A lot of the regular pheromones have plenty of reviews and are pretty straight forward. This is true. But it’s when you get to the experimones that there isn’t as much to go on at the actual androtics site. Like TAF $1000!!! HOLY MOLY! That should rename it TAYOURBROKE! What’s in that stuff?! The worlds next super drug! That must be amazing like none other?! O.o …
But I digress… the confusing thing is all these nomes have very little in the way of reviews most of the time. But what’s more… they sound so similar in name. Androstenol, AndrosteRone, Androstenone! And then there is Alpha and Beta! Does that mean different intensities or completely different types of pheromones/results? And Rone verse none. What’s going on here? What’s doing what? head spinning
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I know. I know. There are answers out there. But my question is simple… I have IO and IH and TUTH and IS and A314 and IJ and all that. If I had to add one (regardless of the reason) what would you personally suggest? This is open to everyone. I’d just love to have your reasoning behind it. Maybe one of those is a great enhancer to something I already have and you think it’s best. Or maybe it compliments some of them best in your mind or maybe it fills the gap as far as an effect not already part of my arsenal. Or maybe you just love one of those to death! Who knows!
I’m just curious to see what effects people who have used these have experienced and which they’d recommend the most because I’m going to probably try to get one next time I order just for the heck and fun of it but I’m not sure which. I’m a noob so any help is super welcome and from what I’ve seen there are some definite pheromone geniuses that lurk these sites. (I mean that in a good way, of course!)
Thanks again everyone! Sorry to bug you all with my lame questions, but a newbie’s gotta try. (Anyone out there tried Estratetraenol btw?)
You have IO, Alpha-Androstenol. IH, Beta-Androstenol, TUTH Androstenone, IS TAA, IJ, almost pure none… A314 Androsterone.
Those are the main or base ingredients for those products. They are mixed with a few "steering"molecules that steer them in the direction that the product is designed for. IO for chatter, IH for deeper conversations etc.
What is your understanding of the instant line. I’ve been in this a year. I have most of the expirmones and a lot of P’s and MX’s. To this day, after a lot of time spent I find it difficult to see some things with the experimones. It takes a very keen eye, and a lot of experience to work with these, otherwise they can be a waste of money in that you’re not utilizing them properly.
If you’re not prepared to buy a bottle of something and test it solo by starting with just one spray, then adding another each day until results level off just so you can truly understand what its doing, then you’re not really ready for them. They won’t serve you any true purpose.
The instant line is fan-fucking-tastic. Excuse my french, but damn that line works and no reason to really venture outside of it unless you are truly wanting to experiment as a hobbyist. The instant line does anything and everything you’d need for it to do.
Wow! Awesome input! Extremely helpful! Thank you, kind sir! Thanks for all the info! So TAA is basically like IS on steroids (In a manner of speaking)!? The few reviews I did see for TAA made it sound like super happy laughing gas or something. lol! Now knowing that it’s practically straight instant shine (which is my favorite product on the instant line by far) I’d have to say that I might even get that instead. It’s very tempting.
But yes, I am interested in experimenting. Also possibly mixing it with cologne and so forth to create my own “special mixes.” Seems like as fun a hobby as any (although maybe a tad expensive). The putitives, though, really seem like fun.
One question, though, being as you seem to have tried quite a few… did you ever get the chance to try spaceland? That is the one that I regret not finding this site sooner for because I’ve read so many fascinating things about it’s effects. I want to try it! But being that it is no longer made, I’m not sure if there is anything out there like it or if I could duplicate it with the right combination. It says that it is “50mcg/spray of mostly (alpha) androstenol, and small amount of a special co-factor.”
So my thought is that if I was to get the Alpha-Androstenol experimone at that 50mcg/spray level I might get a similar effect. Does anybody have thoughts or experience with this? I’m guessing that you’d probably need a little something else to combo with it to give you the co-factor. Maybe 95% Alpha A, 5% TAA? Or does the combined effect sound more like Alpha A mixed with a putative? Anybody have any experience with a 50mcg/spray of Alpha A by itself?
Lol… I know… I’m trying too hard. But hey! It’s one of the biggest things that caught by attention even way back when I first heard about it and ran across such posts. shrugs Thoughts anyone? Hehehe… THE SEARCH CONTINUES!
If you are thinking on working with TAA, do remember that despite its slightly greater effectiveness, it is far shorter acting - Typically about one hour per application. The beauty of the IS formula is that it prolongs the TAA activity to about three hours.
So if you are planning any mixes, keep this in mind and layer IS/TAA apart from any other pheros to avoid OD issues when topping-up. Even three hours is shorter acting than most other pheros.
In fact you should search-out layering, it is probably a better way of handling the alc-based pheros, at least till you get the hang of mixing and dosage.
If you are interested in the Androstenols, do as Gent suggests and have a good try with IO/IH, esp the 2x versions - That can produce interesting and quite giddy-making results (beta androstenol was my “first” phero! )
Never tried Spaceland but IIRC, the herbal substance clary sage was another constituent.
And if you see a $999.99 price on any product in the store, it means it is out of stock or is running low and its sale is now restricted to Reporting Users. When/if it gets restocked, the price will click back to normal.
Androstenone Signals dominance and aggression, quite competitive. -none is often associated with a sexual response, but by no means exclusively.
Androstenol Signals youth, and sociability, often induces lots of talking, friendliness and comfort. As it often seems to cause conversation, it can be a good ice breaker.
Androsterone Signals masculinity. It also creates an impression of reliability and protection (i.e. “this is the alpha male who can look after me”).
Beta Androstenol is much like anol however it induces deeper more connective feeling. Increases intimacy.
EST is primarily a female molecule however men can use it. Its not clear what effect it has for men using it but for women it increases affection, makes men more attentive and protective (for lack of a better word)
The rest of the putatives that you see beginning with T or P are test molecules. We test them and tell AD what effects are seen. The price is so high simply to restrict the use to the reporting users. You can become one by reporting on all the products you do own from here and then requesting reporting status from Steve or John.
If you look here it will explain everything for you more in depth.
No not really Ishine is primarily made from TAA but the steering mones have a lot to do with the effects you see with Ishine. TAA on its own has very little draw to it.
Yes I have used spaceland, I actually have quite a bit of it. One spray delivered 50 mcg’s of anol. You can almost get the same effect (in my experience) just doing that and using either TAF or P79 with it.
High levels of anol tend to zone people out almost like when your high. Your there but not quite all there.
mobocaster:
Hahaha! This is good to know! Thanks for the info! So it’s stronger but last not nearly as long, though. Gotcha. I’m also going to go and research more on this “layering” you are talking about. Sounds like good information to have under my belt. Hahahaha… so much to do… so little time…
Tisha:
Hey Tisha! Thanks for stopping by! Hahaha! I feel honored. (Not to take anything away from Mobocaster or the other fine Gentleman here! I love you guys too! ) Great information, too! That breakdown is very helpful. And AH! That’s what people mean when they refer to EST. Yes, I do believe I remember reading forums were guys raved about the effects of EST when combined with certain mixes (yes, I’ve been “around” a while ).
I guess what I meant about TAA is that it seems like a much more concentrated dose than instant shine so it seems to have a more dramatic effect. What happens when you OD on TAA or IS anyways? Can you push that one into the negative side? My curiosity has been pricked… what can I say?
Now from Gentleman’s fine breakdown, one thing it doesn’t look like I have anything comparable to is TAC. And I’ve heard people mention it from time to time. What’s the primary effect of that one/it make of?
Hehehe… I imagine so! Spaceland seemed to be quite popular back in the day. Ok… so since TAF (which I do hope to try when it’s not a $1000 as I’m curious how it would enhance my abilities to focus and write as an author) is pretty much “off-limits” to us average folk… P79 would be the thing to mix with 50mcg of anol. Like a 2 to 1 spray ratio? Or more? or less? I know. I know. Experiment, experiment. It’s different for everybody. shrugs Still, it never hurts to have a baseline to start from.
Sorry for all these questions. I’m just excited to finally have gotten around to registering and interacting with the community! Anybody have any wacky combinations or idea suggestions for me to try? I’m always open to suggestions. I think that if I do someday get the chance to “catch um all” and up my knowledge base I might have to start a wacky journal of crazy combinations and experiments. That might be fun…
But back to reality… I’m not sure how to end this post. I guess it doesn’t need any official ending but it feels incomplete without something dramatic or some sense of conclusion. Hmmmm… BINGO!
You can’t really overdose on it but what I and some others here find is that if you wear a high dose and top up a few times, you can end-up feeling a little drained/cranky with sometimes a light headache.
The suggestion is that you (&/or your subjects) can experience a temporary burn-up of neurotransmitters and that the precautions you need to offset this include a bit of resting, good food, back-off any alcohol for a while and instead have something like an electrolyte-replacing drink to help replenish your system.
Lol! Now Alpha A is out too… and I swear I just looked at it yesterday and it was in… sighs It figures! The pheromone gods have conspired against me! But I will prevail! …eventually…
But on the TAA note… Really? That’s pretty crazy! I wonder why it does that? Good to know, though. Excellent, in fact. Thanks for the warning Mobocaster! I’ll have to keep that in mind when using it.
What’s in that stuff?! The worlds next super drug! That must be amazing like none other?! O.o …
(I mean that in a good way, of course!)
It figures. Any suggestions? sighs