I’m Joona. I’am 21 and from finland. I’m 6’3 or 191cm tall and thin (skinny?).
Hope you understand my english.. it’s not the best
At the moment i’m not doing nothing but hope next year i can start studying engineering..
When i was 15 years i bought this expensive shit call Pheromone Fragrance Twilight.. i try it many times at school and every time it worked same way. I got unbelievable agression from girls, i didnt have to do anything else than sit in the class room and they were like ready to slaughter me.
I guess i and the girls were too young and pheromone was intended to older mans.
I have always been that quiet guy, mostly because i’m very shy. I’m a bit ADHD too but rarely show that side of me to anyone
I have had this feeling that single ladys are not much intrested in me. They mostly are rude or just don’t care a less about me when i trying to chat with them. But ladys who are in relationship share a lot of eye contact with me, should i say we stare each others long time when there is a lot of people around us.
All that can be my imagination or i just pick up wrong girls. But our culture and people are so different (unique) than in uk or u.s or anywhere. We are shy, quiet (except when drunk ), we don’t have this “small talk” we only speak when we have something to say etc etc. But we have a lot of hot chicks.
What you recomended for bar/club or just random place? I try to hitting woman age 18-25 maybe even over 25 if she is hot.
should i start with Ammo, IO, IH and other instat product?
Right now i’m pretty poor so i have money for 1 or max 2 product.
If you have questions please ask. I still have a lot of things to tell and a lot of things to ask.
I’m looking forward to share experiences with you.
Don’t know that pheromone cologne you used in your teens, but sounds like you were ODing massively on androstenone Teenagers don’t respond well to this kind of products, because your hormones are already in overdrive during puberty. Stay away from something like TUTH for the moment would be my advice; this can make other people aggressive around you. Especially when you’re shy and thus not congruent with the pheromones.
For bars and daytime use an Ammo + Instant Shine mix is a classic good start. This was one of the first mixes I started with a couple of months ago. I live in Europe too and have the same target group. College girls respond very well to this mix. You’ll see possibilities arising, but you’ll have to use some game ofcourse to make it work best.
IO is also a good one since you’re shy. Alphanol helps you open people up, very good for small talk.
Good luck and have fun with the mones! Let us know if you have more questions.
I agree that TUTH probably not my product right now. It was really confusing/scary to see how people turn very aggressive and around 1-2 hour later they behave normal like nothing ever happened.
What version of Ammo u recommend? there is like 3 different.. and streght?
And how long one of those normar size bottle last? and TO GO bottle?
Do they have very strong smell? i have used to AXE/Rexona
Should i dress some axe/rexona on armpits? i sweat easy and start to stink like meatballs
And should i spray it to neck? you know i’m tall guy.. if they can’t smell it.
I can recommend both the regular Ammo (on my second bottle now) and the summer edition. Never tried the world edition, but only the scent is different. The regular Ammo scent is awesome. Young, fresh, and the diffusion is great. It was modelled after a very expensive cologne named Creed’s Green Irish Tweed - look it up. The summer edition has two extra mones in it, TAA and P130. They soften down the Ammo vibe a bit, but not that much in my experience.
A normal bottle will last you about 200 sprays. Say u use 2 sprays -a good dose your age I think - for 5 days a week, it’ll last you 40 weeks. If you don’t use it that much it will last you longer ofcourse. To-go’s are only 40 sprays.
Regular Ammo scent is definitely strong, but I like it a lot! I usually pair it with Instant Shine. SE scent is a bit sweeter.
Yes you can spray your armpits with some AXE/Rexona if the scents don’t clash. Don’t use the same application points though because this fucks up the diffusion of the mones.
Yes the neck is one of the best places to spray the mones in my experience. You generally need to spray it on your skin that is ‘in the open’ in order for the mones to diffuse properly. Ammo will do it’s job there, even if you’re tall. There is a nice thread on application points on the forum. Look it up. Also important to know that the mones still work, even if you can’t consciously smell them!
Do Pheromones change my own behave? Like spraying IS, should i feel myself like shine guy?
I read those who telling how they got self-confidence or chatty feeling after spray.. is that because they smell that Pheromones coming from them self?
Pheros can have marked self effects, yes but this differs widely between individuals, some get them very strongly and others very little. You can also get used to them very quickly if you use that phero a lot - IS is one of the worst for this. I would strongly suggest that you don’t choose pheros for potential self effects - rather, look on them as a pleasant bonus if you do get them.
I agree that Twilight sounds like an Androstenone OD to me - The responses are just what you might expect from young women around a young guy wearing the stuff. Now you are 21 and if you have any left, it might be a different matter - A woman gets used to more overt/stronger none as she ages and as you leave puberty in the past, you produce less of it, so it becomes much easier to wear. I would still leave it (or TUTH) for the clubs/raunchy places though rather than work/college but maybe moderate it with something social and pleasant like IO and IS.
Oh and I do know Finnish clubs - I worked in Helsinki and Jyv?skyl? when I was in my twenties and I must say that had a whale of a time. Finnish girls were an eye-opener to this lad from the bleak coast of Scotland! :o
For more general wear, Ammo is indeed a good choice and IO is good to help promote a more social and approachable vibe. IH is better for getting to know/get close to someone and I prefer the IH/IS combo for its more mature conversation vibe. Put bluntly - IS is one of the most useful and widely wearable pheros sold here and it goes well with so many products!
As for ideas on places to spray - Check the application points sticky in Mens. Lots of good ideas thare but watch what else you use alongside your pheros because many antiperspirants contain Triclosan or other antibacterials that can be very damaging to pheros. A good crystal deodorant is my suggestion. Also, you may find you actually sweat less when wearing certain pheros - its another useful self effect trait. Also remember that some girls do actually find a little bit of sweat very attractive - clean “healthy” sweat, not the unwashed stink of course.
First i’m glad to hear you had fun here welcome back anytime!
Do all this Pheromones exist in human body naturaly? If i’m spray some of the instant product and start to feel strong self effects could that mean that i’m not produce that specific phero much? because i havent used to that phero..
It would be nice to see if that’s the reason why young people feel uncomfortable talk with me.
I have always been better with older people. like over 40.
Btw i still have that Twilight bottle, i smell it yesterday and i could not stop smelling it until got headache. Strange was that i didnt got any horny feelings in my head but physically it was like package of viagra.. is that caused by Androstenone?
That could well be a reaction to Androstenone, yes. I don’t know Twilight but many of its ilk are pretty basic Androstenone-based stuff and there can be a range of reactions, incl getting horny, feeling cocky or aggressive.
Yes, your natural phero signature is wide and varied - Its still a developing science and although we know the basic compounds, new pheros and phero-like substances are being identified all the time. All with different properties/effects and purposes. Most pheros are found in humans but a very few are ported-over from the animal world. Meo-Est is probably the most well known one of these but it is not currently on the AD product roster and the pheros sold here are all synthetic equivalents to natural pheros, which avoids a lot of the old dubiousness of some suppliers.
So beyond very general age-related balances, your own output can vary a lot and your health and fitness also influences this. So it can take a bit of time, trial and error to to identify the phero products that complement your own output best.
Thanks that gave answer for many question
I guess killer kit is good to start with?
i’m a bit confused when reading how people get phonenumbers and get pulled aside by girls etc.. Is this normal behavior in your country/cultur?
If that would happen to me that random girl want to give her number or take my hand and pulled me aside to have a chat with me i would say that’s a miracle. Cause That would be so odd behave from finnish girl.
But i would really love that
I still got one problem. Problem is i’m not really chatty person. Actually i rarely have anything to say to anyone. It’s just annoying if someone trying to have dialog with me but i feel my head is totally empty of words and can’t say anything beside like, yeah, sure, ok.
i have wondering lately that how the hell i have even friends
When we go bar or just having good times i can be quiet whole damn day/evening without saing a word in 9 hours. I’m shy but it’s not that.
You know at home alone i’m super chatty.. i can talk hours to my self and be very hyperactive animal like some jim carry movie.
I would like to be like american or english man and be able to have long conversations and small talks.
Can i practice it somehow? Any advice right now would be great!
Just talk about random stuff that happened during the week… You must have something going in your life right? Talk about passions, hobby’s, your ambitions… girls always love that. With male friends: talk about mutual passions. Music, football, women… it’s easy really.
If necessary brainstorm for 10 minutes before going out and write down every topic you can think of. Quantity of topics > quality. What did you do during the week? What has friend A been up to lately? What about that hobby of friend B? Ask them… Bring the ‘cheat sheet’ with you in your back pocket and check it if necessary. I do this too sometimes, but then for routines I wanna try on girls.
Use some IO from your killer kit and I’m SURE conversation will flow smoothly.
I receive my killer kit today. Got molecule c and a couple yummy cookie as well.
I open the package and took the paper inside and it’s smell fantastic. Bubble wrap moneys were wrapped smelled like very very expensive shower soap or something like that.
I start to sniffing products and some of them didnt smell much nothing or just a little bit, it could be because i didnt remove tape around togo bottles.
All the products has unique scent and i got really strange feeling that i have smell something similar before, maybe in my childhood.
IH and IO particularly had this very strong scent and i wonder what was it, i mean its really strong and maybe a bit feminine.
IG gave very warm vibe and i like it a lot
After that i went to watch tv and felt very relax. My voice went very deep, much deeper than drinking whisky, i sound like old man.
After 10min i saw my reflection in mirror and notice i had this “pepsodent smile” on my face. Not long after that i start to laught and could not stop it and it really hurt to my cheeks.
Half hour later i saw my mom and i could not stop talking, it was weird and all the words come automaticly without thinking them..
I open up AMMO and IO bottles and notice that AMMO had very light scent, i was have to take deep sniff to recognize the scent.
I spray 1 spary to my neck and didn’t smell scent at all.
But then 1 spray IO to wrist and I could not fail to notice very powerfull scent it has and still after 8 hours it’s smells strongly. And it’s scent definitely is unisex.
Ammo should definitely have a super strong smell. If not send it back… Recently read about another user that reported getting a scentless Ammo. With FF21 is hits so much harder; essential part of the formula in my opinion.
Hope you get to test your mones at a nice party tonight. Happy new year!
Do scentless mones smell anything? The bottle has mild scent i cant descripe it but it’s far from super strong scent. More like old military soap, smell of clean like somewhere hospital
Bottle was “gooey” all around so it has leaked some..
:o