my name is will, my friends and family call me wayway. i am 20 years old… (geez how fast time flies…). i am a guy that’s absolutely SICK of hearing “i really like you but i don’t want to ruin our friendship” for the 5th time this year. seriously FIFTH TIME. maybe i’m better off not becoming more then friends with girls from now on… or maybe there’s a solution to these girls that are so worried about “destroyed friendships” but have no problem dating assholes. maybe it’s just ohio? either way this year’s string of 5 failed attempts at a relationships has me pretty discouraged and my confidence is quite shattered.
so i did some research on pheromones. my friend purchased pherlure. i was very skeptical on synthetic pheromones… but after saying that he’s been getting more EC and conversations i began to wonder. and now he’s with “the girl of his dreams”. while he’s the nicest and most sincere person you’ll probably ever meet, he’s not that great of a looker and is overweight. but he got a girlfriend only after a few weeks of using pherlure. he’s still happily with her as i speak right now and it’s been half a year.
so curious, i went out and purchased pherlure myself. sprayed it on and was instantly very dissatisfied with the scent… it smelled like urine… so i added my own favorite cologne to the spots where i did not spray the pherlure. after a while i got used to the scent but i still used my favorite cologne to “cover” the urine scent. well i wanted to test out the effects it would have on other people. i got an opportunity to hang out with one of my ex’s… as we are on good terms now and go to the same college. she smiled more then usual, was more talkative, and i received more EC. I was pretty happy with the results but noticed that pherlure ONLY affected people i knew - such as friends. i would get a little more respect (not that i was ever disrespected or anything) and more conversations and smiles from both male and female friends. but… just friends…
well im not too satisfied with just my “circle”. im still not very confident in striking conversations with other’s i don’t know. but most importantly i hate hearing “dont want to ruin our friendship”. infact i never want to hear that ever again. i really need a boost in my self confidence and assurance in those around me - girls that are friends. i still have a certain something for me ex… but at the same time i just want to move on and meet new people.
any suggestions?
oh by the way im asian, which is an absolute rarity in my part of Ohio. lol. definitely makes me stand out in a crowd
and i apologize for the lack of proper grammar, its 4am and im very tired
Welcome to the forum wayway! Many people here have purchased Pherlure as a first product. I have heard of a few success stories from people who have used it. The pheromone molecule that Pherlure claims to contain does not exist. If you search the forum you will find many links to this and testimonials to it’s placebo effect. Read the stickies at the top of the mens forum and you will gain some insight into what products might be best for you. “I really like you but I don’t want to ruin our friendship” translates to “I do not feel attraction for you”. Try reading David DeAngelo’s ‘Double Your Dating’ It will open a new way of looking at relationships and women for you. This knowledge used along with some good smartmones products will help turn your love life 180 degrees. Have fun with what you learn. DrZorters
It is also probably necessary to communicate your romantic interests up front. The “friend zone” is not a good place to be.
When I first met my wife she said something like “I just want to be friends.” I let her know immediately that I already had enough friends. That stunned her into silence.
Actually, you can probably never have enough friends, but having women string you along with a continual sexual undercurrent can become unpleasant for a guy. The “friend zone” is not really a very friendly place to be.
There’s a lot of discussion of this on the forum. You may get some advice from the “pick-up artists.” Even if you don’t want to adopt that lifestyle it’s worth listening to what they have to say about “friends.”
you’ve come to the right place. Zorters is on the mark when he suggests starting by reading some of David DeAngelo’s material. You might also want to read ‘Influence’ by Robert Cialdini and some evolutionary psychology.
on the pheromone front, I would start with Ammo and then add Instant Openness and Shine. but bear in mind that you will get the biggest benefits from pheromones by using them to enhance efforts you are making to grow on other fronts - they are tools for social learning.
over and beyond the above, work on your voice, body language and body awareness. if you do a search you should find lots here and elsewhere on theses topics.
Phuck the friend zone man. Use pheros and read up on those books PheroQuirk posted and you will be fine. Most important thing to always remember reguardless of what you read, is always be yourself. Take care
Well, I’m gonna chime in too. When I started reading your letter, I also intended to steer you toward David D. But, I got beat to the punch several times over. Excellent material! Gone With The Wind’s statement about what he told his wife when they first met is exactly what David D. would have recommended saying, and I think he uses about the exact words in one of his e-books.
As to pheromones, start out with Ammunition and Instant Shine. The Ammunition will help get female attention, and the Instant Shine will help make you feel more confident, and also will make those around you feel good too.
hey thanks guys for replying. also, im a noob at forums. so bare with me!
i’ve been reading the material from the links i was given, very helpful. though unfortunately the ebooks costs money and looked like typical scam sites… ive had a very bad experience with scam so i’ll probably just stick with forums and small articles here and there.
in response to drzorters:
i wasnt aware the pherlure was completely fake… are you sure of this? maybe i should sell whatever’s left of it on ebay (actually a good 90%) and buy some real phero. i know you guys suggested Ammo and IS. what about Magic?
in response to gone with the wind:
the last time i told a girl i was sick of just being friends DID stun her… infact that night we made out.. but as the week progressed her attraction to me decreased. a week later she said she didn’t want to be more then friends, so she left and hung out with another guy. i think theyre dating now? wtf. what went wrong???
thank you pheroquirk for very helpful and interesting links!
in response to** z414a4d :
***“Phuck the friend zone man.”
*seriously… between attempts at relationships my friends and i have been through over the years, that phrase is definitely overused.
in response to mark-in-dollas:
what would you say would be the perfect single bottle of phero for a low budget college student like me who wants to get more attention, more self confidence and more attraction from girls that are either strangers or already friends? im looking for just one great starter product (if there is any). if not then what is the best product to start with, and what products do you suggest i follow with?
After reading some of The Mystery Method by Mystery himself, it seems that its too late to get yourself out of the friendship zone. Your best bet is to move on to some new chicks and get outside that circle rather than playing on it. Also I’d use the pheromones as a helping hand and give u an edge on developing ur skill.
Perhaps you backslid to being a “nice” manipulative guy.
Perhaps you two weren’t very good together.
Sometimes moving on is not a bad thing.
Being genuine and straightforward will get you a long way. You don’t always want to succeed . Success at the right time and with the right person is important.
God, that’s a hard decision. Ammo helps generate female attention, the Instant Shine make you feel more confident and good about yourself, and affect those around you the same way.
It’s kind of up to you to decide what direction you want to go with pheromones. If you can afford it though, I would recommend getting a to-go bottle of each one. The $15.00 GC will also help.
Maybe you can get a buddy, or a couple of buddies on campus to go in together and pick up several products to share among yourselves. I know that when I was in school if one of my friends asked if I wanted to chip in some money for a product that could help get me more female attention, I would have done so.
once she knew she could have you your value dropped. maybe you need to remain more of a challenge in the early stages. look here and also google ‘fractionation’ and being the prize. caveat that when you first start experimenting with this behaviour it’s easy to overdo it and become obnoxious and/or inauthentic. but the only way to learn is to do.
if you want her or just are curious, try inviting her to some event where you can go flirt with other girls in front of her (without seeking a reaction from her). it’s mean, but funny how humans are wired.
I would have to disagree with PheroQuirk but then again my game is Direct and I let my intentions be known up front. I really think you are focusing too much on the outcome of the situation and are really just trying too hard. When I say you are trying too hard I am not trying to put you down rather trying to make you look at things from a different perspective. I went through a very similar situation about 10 years ago. Yes I went through MM, David Deangelo and, many others to find out what type of game worked best for me. I even tried Pheromones from many different companies to only find really just 1 that has met my standards for quality products.(Smartmones) Through all of that I learned that the hardest person to turn into a lover is a established friend. I would have to agree that David Deagelo is probably your best bet for confidence however…I do not totally agree with all of his methods. Mystery Method is garbage to me…relying on peacocking and some made up stories to get what you want is not my thing.(hey its my opinion and I am entitled to it) Maybe it has a lot to do with my whole mindset of being honest and direct. A book I recommend for the confident man after he has taken the tour of David Deagelo is a book called Mode One by Allan Roger Currie. Gone with the wind was a perfect example of being direct with his now wife but probably in a mode 2 mindset at first but nevertheless was being honest and direct with what he was feeling. As far as Pheromones go…they are only going to amplify what you already have. Your best bet would be in my opinion would be Instant Shine and Ammunition for starters. You have any questions you can PM me and I will answer your questions to the best of my abilities or direct you to someone who can.
The thing is everyone of us can tell you, until we are blue in the face and you’re sick of hearing it, try this method or that method. The key here is to go out and try them and see which one works best for you.
I do disagree with Tama1981K that the Mystery method is made up stories and peacocking. It’s sounds as if you read a review somewhere and base it on that rather than what it actually is. Foundation is solid and gives the user structured outlines. Anyone that uses made up stories while using it is a fool to begin with.
The whole point though is we all have opinions and you have to go out and try and see which method works for you.
No I did not just read a review…I have the E-book and have read it more than once. Yes I do agree it is great for confidence building but the reason for my comment relys on the fact that you have to use something to garner attention or “peacocking” as he calls it in the Venusian Arts handbook.(ref p.25 Venusian Arts handbook). As far as the comment about stories goes…for building confidence in approaches he uses canned material and story building (ref p.78 Venusian Arts handbook). I will rescind my comment that the book is garbage as a tool in someones handbag..especially someone just getting into the game. However…I feel that the art as a whole is allowing yourself to make a somewhat false identity. Over time…if the made identity is not kept up with..she will in my opinion see right through it. This is just my opinion..and in no way is meant as an attack on you SteveO. You are by far one of the coolest guys I have come across on this board.(Tate too) I just am a hardcore Direct Honest method guy and yes I will admit I was pushing it on to him. I definitely agree with this statement " The whole point though is we all have opinions and you have to go out and try and see which method works for you."
Oh I’m not taking it as an attack at all. I hope you didn’t take mine as an attack against you, cause it wasn’t meant that way either.
You make valid points, but I just wanted to point out that Mystery also clearly says it in the book that canned material should be used as a benchmark, but not as a continual pattern to keep up. It’s really a good outline of things, that for me, offered me the necessary structure to understand where I am in a sarge. I used 1 caned routine once and then it was all me and my lair.
It’s good that we have differing opinions, because we learn off each other. Right now I’m into Zan though, as TMM is “old,”
