helps enable some pretty wild weekends there!
Yes, a hot sweaty club makes the pheros work better and it is just the environment where you can carry-off a higher-none mix but the downside is that the pheros are used-up faster and exposure to sweat speeds-up the breakdown to smelly byproducts.
The “sweet spot” is the dose that works best for you in any particular situation. You need to do the testing to find it, we can’t tell you.
However, for application points, this thread says it all:
ok thanks a lot for your help,
now i wait for the support to answer to my ticket because of shipping and declarations and then in the new year i will give that all a try in the german clubs
Anything i should read before use it or is nessesary to know? Little bit scared, because a lot of people wrote about violence and gression of other guys hihi i´m not that fighting guy
Wish you all a happy new year! Already love this forum!