Hi- Here to find out the truth ;~)

A bit about myself
Hi, I’m a 26 male living in California. I’m act extremely different around close friends and strangers. I’m very warm, silly, and approachable around friends, but cold, distant and professional around strangers. I find it very hard for myself to act vice versa. It’s also hard for me to have acquaintances… I’m an all or nothing kind of person. Sometimes I’ve been called cliquey.

Why I’m here
I want to know if Pheromones really work. The few articles I were able to find from scientific journals are inconclusive. One said they had no effect, another said they had some effect, and yet another said they had an effect, but on something biological not social. Given the obvious marketing and commercial interest ties with the rest of the information, it’s pretty hard to judge anything about it.

Pheromones are a bit like the specialized nutritional and body-building supplement companies-- they both can make a lot of money from the desperate hopes and loneliness of their consumers, they both have flagship websites that attempts to offer information paired along with a consumer community (e.g. bodybuilding.com). The big difference between pheromones and sports nutritional supplements is that the former is much more difficult to study than the latter. The nature of the product requires an experimental setting, which works fine when you’re measuring something like how many extra pounds are you able to benchpress. But when the dependent variable is something social, it’s hard to design an experiment up to the same kind of ecological conditioning of real social environments.

Because of the above, I’m willing to forgive the “mainstream-truth” test for pheromones. The basic line of thought is that if a product was indeed effective, then everyone would talking about it. We live in a highly-connected society and the diffusion of innovation, information, and attitudes happens lightning quick. I’ve always known what pheromones were, but I never heard anything on its effectiveness until I saw an ad and decided to google around and do some research on it.

So far the results on this forum are overwhelmingly positive, with very few exceptions. I don’t know if it’s a real effect, or the effect of very clever moderation and marketing, or a bit of both.

There is also a difference between asking “does it work?” and “does it work for me?” An experiment with random sampling of subjects may give a representative picture, but our social networks are anything but representative. People tend to make friends that share similar interests, values, and have similar social status (etc), which makes their social environments very unrepresentative. But at the same time, that unrepresentative picture is all that really matters to them… no one lives in a representative world. That is why forum communities are important-- to see how it works for what kind of people, and it’s also important to just try the thing for yourself (which is why I’m making this post here to get the GC).

What I hope Pheromones will do for me
I used to do the bar and club scene, but I’ve been anti-social for the past year or so due to heavy academic work. But I’m interested in getting that social life back for my final year in school. Los Angeles has a very competitive, harsh, nightlife environment, so if pheromones really worked, that would be one more tool in the toolkit.

I know a little bit about all the cognitive biases we have, and I’m a researcher by trade (though my research topic has nothing to do with pheromones or nutritional supplements), so I’ll probably be among the hardest of evaluators for pheromones. If they really change social interaction, I would have found on a personal level, something to use for myself, and on a career level, a link between something biological and social. So far the closest things out there are probably allostatic load and cortisol, and they’re not even really of social interest, but rather demographic (in the study of mortality and ageing).

Hi there,

Welcome to the forum.

It is very normal to be sceptical. I was sceptical until I used it myself. You can be rest assure about this website. Androtics is a legit site selling genuine pheromones.

For clubbing scene, try Ammo. It can make girls attracted to you. It has a mild sexual attraction too. For stronger sexual attraction, try TUTH. It can sexually arouse women. It is best used on women you have developed closeness.

For beginner, I would also recommend IO. It can make people want to talk to you. Try it and you will see the effect of pheromone.

Cheers

Hey Bluegreenblue!
I totally understand your skepticism, there is a ton of info on pheros out there, and it can be quite overwhelming.
So you’re willing to do the guinea pig then? Curiosity was a big factor in my desire to try pheros, and so far I can tell you this: they do have an effect. I have noticed self effects and effect on other but it is quite difficult for me to stear it in the right direction. Dosage, testing, readin and patience are important, I don’t think you can find the right ‘formulas’ for you right away.
There is a good compilation of research and studies on pheros in a particular section of this forum if you’re interested!
Welcome to the forum!

Hello and welcome to the forum.

Yes they really work - but they do take some work to find out exactly which are the best ones for you and dosages as everyone is a little different.

If you have trouble with strangers I would try the social products first. Too much none could potentially scare people away if you already seem distant.

IO - can help you with initial ocnversations
IH - can help generate feelings of connection
Ishane can help people feel happy around you.

Also consider Instant Gentleman which can give you a warm, cool smooth vibe which could also help with strangers.

welcome to the forum, by the way, great and detailed intro.

Hello Welcome to Pherotalk :slight_smile:

Sorry I am late it was my birthday and I played hookie, Dont tell Steve and Jasmin LOL

Its healthy and totally expected to be skeptical when it comes to mones. I can tell you they work but you wont believe it till you see it yourself. Just know what to expect because alot of people have really high expectations because of cheesy advertising and it makes it harder to see what they are doing for you.

Read “what mones can do and what they cant do” the link is below in my signature.

That being said… I think you should start with to-go size in the basic 3. AMMO, IO and Ishine. See what you think and if you like them then think about investing more on bigger bottles. Be sure to ask for help when using them, that what I am here for. It takes a little exploration on dosage and application to get it right.

Have fun

Your GC is on its way Tisha

Thanks for the responses and GC.

I’ve read that applying the pheromones on clothes is a waste and that you should apply the pheromones on skin. This makes sense because that’s how you do cologne. However I’ve stumbled upon this rather well-written guide:
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… which makes a strong argument for putting it on clothes and not on your body.

Which one is right?

Edit: I just got the ammo and instant shine to go. It fit nicely under the GC.

Oh and thanks for the comment about the smaller sizes, I was looking for something along those lines to try it out for the first time. Also-- happy birthday (I had mine last week).

We are right, :smiley:

First, If they dont want it on your skin its because there is something in it toxic or potentially dangerous.

More then 3/4 of the Ebay sellers (of mones) have weak ineffective shady products. They could pee in a bottle and sell it to you and be gone the next day so you would have no recourse. Most of them are affiliate sellers and have no ideal what they are selling though. The product you have shown in your link (which as moderator I will remove shortly) has mones from china (animals mones not human) which is why they suggest putting it on cloths.

Your skin is a natural diffuser, Its made to release the mones into the atmosphere. You get much better range with skin applications as opposed to cloth .

Cloth is absorbent, It will hold the molecules cutting down on diffusion and sillage. Making mones much less effective.

We suggest skin but if your covered up due to winter, then you can spray to your cloths. Just dont expect the same effect.

Keep in mind you will need to wash your cloths with oxyclean to get certain mones out of the fabric.

Tisha