So im really now waiting for the formula that’ll really increase these percentages. The first year or two of using these products, i had alot of “wow” moments,…most were very arousing in those moments of exposure, but subsequently underwhelming with alot of flakey responses upon follow-up, especially with Androstenone bases.
Then again, in my 1st 6 months, amazing responses and follow up from IFM/IS mixes. Now i’m in my 3rd year of use,and i am finding it quite hard to get any amazing results…though i still find the standard products to be more effective than most MX’s. I dont get much from 292 like others do. 302 was a bust as well. 203 - blah. 149 and 150 really were incredible though. Old-scented AMMO garnered me more hits than any other, Game scented? strangely nothing. A314 can still do the trick however. But my overall benefits from these products have been a case of diminishing returns the longer i use them.
in the early days, old-scented AMMO would do half the job for me, definately alot more than the stated 10 percent and sometimes up to 50 percent. Now? dunno mate, i seem to get just as decent responses without the products. Has my body adapted, optimised its own natural pheromone levels after a few years of synthetic use?
i still see beautiful women all day who still dont want to be approached no matter what competent mix im wearing. I still go to bars and at the end of the night, they r still choosing the jocks, the mones arent levelling the playing field in year 3 for me the way they were in year 1. anyone else experineced this so-called “law of diminishing returns” as a result of long-term use and body adaptation, desensitisation to the pheromones?
Many users, myself included, loose all self-effects after regular use. So perhaps your early use was “inspired” by the self-effects. I know the crazy shit I got myself into was. The target effects are still there but you have to work harder to “mine” them without self-effects. But honestly, mones have only ever given me an edge up. The normal social order and freewill was still intact with mones. Most of my success was always up to me.
I currently only use mones for professional enhancement and bored of picking women, save occasional “catch & release.” Besides, the GF gets angry when I bring strange women home.
I believe that pheromones used to compensate for something you are lacking, allow you eventually begin to master that skill. It no longer WOWs you because its something you have trained yourself to do naturally.
I think that Data4 said it best:
I think there is a danger in pheromone use in that people may rely too much on the pheromones being the reason they’re able to positively interact with people, and thus become hooked. Of course, with respect to Androtics’ business, I would certainly hope people continue to buy. I know I will. Still, I would also hope that folks here who use mones as compensation for a lack of interpersonal relations skills would take advantage of that new confidence , esteem, and sense of power over their destiny that the pheromones have allowed them to feel and integrate it into the “whole person”, rather than let it live as a chemical compound in a spray bottle.
I don’t understand why MX149, MX150, MX102-MX105 etc. cannot be remade inspite of several user requests. Aren’t they all A314 variants? Which common constituent is not available anymore? Even the most elusive putative P96 was back for a while. Is it A1 (can’t be, as MX149, MX150 were scented with Akuto and A1 products are supposed to be unscented)? Or is it copulins?
A314 is still being made. Why not the simpler, and supposedly easier to make, alcohol based A314 variants? Very perplexing. My thought is that lack of copulins is causing these good products to not be reproduced.
Mahalo: How were your reactions to IFM/IS? Do you still have some IFM left to try now, or maybe you can get some A1 from LS and try with IS.
I am sure our body goes through changes as well and our pheromone production changes, either due to phero use or due to changes in our age, health, diet etc. Also what we considered IOI back when we first started is just background noise now, i.e. we notice less and we pursue less actively.
Maybe someone needs to get a poll going, its worked in the past. I don’t have any experience with any of those mixes so I wouldn’t know which one to vote for but maybe some of the phero gurus who’ve tried them out can get a winner put back into stock.
I do vaguely recall reading a post, I think in regards to the Chemical Romance mixes, where it was said the formula had been lost. That might account for some of the other older MX’s too.
As new Putatives get tested and reported on, I wonder if there’s a constant urge to keep trying to improve existing MX’s. I know if I kept seeing things that might add value to an existing product, I’d keep tweaking and testing rather than just re-producing the old stuff over and over… but then I’m a perfectionist
The flip side of that is that sometimes the simple things are the best…
I tend to think of it like this. If I go out wearing just None I might have 10 available targets in a room who will respond and to whom my sig will be enhanced. With None and Nol that might jump to 20, but the heavy impact of the None that so impressed the original 10 will be reduced somewhat.
With None, Nol, A1, P75, P83, P86, Meo-Est all 100 girls in the room open up to me, but I don’t get that double barrel shotgun effect on the original None 10… I’m still enhanced to them, but the obvious effects of that one thing they were looking to respond to will be minimised.
The more refined the product is, the greater your range is and the more options you have. So you get a shot at genuinely impressing the really Hot, amazing girl at the bar, not just the Horny Drunk plain girl with her boobs hanging out looking for a ONS
I love your way of looking at it! Catlord’s mixes definitely fall into that 100 girl category. They are incredibly complex in how they interact with people on many different levels.
I agree. And I’m amazed at their reliability in certain circumstances. The measure of effectiveness with pheromones is meant to be consistency and repeatability with responses - I certainly get those with Catlord’s stuff, especially 331 and 333…
Come to think on it, I really haven’t done very much with MX331. I really like MX333 but I’ve been saving it for a special occasion. Now that I’ve got a girlfriend again I’ll have to ‘invent’ a special occasion to test this on her.
"As far as effects on yourself and people you see all the time go, you usually need to mix things up for feelings of “elation”. For meat & potatoe effects, though (like the authority raising effects of A314 ), you’ll get to get those over and over.
It’s only the “pheromone euphoria” that’s tough to chase. Our brainw always like to reorganize their own neurology so that we’re not having too much fun when we’re not doing anything new.
Put another way: The brain only likes to gives us over the top feelings, when we reward it with newness (new pheromone mixes, new places to see, new women, new food, whatever).
