He does much better with Est and copulins - but still needs more of a push. P83 or P80 give him that forward momentum. I’m out of copulins right now and I see a huge difference in his responses, not for the better.
So does Androstenone, but this is hit or miss, since he’s so sensitive to it and can get easily irritated with it. I have to use this in extremely minute quantities.
Diane
Diane, when you mean -push, do you mean as in he’s so slow? doesn’t react to it as blatant?..etc
haha…
No, I mean that he is too distracted to be interested in sex very much. By push, I mean getting him on the right track.
Est makes him a total cuddle-bunny, but by itself it doesn’t stimulate sexual urges or desires. He’s just as contented cuddling as anything else, and with too much Est, cuddling is what he wants to do, and that is all. If I didn’t enjoy sex so much, I could always slather on a bunch of Est and nothing else, and we’d be a totally contented couple.
Copulins, P80, P83, Androstenone… those get a guy’s blood running hotter, so he is more likely to get with it.
If I initiate sexual encounters it is fine, but ideally, I’d like him to be more aggressive in that department, and initiating more often. Hence, the PUSH in that direction.
Is that clearer?
Diane
AHHHHH I would faint LOL
Ah ok! Yep, it’s crystal clear now!
Yeah, I’m tearing my hair out! Hindsight, I shoulda stocked up on EOW when they had the good formula. I really miss it.
Diane
Thanks! I never knew that. I guess Im with Sugar! Time to get to work! lol
Talking about cops and eow, sigh I’m out of pure cops too (the new eow I have doesn’t count! gave it away to my friend, hey she likes subtle hits)
I’m so hungry…for cops sigh hopefully I’ll be fed before valentines day!!! 
—> just realized…hope it didn’t sound wrong LOL!!
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No, I mean that he is too distracted to be interested in sex very much. By push, I mean getting him on the right track.
Est makes him a total cuddle-bunny, but by itself it doesn’t stimulate sexual urges or desires. He’s just as contented cuddling as anything else, and with too much Est , cuddling is what he wants to do, and that is all. If I didn’t enjoy sex so much, I could always slather on a bunch of Est and nothing else, and we’d be a totally contented couple.
Copulins, P80 , P83 , Androstenone … those get a guy’s blood running hotter, so he is more likely to get with it.
If I initiate sexual encounters it is fine, but ideally, I’d like him to be more aggressive in that department, and initiating more often. Hence, the PUSH in that direction.
Is that clearer?
Diane*
Diane thanks for the reports as always.
I’m not sure you’ve tested it much but what do you think AndrosteRone adds to intimate encounters? Have you tried adding in a high AndrosteRone product like Instant Gentleman ? Or do you think AndrosteRone brings with it an excessively male vibe on a woman (without buffering it withAndrosteNone )? Do you think AndrosteRone is too ‘white hat’ (as opposed to AndrosteNone being more of a ‘black hat’/bad ass signal) without sufficient buffering?
No rush but when you have the time, would be interested in your thoughts (and Tisha’s as well) on comparing the effects of combos of the various masculine notes with AndrosteRone:
P80 + AndrosteRone
P83 + AndrosteRone
P79 + AndrosteRone
P93 + AndrosteRone
A minute amount of AndrosteNone + AndrosteRone
I know your asking Diane but I will add my 2 cents.
I use arone in one of my alpha mixes. Its not sexual on a women at all. In fact it has a distance effect when I use it. People… men and especially women steer clear of me. I use this mix when I am in no mood to be bothered. Even my hubby and kids behave LOL
Di how about you ??
Tisha
Hey Selva…girl have I missed you!
Yes, I was sooo happy to see EST…was starting to think I would never be able to experience what so many have raved so much about…when I saw it I snatched up three…that was about 5 days ago…my order arrived yesterday and wore me some today…Yeah!
Reps to you just cause we are soooo happy EST is here
Djacquelyn 
hi-5 I missed you alot too
I know! I felt the exact same way too, and I’m so glad it’s back and shipped to me 
Glad to see that you’re doing well too!
You know, I want to thank you for this. I have Androsterone and I’ve been thinking about trying it. But I hadn’t seen anything on the forums that suggested it upped a guy’s sexual drive any. What do you think it might add to my mixes? I know that I love it on HIM when he wears it.
Diane
I have a full To Go bottle of it, but I haven’t tried it yet for myself.
Diane
damnit women… i wanted to get myself some est… lol… idk know y… but now i cant 
now iv got to wait
oppose to the men around u fainting when u have it tish? 
bond
yay! you are back ive been kinda on and off for awhile also but glad to see ya back!!
and yes, ive stocked up on 50mcg EST! super excited to get it i really really hope it comes before my bday party this friday
<3
Our one word, Clotaire Rapaille inspired, archetypical “code word” for estratetraenol is “womb”.
Mind you, this is with a little bit of insider knowledge about it’s chemistry and the parts of the body that make it. We think “womb” is very congruent everything we know about it. It’s really a beautiful feeling molecule.
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You know, I want to thank you for this. I have Androsterone and I’ve been thinking about trying it. But I hadn’t seen anything on the forums that suggested it upped a guy’s sexual drive any. What do you think it might add to my mixes? I know that I love it on HIM when he wears it.
Diane
Thanks for the responses Tisha and Diane.
I think AndrosteRone definitely does up a guy’s sex drive (definitely does for me when I’m wearing it) though in a more ‘slow burning’ less rough ‘right now’ way than AndrostEnone . Tacitus did like using it in his sexmixes (see below). When I was using AndrosteRone without any AndrostEnone I did find that I was missing something. Like tacitus said, a bit of AndrostEnone was necessary to add on to ‘stomp on the gas’ so as to avoid a lack of passion and a ‘mating with a provider/friend’ vibe…
Now I would be interested in your experiments with this molecule (AndrosteRone) minus any AndrostEnone and instead focusing on putatives that may aid things in the bedroom… You could try different dosages of AndrostErone to see what the differences are in effects and what an AndrosteRone OD "Pharmacodynamics - Wikipedia feels like in the bedroom
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tacitus (May 6, 2007):
“Eyup… most of my sexmix combos have a strong base of Androsterone… Androsterone has made for some freaking mind warpingly good sex… Alpha Androstenol has also been a fine constant, where beta- Androstenol can make things too “heady”… I like a pinch of None, but not too much, you need just enought to stomp on the gas, -Androstadienone has proven its worth too, EST will really deepen the communication aspects, P74 is excellent in this direction as well, while P79 , P83 , P90 , P93 all add some deep bodymind animal notes, a smidge of TAH will bring out the colors, so to speak, and P86 has been one of the great sleeper surprises, it is more of an integrator, although there is a real P86 quality boost of “it all comes together at the right moment”… P80 WILL put a heavy umph behind the whole deal, but use VERY sparingly, or they will feel like they are mating with a Cape Buffalo…”
im not sure about anyone else here’s experience,
but if im sniffing 'none , im thinking “badboy” and expect him to be the aggressor.
he feels like the agressor and acts on it.
if im sniffing 'rone, im thinking the hotness of a gentleman, i am definatley the aggressor and want to be the bad one,
he feels higher value ( my lab-rat past )
I am super excited, I just ordered a sample, then turned around and saw tha there were full size bottles of EST available too so I order a full bottle as well. I have been wanting this one since last year so yay!!! Happy New Year to me!!! Will report as soon as I get it and test this baby out