hmm is there a reason you’d do that?
If I had to guess, its because usually theres some social interactions first, before a woman is ready to get sexual
If thats the reason I kinda figure it doesnt matter in my case, Part of the effect I was looking to create was a sexual bang right from second 0, which I’m congruent with because I’ve done it many times before 
I wouldnt put on too much though, probably just one spray of TUTH, with the rest of the mix being A314b + IH + IS
Guys the best result that i have ever had in a bar was from 5 drops of A314 + 2 spray of Tuth
Its always been a winner and his a staple of mine.. I have tried ALOT of different one trying to make them work but nothing works like saying your the most masculine sexys guy there. NOTHING
Yup - Too much none too early can backfire on you. Especially with younger women - teens-mid 20s who are generally more responsive to a milder none/stronger social sig (mid 20s/30s-on can be very different!) Its the phero equivalent of getting your cock out. Not always appreciated! Socials/status pheros take on a far more vital role here in helping along the basket of feelings that make for full-on attraction.
Some none is good of course but I find it better to get going with a fun/social or social/status -heavy mix but as the closeness, trust and sexual interaction sets-in and escalates, then add/increase the none. That can get full-on sexual “lets get out of here” results very fast. Often minutes! 
If you have the sort of rock-solid game/congruence that can carry-off a strongly sexual mix from the outset then fine but I would say I’ve lost out more by using none too early rather than too late. IME, its a whole lot more than just getting them horny - get them attracted and comfortable with it, then horny and it hits like a train!
And Hillcat is right - A314/TUTH (or other overt none) in a sexually charged/lowered inhibition situation like a club or party is one of the best/most masculine/sexual mixes out there but IME, it works best with late 20s/30 somethings and above who are more attuned to an overt sexual sig and more comfortable with expressing their own sexuality and responses.
hmm I’m still puzzled as to why the younger crowd, say 18-25 in a club environment wouldnt be responding that well to -none?
I mean surely -none has basically the same effect on them, as for the late 20s/30s crowd
Are you saying that it boils down to the 20yo’s not being as sure of what to do with such a strong signal, but the 30yo’s being more mature are more able to feel comfortable with their own emotional reaction to it?
Or what, what is really going on here?
Yeah I guess I do have to kinda agree that usually it does work much better if things are not immediately sexual, but become sexual later on as you say. For example the Mystery Method
But I have also had women make out with me within 30 seconds of meeting me, and made out with women within 30 seconds of meeting them, and gone from meet to sex rather quickly, (5 minutes no joke, 30 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours) etc where they interaction started off being highly sexually charged right from the beginning
I’ve had immediate sexual connection, that lead straight to sex (that night) but yeah typically you dont do that
so i guess sometimes i might go for the immediate sexual hits, or sometimes do it the other way
hmm but i am curious as to what exactly is occuring with the -none with 18-25yo vs 30+, I cant say I “get it” yet
Nope - None tolerance/response changes with age - So a younger woman is very likely to be responsive to a much lower/more moderated dose than an older woman. This is why the socials play such an important role as promotors of other feelings or as none-moderators around the younger women. Which of course can be a bind because natural none production is highest in guys from our mid-teens to mid 20s! After that, it is downhill all the way unless you keep fit and healthy, eat well etc.
Hence it is so important to do your Sweet Spot testing - It establishes what doses work well with your own phero output and the people you interact with.
And yes, then the aspects of maturity, experience, comfort and sexual self-confidence play a part too.
There are exceptions of course and racial/social factors can also influence none response eg, Hispanic women tend to respond better to higher doses across the board.
Hey Mobo have you been adding P114 to your A314-Tuth combo cause i really like the P114 better than the P83 and what his your application point with the A314-tuth combo for P114 over the oil or other places.
hmm so you’re saying -none just hits younger women harder, i.e. less of a dose to get the same effect
So if I wore alot of -none the younger crowd might react as if I have overdosed on -none, whereas I might find a 35 year old woman becoming attracted to me?
Am I understanding this correctly?
Yes Hillcat - I’m liking it an awful lot too just now!
P114 is totally different to P83 in application IME - They don’t get disinhibited, instead, they are just so happy/eager to please you. 
Full details on dose/app are on the A314/P114 thread from the weekend.
You do not apply anything (incl colognes) over A314 oil tho - It screws-up the diffusion totally. Keep the alc-base and cologne applications away from it.
At its most basic, yes - although younger women can get a wider range of negative reactions to too much none compared to older - A lot will find it creepy/agressive/disturbing in a way an older woman wont.
And yes, you will find plenty of stories here of younger guys who have loaded-up on none, been ghosted by the girls they are interested in but got highly positive/innappropriate/unwanted hits from much older women. Its a steep learning curve!
Which is why I’d be happy to wear a a strong A314/TUTH mix to the sort of clubs frequented by thirtysomethings and up and do well with it but if I was going somewhere frequented by a younger crowd, I would wear something more socially engaging but with a less blatent sexual tone.
NOTE: Most advice you get from the pros are from the percentages. What I’m I saying here? There are EXCEPTIONS out there in restaurants, clubs and bars, boy and girls. I’ve seen it more than a handful of times … young girls in their teens/earliest of 20, showing this old man what a nice set of toilet grippers looks like bent over something. It could have been a coincidence, BUT … three looked back at me, and shared their MILLION DOLLAR smiles, so … 
YES, there ARE young ones who respond to BOSS -NONE, but you have to dig through the crowds and find out … WHICH ONES.
TESTING! TESTING! TESTING! You’ll find your answers in TESTING!
I’m gonna have to give that 5 drops of A314 and 2 shots of TUTH (5 or 10 mcgs total?) a go at it, if I ever click over to CLUB MODE in the near future. That mix seems like it could REALLY BE SOMETHING!
Sorry M&M but it IS SOMETHING tried tested and true and iam not the only one saying it.
For the mcg on the tuth is 2.5mcg x2 so 5 mcg total
lol TESTING
Yep i’m going to do alot of testing
I think I’ll just go A314b + TUTH + 2xIS + IH and see what happens
One spray of each, except I ordered the double strength IS
I dont really think the -none in a single A314b + TUTH spray would be too much, though infield testing is what would really tell
Like when I studied pickup (mm,rsd,pu101,deangelo,etc) it was pretty much infield practice that lead to me working out better and better ways of doing things and being
cant wait for these damn -mones to arrive lol
Iknow this his going to sound weird and some people might not agree but for me the A314b spray his not like the OIL
Do it!
Be highly congruent, alpha and studiously disinterested.
My record with this mix was six words before I got physical with someone:
Her - Where’s your wife tonight
Me - “No wife”
Lock eyes - Lips followed seconds later!
I use:
4-6 drops A314. 4 - if its UFE, 5 or 6 - Standard. Usual app points.
1 spray 2x TUTH, so 2 of normal strength or maybe one of normal for a younger guy.
IIRC, Rad originally advised just one spray of 2.5mcg TUTH to disturb the A314 vibe least but he’s in his 30s.
That’s good - two sprays of standard IS per spray of TUTH is a pretty good rule of thumb ratio to kick off with. I would also tend to advise 2 sprays of the IH as well but its up to you.
Nope - Although /b is similar dose to oil, the spray is harder hitting to begin with, although it will lose a lot of potency after 4-6 hrs in a hot humid club. I’ve no idea of the exact quantities but it has always been stated that the amount of none in standard A314 is very small, so I doubt it would be a problem in all but a very young guy.
Suggest you carry the A314 togo with you too and up the dose after two hours if you need - A314/TUTH is one of the mixes where going high on the A314 is advisable.
Mobo do you had P114 to your mixes now …
Mostly its just been A314 (various versions)/TUTH. All good but best results were with UFE and SBE.
Sometimes I’ve added P83, TAA or IS and found that made the basic mix a good bit more social and acceptable to younger women (P83/SBE and a cigarette’s worth of chat had a twentysomething march me to her flat for quick sex then back to the club where she rejoined her date!) but because of the trouble I’ve had with my foot on and off all year I’ve mainly concentrated on P114 in social/status mixes and only started incorporating it in sexuals in the last few weeks. Results of which have blown me away!
nice record mobocaster
hmm I dont know I was just thinking of having one spray of A314b, TUTH, IH and a spray of double strength Instant Shine
As I’ve ordered all ToGo versions to try them out, I could have some in the pocket
I basically expect to go to the club, and bring a chick back to mine or go to hers, and seal the deal
So I’m thinking she certainly needs to be highly sexually attracted to me, plus all those other things women need before they’ll do it
hmm
I guess at like 2am alot of guys are leaving with girls, if I get there are 10pm, then I’d probably have applied the mones after finishing my shower around 9pm
Thats 5 hours, so yeah I might need to re-apply some things
hmm it would be great if there was something that increased the womans sexual attraction to me, without risking OD like with the -none, so I could just apply more and more of it and she gets more and more turned on, hopefully into a quivering mess where she says “take me now”
lol
I’m 26 btw
Putative p83: ““It makes women want to drop their pants 80% of the time. If I had to describe it in one sentence.”
Written by: sofearnot”
Perhaps something like that
hillcat - yeah I’ve read the A314b is abit different than the oil, mainly in the diffusion and speed of diffusion (oil vs alcohol) as mobocaster says
mobocaster - regarding the IH I dunno I dont want her to be too bonded to me, im not currently looking for a huge real bond
I’ll post up a report after I use them, particularly if it goes well
As well as the mix I plan for the night, I always have a cigarette tin with a few other togos on me, so I can make adjustments/topups as the night goes-on. TUTH and IS are permanent residents. Remember IS is only active for @3hrs wheras most other alc-base mones last 4-6
I don’t do the 2am shag-blag. I’ve either hooked-up well before then or I’ll write the night-off and just have a fun social time (more IS ). Good way to meet people who may be more favourable or open doors for next time. Being part of the crowd of betas and omegas crowding/battling for the remaining untaken mingers with their “lets go party” (aye!) thing is in no way attractive! Most of the best results from this mix have been early-on.
There is - Its the socials. Do not belittle their role in promoting full-on attraction.
P83 - Its useful but its not the miracle that some make it out to be. There are plenty good and unrestricted alternatives and you won’t get the best out of putatives till you have a solid handle on the Instant Line/consumer range first.
IH - The bonding thing can help with that quick connection too.